News conference starting soon....

https://www.c-span.org/video/?467261-1/house-democrats-news-conference-impeachment-inquiry&live

It's almost if Republicans are afraid to win.

No doubt.

RGLAG85 said:

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Unfortunately the Senate is just going to dismiss it on grounds of lack of evidence and not hold a trial. It's frustrating to think that they have no desire to shine a light on this sham. So many need to account for their, at best, misdeeds and at worst, their corruption and treasonous sedition. No one will be held accountable from the left and it will only embolden them to try again.

Tin foil hat here. I'm afraid a deal has already been struck here, the house will impeach to placate their base then the Senate will just dismiss thinking it will make their base happy with minimal damage. Then they'll all go have cocktails together.

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I think that you are right.

To be honest, I am almost OK with this. I would rather the Senate go nuclear on all of this corruption, and the GOP to expel it's own corrupt members. Clean house, get your ship right. Unfortunately, that was never going to happen, and it is lunacy to expect anything of the sort from the DC cesspool.

The reality is, the GOP has 2020 locked up as of now. Not only the white house and the senate, but the House is starting to look pretty good as well. One thing that could derail that would be Trump stomping on his own junk while testifying at trial. He will not be good on the stand. His bravado is bigger than his sensibilities. The GOP does not want him to testify, and with good reason.

I think that the best we can hope for is a strong statement on why the Senate never even takes up the trial. They could point out that the House never even explored whether or not an investigation into Burisama was a legitimate part of the President's job to root out corruption. Since the House started with the assumption that the request for an investigation was all about personal gain, without providing any evidence of that assumption, the House does not have any support for their allegations. When paired with the ample testimony of people saying that the President did nothing wrong, or committed no high crimes or misdemeanors, there is no reason to hold a trial, and everyone should get back to business.

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Rapier108 said:

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This isn't just weak sauce, this is weaker than distilled water.

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Democrats plan to announce two articles of impeachment abuse of power and obstruction of Congress against President Donald Trump on Tuesday, multiple sources told NBC News on Monday night.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/democrats-introduce-articles-impeachment-against-trump-tuesday-n1098781

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The write-up is expected Wed or Thurs. The GOP needs to announce they will take up the hearings in the Senate, and provide the list of witnesses they will Subpoena.

Schiff
Schiff staff worker that helped WB
Berka
Whistle blower
6 people the WB relied on
All the same cast that Schiff put on
Joe Biden
Hunter Biden
John Kerry's step son
Goldman - He needs to testify on who gave up the phone numbers

Let the Dems know the Trial will go forward if Articles of Impeachment are delivered to them.

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Unfortunately the Senate is just going to dismiss it on grounds of lack of evidence and not hold a trial. It's frustrating to think that they have no desire to shine a light on this sham. So many need to account for their, at best, misdeeds and at worst, their corruption and treasonous sedition. No one will be held accountable from the left and it will only embolden them to try again.

Tin foil hat here. I'm afraid a deal has already been struck here, the house will impeach to placate their base then the Senate will just dismiss thinking it will make their base happy with minimal damage. Then they'll all go have cocktails together.

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The Senate needs to have a trial to refute all of this. If there is no trial, it's going to be a year's worth of the Democrats and the Press telling America that Trump is going to steal "another" election from outside interference. This is the Dems strategy to keep their narrative going that Trump is somehow an illegitimate President. The Senate needs to put an end to this through a trial, or you know what we will be hearing from Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler and all other lunatic lefties for the next 11 months.

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RGLAG85 said:

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Unfortunately the Senate is just going to dismiss it on grounds of lack of evidence and not hold a trial. It's frustrating to think that they have no desire to shine a light on this sham. So many need to account for their, at best, misdeeds and at worst, their corruption and treasonous sedition. No one will be held accountable from the left and it will only embolden them to try again.

Tin foil hat here. I'm afraid a deal has already been struck here, the house will impeach to placate their base then the Senate will just dismiss thinking it will make their base happy with minimal damage. Then they'll all go have cocktails together.

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I think that you are right.

To be honest, I am almost OK with this. I would rather the Senate go nuclear on all of this corruption, and the GOP to expel it's own corrupt members. Clean house, get your ship right. Unfortunately, that was never going to happen, and it is lunacy to expect anything of the sort from the DC cesspool.

The reality is, the GOP has 2020 locked up as of now. Not only the white house and the senate, but the House is starting to look pretty good as well. One thing that could derail that would be Trump stomping on his own junk while testifying at trial. He will not be good on the stand. His bravado is bigger than his sensibilities. The GOP does not want him to testify, and with good reason.

I think that the best we can hope for is a strong statement on why the Senate never even takes up the trial. They could point out that the House never even explored whether or not an investigation into Burisama was a legitimate part of the President's job to root out corruption. Since the House started with the assumption that the request for an investigation was all about personal gain, without providing any evidence of that assumption, the House does not have any support for their allegations. When paired with the ample testimony of people saying that the President did nothing wrong, or committed no high crimes or misdemeanors, there is no reason to hold a trial, and everyone should get back to business.

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Trump would never be called to the stand. He doesn't have to prove his innocence. The Senate trial would be for nothing else but to punch holes in the Dems narrative and hopefully shine light on corruption.

Would it be possible to get Obama on the stand to testify about Biden's activities during that time? Would be awesome to get that lying sack under oath.

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.....but really, TexAgs should add a feature where certain phrases, from either side, are deleted once they've been used ad nauseam.

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Eh...

I think that could be interpreted as TA editing content, risking being designated a publisher and responsible for said content.

Possible that could change TA as a forum.

My opinion...

Gary Johnson said:

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Some of you guys are living in a Fox news fantasy bubble. Trump is guilty as hell which is why he's blocking testimony and documents. If this was just a big misunderstanding they could have easily ended this all weeks ago and embarrassed the dems in the process.

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So he is going to found guilty?

The ******* loons have come out to play.

Markets are unaffected by the articles of impeachment. Wall St gets it.

Gary Johnson said:

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Some of you guys are living in a Fox news fantasy bubble. Trump is guilty as hell which is why he's blocking testimony and documents. If this was just a big misunderstanding they could have easily ended this all weeks ago and embarrassed the dems in the process.

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Everyone knows that if you don't give testimony/evidence without a legal warrant, obviously its because of guilt. Anti-American garbage take.

Gary Johnson said:

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Some of you guys are living in a Fox news fantasy bubble. Trump is guilty as hell which is why he's blocking testimony and documents. If this was just a big misunderstanding they could have easily ended this all weeks ago and embarrassed the dems in the process.

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If he was REALLY guilty, the Democrats would have subpoenaed(with a real subpoena). Then the President would have invoked Executive Privilege, and then the Democrats would have gone to the SC to get a ruling.

Why did they not do this? IF you are 100% convinced that someone is guilty wouldn't you exhaust EVERY angle to get that conviction? Instead of just making up laws that someone broke(bribery, extortion) and then not even attempt to state those crimes?

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Gary Johnson said:

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Some of you guys are living in a Fox news fantasy bubble. Trump is guilty as hell which is why he's blocking testimony and documents. If this was just a big misunderstanding they could have easily ended this all weeks ago and embarrassed the dems in the process.

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I don't think I've seen a poster more broken by Trump than this one. Wow.

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Gary Johnson said:

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Some of you guys are living in a Fox news fantasy bubble. Trump is guilty as hell which is why he's blocking testimony and documents. If this was just a big misunderstanding they could have easily ended this all weeks ago and embarrassed the dems in the process.

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Everyone knows that if you don't give testimony/evidence without a legal warrant, obviously its because of guilt. Anti-American garbage take.

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I sat on a felony jury where the defendant testified. No way would I ever take the stand after watching that. Perjury traps would be abundant if Trump were to testify and then he'd be in the same boat as slick Willie was then.

Gary Johnson said:

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Some of you guys are living in a Fox news fantasy bubble. Trump is guilty as hell which is why he's blocking testimony and documents. If this was just a big misunderstanding they could have easily ended this all weeks ago and embarrassed the dems in the process.

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Did you watch any of the hearings or did you just read CNN and Twitter?

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Cue the idiots in the media saying that Gaetz is advocating for violence against members of Congress.

Faux Libertarian Fox News is vehemently ant Trump. There is no Fox news bubble.

It's 10:25 AM on December 10, 2019 and Donald J. Trump is STILL your POTUS!

As usual, Andy McCarthy gets right to the point.

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Here is what you need to understand the House Judiciary Committee's impeachment hearings on Monday: According to Democrats, any investigation of possible Democratic corruption, or of Democratic collusion with foreign officials to interfere in our elections, is itself impeachable interference in our elections.

Seriously.

Numerous problems mar the impeachment process not least the rush to judgment. Democrats have been rushing congressional proceedings until they catch up with the judgment that the president must be impeached, a judgment House Democrats have already drawn. The haste rubs many Americans the wrong way.

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The public wonders: What's the rush? After all, Democrats apparently didn't think the "crisis" was so dire that their Thanksgiving holiday should be postponed. In 11 months, the American people will be able to boot President Trump from office if they believe he is unfit. So why should the political class be permitted to pre-empt voters?


Finally, Democrats have come up with an answer: Trump must be removed, because he is bent on colluding with foreign powers to interfere in our elections; he will do it "again" if he isn't stripped of power.

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LINK

Looks like they are finally sensing the boomerang effect this sham is destined to have on them:

I can't stand your school but I love you Ellis.

Gary Johnson said:

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Some of you guys are living in a Fox news fantasy bubble. Trump is guilty as hell which is why he's blocking testimony and documents. If this was just a big misunderstanding they could have easily ended this all weeks ago and embarrassed the dems in the process.

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You live in a haze, Gary Johnson.