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It didn't happen. None of it did.

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Nobody thinks this not even you.

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I think it.

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Trump asked Zelensky to investigate a political rival, it's on the call. You don't think this happened?

I assume you'll say yeah he did, but it wasn't wrong but you have to admit it's at least questionable. There's hyperbole on both sides but "nothing happened" isn't really defensible if you're being honest.

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Zelinsky brought up Biden and there was no threat of withholding aid. The favor Trump asked for related to 2016 election meddling that had been reported in Politico. Again, no threat of withholding aid involved

Zelensky didn't bring up Biden.

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Zelensky didn't bring up Biden.

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No, Biden brought up Biden.

So, I'm assuming nothing new has happened in the last week or so.

When does the senate trial start?

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If you sit real quietly you can hear the Libs screaming all across this great land ....

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"Be advised that Messrs. Parnas and Fruman assisted Mr. Giuliani in connection with his representation of President Trump." -- John Dowd, the attny representing Fruman

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"They (Parnas and Fruman) also assisted Joseph DiGenova and Victoria Toensing in their law practice." -- John Dowd

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Own goals are always appreciated.

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"Be advised that Messrs. Parnas and Fruman assisted Mr. Giuliani in connection with his representation of President Trump." -- John Dowd, the attny representing Fruman

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"They (Parnas and Fruman) also assisted Joseph DiGenova and Victoria Toensing in their law practice." -- John Dowd

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Own goals are always appreciated.

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You must be thrilled. Senate removal just went from 0.0% to 0.0%.

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"Be advised that Messrs. Parnas and Fruman assisted Mr. Giuliani in connection with his representation of President Trump." -- John Dowd, the attny representing Fruman

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"They (Parnas and Fruman) also assisted Joseph DiGenova and Victoria Toensing in their law practice." -- John Dowd

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Own goals are always appreciated.

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So?

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unhinged

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Nonsense

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Draft Mark Levin!

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It would be smarter strategy for the Radical Extremist Far-Right to choose someone less unhinged than Levin to be their spokesperson.

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Who are these radical extremist far-right? Sounds like you're balls deep and helplessly drowning in liberal propaganda. T&P for your brainwashing. Sad

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Levin is a brilliant Constitutionalist. To dismiss him otherwise shows exactly what you are: a Marxist pig.

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Right, those that prescribe to a document written by classical liberals are now considered "far right extremist". American leftists really are delusional and hopelessly misinformed.

Here's a hint: ANYONE willing to defend Trump is a "far right extremist" to Metolius

They are uneducated and brainwashed purposely so.

Strong evidence there was no Sep 9 call, only the Sep 7 call.

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On the other hand, the White House informing Sondland that it "cannot locate" a record of the September 9th call makes perfect sense if in fact no call occurred at all between Sondland and Trump on September 9th.


Mr. Morrison testified at his deposition that Ambassador Sondland proposed that it might be sufficient for the Ukrainian Prosecutor General to commit to pursue the investigation, as opposed to President Zelenskyy.
(This was not good enough or acceptable to Trump)

President said there was not a quid pro quo, but he further stated that President Zelenskyy should want to go to the microphone and announce personally so it wouldn't be enough for the Prosecutor General, he wanted to announce personally, Zelenskyy personally, that he would open the investigations.

this conversation concluded with President Zelenskyy agreeing to make a public statement in an interview on CNN.

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https://www.justsecurity.org/67536/heres-the-proof-that-trumps-no-quid-pro-quo-call-never-happened/

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Strong evidence there was no Sep 9 call, only the Sep 7 call.

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On the other hand, the White House informing Sondland that it "cannot locate" a record of the September 9th call makes perfect sense if in fact no call occurred at all between Sondland and Trump on September 9th.


Mr. Morrison testified at his deposition that Ambassador Sondland proposed that it might be sufficient for the Ukrainian Prosecutor General to commit to pursue the investigation, as opposed to President Zelenskyy.
(This was not good enough or acceptable to Trump)

President said there was not a quid pro quo, but he further stated that President Zelenskyy should want to go to the microphone and announce personally so it wouldn't be enough for the Prosecutor General, he wanted to announce personally, Zelenskyy personally, that he would open the investigations.

this conversation concluded with President Zelenskyy agreeing to make a public statement in an interview on CNN.

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https://www.justsecurity.org/67536/heres-the-proof-that-trumps-no-quid-pro-quo-call-never-happened/

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So now you're quoting stuff that is literally made up?

The Illegal Liberal Coup Conspiracy continues - will conservatives sit back and watch a legally elected President be overthrown in this manner?

I pray to God the answer is NO!

Never heard of that site but this has been challenged and CNN says they knew nothing about it. Unless something has changed cnn did lot back That reporting

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this conversation concluded with President Zelenskyy agreeing to make a public statement in an interview on CNN."

That's not a biased site. They are Blow Job Ford believers.

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Never heard of that site but this has been challenged and CNN says they knew nothing about it. Unless something has changed cnn did lot back That reporting

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this conversation concluded with President Zelenskyy agreeing to make a public statement in an interview on CNN."

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Nah. Trump's team was proof reading the script until they got caught. Bolton resigned. Aid was released, all in a 4 day span. Zelensky cancelled the announcement

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-fareed-zakaria-ukraine-aid/index.html

You missed this part

"He added that he had no idea that Zelensky had planned to announce Ukraine's investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter. Asked for his reaction when he found out that Zelensky's announcement would have been on his show, Zakaria replied, "You win some, you lose some. I would have loved to have it. He's a fascinating guy. I still would love to have an interview with him one of these days.""


CNN didn't know and never confirmed the NYT story. Which happens to exactly what I said. Thanks for confirming what I posted.

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Define clean not sure I ever said that with regard to H Biden accepting the pairing. Bad decision.

Nothing illegal has even been alleged though.

Joe Biden is definitely clean for firing Shokin.

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You still lying about Shokin not investigating Burisma, despite his testimony under oath to the contrary. Pathetic.

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Shokin didn't investigate Burisma. That's why he got fired. You could probably make more than one Ruble per post spreading propaganda for the GRU, especially if only downs patients are susceptible. But that's between you and your employers.

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Hunter Biden got paid millions of rubles by a corrupt energy country. How much money did Trump get from this "extortion/bribery" scheme?

Chance Chase McMasters said:

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Define clean not sure I ever said that with regard to H Biden accepting the pairing. Bad decision.

Nothing illegal has even been alleged though.

Joe Biden is definitely clean for firing Shokin.

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You still lying about Shokin not investigating Burisma, despite his testimony under oath to the contrary. Pathetic.

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Shokin didn't investigate Burisma. That's why he got fired. You could probably make more than one Ruble per post spreading propaganda for the GRU, especially if only downs patients are susceptible. But that's between you and your employers.

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This is a verifiable lie.

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still lying about Shokin not investigating Burisma, despite his testimony under oath to the contrary. Pathetic.

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While prosecutor, Shokin did not publicly mention Burisma once, he helped stonewall at least one investigation into it, and was covering up bribes to his office. His deputy quit because he was corrupt and corroborates nothing was happening.

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-deputy-prosecutor-says-no-dirty-foreign-assets-recovered-by-predecessors/30221192.html

This so called "affidavit" was produced 4 years later under the employ of a criminal billionaire(Firtash) with ties to the Russian mob fighting extradition, thinking that Giuliani could help him with it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-23/giuliani-says-biden-documents-to-be-released-if-i-disappear

Senator Roger Wicker(R-WI) says Firtash is an agent of the Kremlin.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1013661

So no. I don't believe what Shokin says he did 4 years later. He wasn't doing anything. And Giuliani's team wasn't just looking for dirt, when they hit dead ends they would create it.

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still lying about Shokin not investigating Burisma, despite his testimony under oath to the contrary. Pathetic.

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While prosecutor, Shokin did not publicly mention Burisma once, he helped stonewall at least one investigation into it, and was covering up bribes to his office. His deputy quit because he was corrupt and corroborates nothing was happening.

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-deputy-prosecutor-says-no-dirty-foreign-assets-recovered-by-predecessors/30221192.html

This so called "affidavit" was produced 4 years later under the employ of a criminal billionaire(Firtash) with ties to the Russian mob fighting extradition, thinking that Giuliani could help him with it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-23/giuliani-says-biden-documents-to-be-released-if-i-disappear

Senator Roger Wicker(R-WI) says Firtash is an agent of the Kremlin.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1013661

So no. I don't believe what Shokin says he did 4 years later. He wasn't doing anything. And Giuliani's team wasn't just looking for dirt, when they hit dead ends they would create it.

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SIAP
But seems Solomon has documentation countering the stance that Shokin wasn't investigating the corruption at Burisma.

Newly Obtained Documents from Burisma's Legal Team, State Dept and Ukrainian Government Torpedo Joe Biden's Story

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Sevruk memorialized the meeting in a government memo that the general prosecutor's office provided to me, stating that the three Americans offered an apology for the "false" narrative that had been provided by U.S. officials about Shokin being corrupt and inept.
"They realized that the information disseminated in the U.S. was incorrect and that they would facilitate my visit to the U.S. for the purpose of delivering the true information to the State Department management," the memo stated.
The memo also quoted the Americans as saying they knew Shokin pursued an aggressive corruption investigation against Burisma's owner, only to be thwarted by British allies: "These individuals noted that they had been aware that the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine had implemented all required steps for prosecution and that he was released by the British court due to the underperformance of the British law enforcement agencies."

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This "Undated memo" doesn't even say what Solomon implies it says. The state department was putting pressure in September before J Biden ever got involved.

You'd have to believe that an entire continent subverted their own interests, withheld billions, to protect a board membership paying thousands to a politician's son. Inconceivable.

Shokin never mentioned Burisma once while PG.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/trump-whistleblower-scandal-explained-from-ukraine.html

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This "Undated memo" doesn't even say what Solomon implies it says. The state department was putting pressure in September before J Biden ever got involved.

You'd have to believe that an entire continent subverted their own interests, withheld billions, to protect a board membership paying thousands to a politician's son. Inconceivable.

Shokin never mentioned Burisma once while PG.

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/trump-whistleblower-scandal-explained-from-ukraine.html

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I don't believe what Shokin says he did 4 years later. He wasn't doing anything.

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The memo quoted the Americans saying

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they knew Shokin pursued an aggressive corruption investigation against Burisma's owner, only to be thwarted by British allies

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