I'm sorry - where does it even accuse Kavanaugh of raping anybody?
Brett Kavanaugh rape allegations
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If Brett Kavanaugh is not confirmed as a Supreme Court Justice, he should sue Ford, Avenatti, Ramirez et al for slander and ask for damages equivalent to the lifetime earnings of a Supreme Court Justice plus a significant amount to cover loss of reputation.
I'll donate to his legal fund.
I'll donate to his legal fund.
People of integrity expect to be believed, when they're not, they let time prove them right.
Probabably a little to early but at what point does Kav lawyer up and start suing for libel and slander?
This is not going to let up.
This is not going to let up.
BallerStaf2003 said:
None of us have hard evidence. None of us. And we probably won't. So then what?
We have a criminal justice system for a reason. Society has to assume innocence in the absence of evidence. This is basic American civics. None of us know, these women waited 35 years. COME FORWARD IMMEDIATELY IF YOU ARE ASSAULTED OR THEN THESE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO BUT EMPATHIZE!
Except she changed her story and even her close friend says she has no idea what the hell she is talking about.
My point wasn't that you could prove these. In fact, it was the opposite. I don't think they can be proven. I was simply saying that the idea that you don't care what someone did in high school at all is ridiculous and shouldn't be the argument here.NonReg85 said:Well if you could prove murder or these silly accusations; you would actually have a point. A murder accusation against Kav would be just as unbelievable as all of these loony women.Mabel Choate said:That's bull. You wouldn't nominate a guy who murdered someone at 17 and got away with it. There is totally a line where you should have to pay the price for bad things you did when you were young. The question is, can you prove it?Alta said:
Nobody has a flawless or perfect record. I don't really care what he did in high school when he was 17. He seems like as an adult he has pretty good judgement.
BallerStaf2003 said:
I think the hardliners on this thread that say this all has to be made up are dismissing how difficult it was in the 80's and 90's for a woman to speak out about rape.
Both of my sisters were raped in college at JMU, and my mother was raped in Montreal. They never reported it. They moved on bc that was just what you did back then.
I think if you really think about the time They were in, it should give you a smidge if doubt of kavanaughs innocence.
That's bull *****! I actually grew up in the 80's and 90's and I knew several woman that were raped and abused and all of them went after their rapists and abusers! So don't paint a broad brush because I can do the same
Maybe, but the timing is everything. Everyone kind of expected something like this to "come out". It really isn't a surprise to anyone. And Feinstein sat on this for months.BallerStaf2003 said:
I think the hardliners on this thread that say this all has to be made up are dismissing how difficult it was in the 80's and 90's for a woman to speak out about rape.
Both of my sisters were raped in college at JMU, and my mother was raped in Montreal. They never reported it. They moved on bc that was just what you did back then.
I think if you really think about the time They were in, it should give you a smidge if doubt of kavanaughs innocence.
BallerStaf2003 said:
I think the hardliners on this thread that say this all has to be made up are dismissing how difficult it was in the 80's and 90's for a woman to speak out about rape.
Both of my sisters were raped in college at JMU, and my mother was raped in Montreal. They never reported it. They moved on bc that was just what you did back then.
I think if you really think about the time They were in, it should give you a smidge if doubt of kavanaughs innocence.
I've also been a sexual harassment and assault advocate in the Army and have represented too many girls that lied to ruin the careers of others.
This should be the reaction of any man accused of sexual crimes that he didn't commit. When it doesn't happen, it makes we wonder why...Dad-O-Lot said:
If Brett Kavanaugh is not confirmed as a Supreme Court Justice, he should sue Ford, Avenatti, Ramirez et al for slander and ask for damages equivalent to the lifetime earnings of a Supreme Court Justice plus a significant amount to cover loss of reputation.
I'll donate to his legal fund.
Ford's parents don't even support her. That should be pretty damn telling...
I've also known several women who have absolutely no problem crafting a ridiculous lie in order to get revenge or to humiliate somebody. If you really think about that, it should give you a smidge of doubt regarding these women's claims.BallerStaf2003 said:
I think the hardliners on this thread that say this all has to be made up are dismissing how difficult it was in the 80's and 90's for a woman to speak out about rape.
Both of my sisters were raped in college at JMU, and my mother was raped in Montreal. They never reported it. They moved on bc that was just what you did back then.
I think if you really think about the time They were in, it should give you a smidge if doubt of kavanaughs innocence.
See how that works when you try to introduce doubt based on something superfluous and without actual evidence?
I am truly sickened by all of this. His poor daughters and wife are scarred for life. Kavanagh is a big boy and can deal with it but this a total xxxx show.....all for politics. I generally tend to be an optimist but I am fast losing faith in my fellow Americans. Civil war is inevitable.
BallerStaf2003 said:
I think the hardliners on this thread that say this all has to be made up are dismissing how difficult it was in the 80's and 90's for a woman to speak out about rape.
Both of my sisters were raped in college at JMU, and my mother was raped in Montreal. They never reported it. They moved on bc that was just what you did back then.
I think if you really think about the time They were in, it should give you a smidge if doubt of kavanaughs innocence.
I volunteer part time in this field. I know a lot of abused women. I also suffered severe trauma as a teen myself.
They remember when and where the assault occurred. Ford does not. I don't believe her. She would remember. You remember when and where you were when such traumatic events occur.
Bo Darville said:BallerStaf2003 said:
I think the hardliners on this thread that say this all has to be made up are dismissing how difficult it was in the 80's and 90's for a woman to speak out about rape.
Both of my sisters were raped in college at JMU, and my mother was raped in Montreal. They never reported it. They moved on bc that was just what you did back then.
I think if you really think about the time They were in, it should give you a smidge if doubt of kavanaughs innocence.
I've also been a sexual harassment and assault advocate in the Army and have represented too many girls that lied to ruin the careers of others.
Exactly. Why this situation is just terrible for our country. It's like the lowest common denominator of gross.
If his best friend came forward and said that they got girls drunk to go poundtown on passed out girls, that would be about the level of testimony i would need to disqualify him. I think.
Let's slow our roll a bit - that is a little bit of stretch.houag80 said:
I am truly sickened by all of this. His poor daughters and wife are scarred for life. Kavanagh is a big boy and can deal with it but this a total xxxx show.....all for politics. I generally tend to be an optimist but I am fast losing faith in my fellow Americans. Civil war is inevitable.
But the reason for a statute of limitation on criminal charges is just as compelling for these allegations.BallerStaf2003 said:Bo Darville said:BallerStaf2003 said:
None of us have hard evidence. None of us. And we probably won't. So then what?
Presume innocence. That's what our society of laws is built upon.
But this isn't a criminal case. Obviously he's. It going to get charged.
This is a moral question for a seat on the SUPREME COURT!!!
When this much time has passed, it becomes impossible to disprove any allegation against you. Especially one with this level of vagueness. The accusers can't even truly pinpoint the YEAR it happened, let alone the day OR the place.
How can anyone defend against an allegation that lacks any specificity from so long ago? It's impossible.
You can't allow an accusation like this that is not only uncorroborated, but which has so many holes in it, to derail anything.
A SCOTUS nomination is high stakes poker. Given the extreme nature of politics right now, mostly on the left but on the right as well, finding someone willing to make a false allegation against a nominee from the other side is child's play. And you can't go after the accuser because it's almost impossible to disprove this many years later.
BallerStaf2003 said:Bo Darville said:BallerStaf2003 said:
I think the hardliners on this thread that say this all has to be made up are dismissing how difficult it was in the 80's and 90's for a woman to speak out about rape.
Both of my sisters were raped in college at JMU, and my mother was raped in Montreal. They never reported it. They moved on bc that was just what you did back then.
I think if you really think about the time They were in, it should give you a smidge if doubt of kavanaughs innocence.
I've also been a sexual harassment and assault advocate in the Army and have represented too many girls that lied to ruin the careers of others.
Exactly. Why this situation is just terrible for our country. It's like the lowest common denominator of gross.
If his best friend came forward and said that they got girls drunk to go poundtown on passed out girls, that would be about the level of testimony i would need to disqualify him. I think.
Like I said, if that is true he shoulda locked up. The court would be the least of his worries.
Did they attend the same high school?
So this comes out after BK's calendar and the party's happened "nearly every weekend during the school year"...oh and "Beach Week" during summer months
So this comes out after BK's calendar and the party's happened "nearly every weekend during the school year"...oh and "Beach Week" during summer months
Well, fortunately for you his friend has already adamantly denied that anything remotely resembling the claims occurred.BallerStaf2003 said:Bo Darville said:BallerStaf2003 said:
I think the hardliners on this thread that say this all has to be made up are dismissing how difficult it was in the 80's and 90's for a woman to speak out about rape.
Both of my sisters were raped in college at JMU, and my mother was raped in Montreal. They never reported it. They moved on bc that was just what you did back then.
I think if you really think about the time They were in, it should give you a smidge if doubt of kavanaughs innocence.
I've also been a sexual harassment and assault advocate in the Army and have represented too many girls that lied to ruin the careers of others.
Exactly. Why this situation is just terrible for our country. It's like the lowest common denominator of gross.
If his best friend came forward and said that they got girls drunk to go poundtown on passed out girls, that would be about the level of testimony i would need to disqualify him. I think.
BallerStaf2003 said:
I think the hardliners on this thread that say this all has to be made up are dismissing how difficult it was in the 80's and 90's for a woman to speak out about rape.
Both of my sisters were raped in college at JMU, and my mother was raped in Montreal. They never reported it. They moved on bc that was just what you did back then.
I think if you really think about the time They were in, it should give you a smidge if doubt of kavanaughs innocence.
I would urge your family members to consider filing a police report with their recollections. If a rapist strikes again, it could help put him behind bars.
So as of now, you believe he should be confirmed is what you're saying.BallerStaf2003 said:Bo Darville said:BallerStaf2003 said:
I think the hardliners on this thread that say this all has to be made up are dismissing how difficult it was in the 80's and 90's for a woman to speak out about rape.
Both of my sisters were raped in college at JMU, and my mother was raped in Montreal. They never reported it. They moved on bc that was just what you did back then.
I think if you really think about the time They were in, it should give you a smidge if doubt of kavanaughs innocence.
I've also been a sexual harassment and assault advocate in the Army and have represented too many girls that lied to ruin the careers of others.
Exactly. Why this situation is just terrible for our country. It's like the lowest common denominator of gross.
If his best friend came forward and said that they got girls drunk to go poundtown on passed out girls, that would be about the level of testimony i would need to disqualify him. I think.
SIA asked ( I'm several pages behind)
Question for our lady posters:
If you were drugged and a line of boys ran a train on you, wouldn't you go to the police and hospital (rape kit), etc?
Question for our lady posters:
If you were drugged and a line of boys ran a train on you, wouldn't you go to the police and hospital (rape kit), etc?
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I think you're picking up on why this story has to come out the way that it did in the timing that it did with the allegations involved.Mabel Choate said:It is absolutely a political hit job, whether the story is true or not. But the story could be true and the Dems are using it for political gain. That's definitely a possibilityblindey said:This is the one pesky detail that everyone having a meltdown over this needs to keep at the forefront.backintexas2013 said:
If DF would have turned over the letter the minute she got it a lot of this wouldn't have happened.
If it had just come up out of the blue, this circus might be somewhat merited.
But since it was known long ago, it is clearly a political hit job.
It has to be something from the distant past so that the truth never has a role - only the narrative.
If it was something more recent, it would be as easy as a shirt hearing to figure out one way or another and there is no attendant media circus.
My gut tells me that this lady and her story were concocted for a potential Romney presidency and resurrected now. She's a complicit player in the scam and happy to do it because of her political views.
As to why the democrats are so concerned about Kavanaugh is another question in its own.
BTHOB said:Well, fortunately for you his friend has already adamantly denied that anything remotely resembling the claims occurred.BallerStaf2003 said:Bo Darville said:BallerStaf2003 said:
I think the hardliners on this thread that say this all has to be made up are dismissing how difficult it was in the 80's and 90's for a woman to speak out about rape.
Both of my sisters were raped in college at JMU, and my mother was raped in Montreal. They never reported it. They moved on bc that was just what you did back then.
I think if you really think about the time They were in, it should give you a smidge if doubt of kavanaughs innocence.
I've also been a sexual harassment and assault advocate in the Army and have represented too many girls that lied to ruin the careers of others.
Exactly. Why this situation is just terrible for our country. It's like the lowest common denominator of gross.
If his best friend came forward and said that they got girls drunk to go poundtown on passed out girls, that would be about the level of testimony i would need to disqualify him. I think.
Mark Judge denied all claims?
No, you'd obviously ask when the next gang rape party was.Prognightmare said:
SIA asked ( I'm several pages behind)
Question for our lady posters:
If you were drugged and a line of boys ran a train on you, wouldn't you go to the police and hospital (rape kit), etc?
You have to go to the preponderance of the evidence available, which is VASTLY in favor of Kavanaugh.BallerStaf2003 said:
None of us have hard evidence. None of us. And we probably won't. So then what?
Feinstein's handling of Ford's accusation (which is the ONLY REASON any of this silliness is happening) is absolutely bereft of supporting evidence to the point where the people the accuser says were present at the event all deny anything happened or that they were there.
Now CPL's client comes forward with a more fantastic story than Ford's. Now we are to believe that a woman witnessed the rapes of multiple other women and was herself raped by groups arranged and set in motion by Kavanaugh and she is only coming forward now, literally months after his nomination and only hours prior to the vote to confirm Kavanaugh?
At all of these "every weekend" parties where large groups of teens were present and there were allegedly lines forming to have a go at one of these girls that Kavanaugh set up in plain view of the entire party NO OTHER WITNESSES OR VICTIMS have come forward? In 30 plus years? No pregnancies? No STD's? No whispered stories? No injuries that drew questions? These girls had no friends that ever made any attempt to help their girlfriend and prevent her from being gang raped? No cops ever involved, after what is essentially serial gang rape?
These stories beggar belief to put it kindly.
And if you're tempted to believe that she might have blocked the details out completely, which is a possibility, one of her good friends was supposedly with her at this small party. Does it seem at all likely that this girl would be traumatized like she claims to have been, but not mention it to her friend who was one of a small handful people at the party with her?aginlakeway said:BallerStaf2003 said:
I think the hardliners on this thread that say this all has to be made up are dismissing how difficult it was in the 80's and 90's for a woman to speak out about rape.
Both of my sisters were raped in college at JMU, and my mother was raped in Montreal. They never reported it. They moved on bc that was just what you did back then.
I think if you really think about the time They were in, it should give you a smidge if doubt of kavanaughs innocence.
I volunteer part time in this field. I know a lot of abused women. I also suffered severe trauma as a teen myself.
They remember when and where the assault occurred. Ford does not. I don't believe her. She would remember. You remember when and where you were when such traumatic events occur.
Add in the other holes in her testimony, and the timing of it all, and it strains credulity.
All we, as outsiders, can go on is what SEEMS more believable, and it's really not a close call at all, objectively.
Think about this though. He gave a sworn testimony under oath to the Senate that he absolutely did not do this to her or anyone else for that matter. IF HE DID then he is done as a federal judge. Do you really think that he would risk his whole career over this or would he just withdraw his name??? All it takes is one bit of evidence and he's done. Not just his chance to serve on the Supreme Court. His ability to practice law is done and OVER. His whole career as a judge is OVER.
Mark Judge issued a statement this morning thru his attorney denying all claims made by this third accuser.
agsquirrel97 said:I grew up in the 80's, rape was not a social norm in my town. It was a prosecutable offense.BallerStaf2003 said:Whens lunch said:I will say nobody has completely flawless and perfect record. You're setting an unattainable bar. Don't you find these allegations just a little convenient? Where have they been for 36 YEARS?BallerStaf2003 said:
What an unbelievable **** show.
I've never been so conflicted on an issue in my life.
I don't want to discredit women, but it's all really fishy. Democrats have been disgusting through this, but republicans are trying to rush a nominee that might be a scumbag.
What if one of these women is correct? Just a really messed up situation.
I will say, a Supreme Court nominee should have a completely flawless and perfect record.
I'm with you, but it's really hard for people who have been abused to speak out. Have you ever seen John Hughes movies in the 80's? Sixteen Candles, Brealfast Club, etc.
Rape was almost a social norm then. Even those movies glorified it as like a jock coming of age.
I just could easily see a woman seeing this dude about to go on the Supreme Court and being like, "ok I need to suck it up and come forward"
I can also see Democrat's making this all up to get back at Merrick Garlands filibuster....
I really don't know. None of us know. Not sure whAt to think.
I have seen all the Cheech and Chong movies and smoking dope was still frowned upon
I saw Goodfellas, Casino, Donny Brasco and never did I think it was OK to participate in organized crime
I have seen Independence day, Alien, Prometheus - Alien attacks are not a social norm
I have seen Stephen King movies and serial killers are still not socially acceptable.
I have heard of The shape of water and I don't think it is OK to have sex with fish.
If you have some credible facts to add that prove Kavanaugh is not fit to sit on the supreme court, please share them. If you want to discuss movie plots, lets head to the entertainment board.
Can't wait for Sixteen Candles Part 2 where Farmer Ted is a Supreme Court nominee & Caroline comes out of the woodwork to accuse him. He'll school the committee by bringing up her tricking him into taking birth control pills
It wasn't "zero empathy"...he was making fun/mocking of a drugged and raped situation that hit VERY close to home...on a completely unrelated matter. It was an effort to get under my skin. And this actually happened.BallerStaf2003 said:Boo Weekley said:If you're going to come out with a 40 year old accusation at the most politically convenient time ever, you better have some type of hard evidence. This chick didn't report anything and apparently doesn't remember when or where it was etc. She also slept with like 50-something men before college right? If something did go down, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a drunken party hook up and now that the lady is a flaming lib, she saw an opportunity to be a hero for the cause.BallerStaf2003 said:
None of us have hard evidence. None of us. And we probably won't. So then what?
I still highly doubt anything happened.
You amuse me. You lamented how Lot Y had zero empathy for you when you went through something, but you are so hardline to anything that doesn't fit your political views. Don't ask for empathy if you have zero to give in return.
If this lady was raped, she has my utmost sympathy. But I am not going to go "all-in" on hazy accusations at the last hour when it is clear this is timed to be politically convenient. "It's possible she was raped or sexually assaulted" isn't even close to enough for me to start feeling bad for her and thus incriminating him. Especially when you consider the circumstances at large. That sets a SCARY precedent for the future actually and could actually influence the direction of our republic if it became the norm.
Please do not compare the two scenarios again. I am really sorry for what happened to your sisters and mother, but I would never compare that to what is going on with this accuser. Maybe evidence is presented someday and I will gladly eat crow because *****RAPE.
Cliffs Notes version: I am not going to give empathy for something I 99% believe did not happen.
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