Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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6:37p, 4/27/22
Here's some more.

https://twitter.com/UndeadFoia (RyanM(numbers) who visited here until SickNTiredAg ran him off. Kidding)
https://twitter.com/MonsieursGhost
https://twitter.com/McAdooGordon
https://twitter.com/Larry_Beech
https://twitter.com/shipwreckedcrew (trial lawyer also representing some J6 defendants)
https://twitter.com/KingMakerFT (trial lawyer with good insight into spygate)
https://twitter.com/supersleuthgrl
https://twitter.com/ProfMJCleveland (really good follow and breaks things down in layman's terms)
https://twitter.com/15poundstogo
https://twitter.com/walkafyre
https://twitter.com/Shem_Infinite

I may have duplicated some.
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In reply to will25u • 6:53p, 4/27/22
As usual, I have a sidebar.

I saw Shipwrecked Crew was representing some J6 defendants, which I'm thrilled to hear. Based on some of the reports we've been seeing, a lot of the J6 folks are being held with NO bail and No charges, which dictates kidnapping and being a prisoner.

Why wouldn't a lawyer, any lawyer, suit the crap out of the feds? Even a died in the wool Dem judge would have difficulty supporting no bail and no charges for a defendant being held over a year.

It makes me wonder how many "prisoners" we've held with no charges or bail in the last 240 years.
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6:56p, 4/27/22
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In reply to akm91 • 7:16p, 4/27/22
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akm91 said:
Not only did Sussman lie to the FBI, he got the law firm to vouch for his lie. They really didn't think they'd get caught.
they almost didnt
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7:22p, 4/27/22
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What a tangled mess of "Who, me?" and everyone screaming..."I have a Hall Pass", OR "That was my other brother, Daryl."

Started out as a "Pre-Law" wanna be way back in '64. (Yeah...OLD COOT here). SO GLAD I came to my senses! Prolly woulda flunked out anyway.

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7:38p, 4/27/22
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All of those filings to the court to intervene, are those essentially lies to the court?
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In reply to Secolobo • 9:59p, 4/27/22
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To keep this on the front page...
I was wondering where Sperry went after he got kicked off of twitter.

Ukraine Worked With Democrats Against Trump in Election 2016 to Stop Putin. That Bet Backfired Badly.
Anyone want to bet Lt. Col. Fatass was up to his eyeballs in this?
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11:22p, 4/27/22
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11:26p, 4/27/22
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In reply to Secolobo • 11:44p, 4/27/22
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The internet never forgets
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11:51p, 4/27/22
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It's probably archived by twitter as well as folks having screenshots
"And liberals, being liberals, will double down on failure." - dedgod
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11:52p, 4/27/22
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I bet he gets the Taylor Lorenz treatment and the way back machine or time machine that logs everyone's deleted tweets forgets his as well
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In reply to gtaggie_08 • 12:01a, 4/28/22
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I bet he gets the Taylor Lorenz treatment and the way back machine or time machine that logs everyone's deleted tweets forgets his as well
I guess we know what Elon needs to buy next...
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2:01a, 4/28/22
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3:32a, 4/28/22
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9:06a, 4/28/22
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will,sic,hawg...

There is an article about the Judge blocking Hillary's tweets as hearsay here.

Do you see any material concerns? The judge did mention it is "likely duplicative of other evidence", but it I am concerned it is just a move to put distance between her and this mess.

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In reply to We fixed the keg • 9:23a, 4/28/22
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Sussmann's lawyers wrote, "The Tweet, which was posted on October 31, 2016, does not reveal anything about Mr. Sussmann's state of mind over a month earlier, when he purportedly made the alleged false statement."

"There is no evidence that Mr. Sussmann's meeting with Mr. Baker had anything to do with the Clinton Campaign's broader media strategy," they continued.

But Durham wrote that "in the months prior to the publication of these articles, the defendant had communicated with the media and provided them with the Russian Bank-1 data and allegations" and had kept Clinton campaign general counsel Marc Elias "apprised of his efforts" while Elias "communicated with the Clinton Campaign's leadership about potential media coverage of these issues."
Ultimately, I'm not sure the tweets are relevant to the case against Sussman as the billing records establish his representation of Clinton's campaign during the meeting in question.

But it is a little odd that hearsay is the reason to exclude it.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 9:28a, 4/28/22
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Thanks, and I thought I needed more coffee.

If I testify to someone that I overheard someone say something, hearsay, no problem. I am saying something that someone else said and you have no idea to determine if it is rumor or true.

...but this is Hillary tweeting the statement. I guess someone else could have used her account to post it, but hearsay?
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9:28a, 4/28/22
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So NOW tweets are hearsay...
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In reply to Secolobo • 9:32a, 4/28/22
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Secolobo said:
So NOW tweets are hearsay...
Campaign accounts are generally maintained by others. We don't know who manages Hillary's account.

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In reply to We fixed the keg • 9:32a, 4/28/22
hearsay is any out of court statement to prove the matter of the truth asserted in the statement. doesn't matter if spoken, written, or tweeted
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 9:37a, 4/28/22
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BMX Bandit said:
hearsay is any out of court statement to prove the matter of the truth asserted in the statement. doesn't matter if spoken, written, or tweeted
But it is not being offered for the truth of the matter asserted within the content of the tweet itself. Becuase the content itself was false.

Gets confusing on that point.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 9:38a, 4/28/22
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Doesn't seem that important for the Sussman case, but it better not be excluded when Hillary is on trial.
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In reply to American Hardwood • 9:52a, 4/28/22
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Doesn't seem that important for the Sussman case, but it better not be excluded when Hillary is on trial.
hillary isn't ever going to be on trial, but if the witness can be cross-examined on an out of court statement, its generally not hearsay.
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10:16a, 4/28/22



ETA:

He means HFA not DNC.
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In reply to will25u • 10:26a, 4/28/22
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will25u said:
So if they were only acting as a "commercial vendor of research services", how can he then claim elsewhere that they were providing legal advice that would be privileged?
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In reply to txags92 • 10:31a, 4/28/22
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So if they were only acting as a "commercial vendor of research services", how can he then claim elsewhere that they were providing legal advice that would be privileged?
In a sane world, they cannot. But is it illegal to make a false statement to the FEC? As in a criminal matter instead of just an administrative fine?

Remember for years FARA was just dealt with administratively with fines, not criminal charges.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 10:48a, 4/28/22
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aggiehawg said:
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So if they were only acting as a "commercial vendor of research services", how can he then claim elsewhere that they were providing legal advice that would be privileged?
In a sane world, they cannot. But is it illegal to make a false statement to the FEC? As in a criminal matter instead of just an administrative fine?

Remember for years FARA was just dealt with administratively with fines, not criminal charges.
But can their legal filings like this be used as evidence that what they are claiming in their briefs is perjury? This isn't a tweet. If it is something they filed with the FEC, doesn't that carry some weight moreso than other types of hearsay?
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In reply to txags92 • 10:52a, 4/28/22
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But can their legal filings like this be used as evidence that what they are claiming in their briefs is perjury? This isn't a tweet. If it is something they filed with the FEC, doesn't that carry some weight moreso than other types of hearsay?
Was Sussman still counsel when those statements were made? If not, they are irrelevant as to him.
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