Lieu is no idiot. He's a socialist, criminal, politician.

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Kash Patel: "John Durham is working on the largest criminal conspiracy in US history. It makes Watergate look like a parking citation."

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Unlikely Patel has any inside Durham intel but he's probably as plugged in as anyone. Patel was the primary author of the infamous Nunes Memo 4 yrs ago (2018) during the Mueller investigation. Notable reminder that the memo didn't get much support from either Paul Ryan or Trey Gowdy.

While I suspect there are more visitors coming to the grand jury, I realize the covert nature.

My question, is it possible for high profile folks to be called to testify (Sullivan, Clinton, etc.), and no one in the media know about it?

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While I suspect there are more visitors coming to the grand jury, I realize the covert nature.

My question, is it possible for high profile folks to be called to testify (Sullivan, Clinton, etc.), and no one in the media know about it?

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Targets don't testify before the Grand Jury, only prosecutorial witnesses do.

Sullivan may be a stretch as far as a target but possible, but as I've said repeatedly, NO ONE named CLINTON or OBAMA or BIDEN will be indicted in this case. Hunters problems are unrelated and seperate.

Cutting off all their money sources and getting them completely out of politics would be the maximum win, But the top of the pyramid are too big to be prosecuted, that's a fact that people need to learn to accept. Because they are NEVER going to prosecute the first half black POTUS nor a former first lady, just not going to happen, I'll bet my life on it.

Gracias.

I know. I'd written those folks off long ago. Now that Putin just threatened nukes, maybe someone would pay attention to old Hill' when she sold 25% of our uranium to Russia for $145 million.

Sorry to deflect.

Bill Barr taking shots at Trump and Durham.

"Barr writes that when he explained to Trump that Durham had, until the end of 2019, been looking at questions about the CIA’s role that did “not pan out,” Trump snapped at him, “You buy that bullshit, Bill?”"

This explains a LOT.https://t.co/VC7Dch76Yq

— Hans Mahncke (@HansMahncke) February 27, 2022

SWAG...but I suspect AG Barr saw all of this as "dirty political games", not international intrigue and was disgusted with it. I think he feels most (if not all) politicians are children and deserve what each dishes on the other. He's not interested in playing the game and therefore didn't push for prosecution. Just MHO.

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F*** Bill Barr. He's a protector of the shield not justice or upholding the law. He went in as AG the second time talking a good game but knowing full well he was there to do damage control for the DOJ. Look at his career, what has he really EVER DONE? Protect the system. That' it, that's all he's ever done. He's a beltway insider that think the DOJ is the gold standard and beyond reproach.

F*** him and the mule he rode in on.

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I don't disagree...in fact, agree wholeheartedly. That's partly WHY I think he was disgusted with the party politics, its childish, underhanded shenanigans and wanted no part of it. I suspect he thinks politicians deserve each others BS.

Barr was a big disappointment

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I was under the impression Gowdy backed that report 100%, since he argued for it until he stepped away and became a pundit.

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This is what Gowdy said just after the Nunez Memo was released.

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"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier."

Gowdy went on to say he was "100 percent" behind Mueller: "Look, Russia tried to interfere with our election in 2016 with or without a dossier."

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I was under the impression Gowdy backed that report 100%, since he argued for it until he stepped away and became a pundit.

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This is what Gowdy said just after the Nunez Memo was released.

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"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier."

Gowdy went on to say he was "100 percent" behind Mueller: "Look, Russia tried to interfere with our election in 2016 with or without a dossier."

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And that part in BOLD has been debunked as well as the dossier, and how much has come out since that statement? FBI lawyers changing CIA emails to defraud the FISA court, and 100% of all this garbage has been revealed as garbage. Hope you didn't spend all this time digging hard to try and support your hyperbole.

Even the idiot Asst DIrector of the FBI said UNDER OATH no dossier on FISA, and the FISA was 100% garbage.

But you're right Paul Ryan is and always will be a POS.

Slightly off topic, but a trip back in time for this this thread. Wonder what happened with Concord Management? Wagner mercenaries are in Ukraine and the claim is that they were sent in to kill the Ukrainian President. Wagner and Concord share management.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-wagner-group-mercenaries-b2024848.html?amp

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21427H

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Slightly off topic, but a trip back in time for this this thread. Wonder what happened with Concord Management? Wagner mercenaries are in Ukraine and the claim is that they were sent in to kill the Ukrainian President. Wagner and Concord share management.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-wagner-group-mercenaries-b2024848.html?amp

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21427H

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Team Mueller dismissed the case. They quit.

Re: Barr... one shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Barr's father and ol' Jeff Epstein were co-workers at Dalton. I think Barr would tamp down any investigation that could lead back to his family.

Durham poking at little fish could lead to larger fish who start unraveling all sorts of sordid details.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/the-epstein-barr-problem-of-new-york-citys-dalton-school/

Diplomacy and Dividends: Who Really Controls the Wagner Group?

From 2019

Lots of old articles about them.

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Re: Barr... one shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Barr's father and ol' Jeff Epstein were co-workers at Dalton. I think Barr would tamp down any investigation that could lead back to his family.

Durham poking at little fish could lead to larger fish who start unraveling all sorts of sordid details.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/the-epstein-barr-problem-of-new-york-citys-dalton-school/

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Look I'm no real fan of Bill Barr and won't defend him, but this hit piece is ridiculous. Epstein was hired and began teach physics at Dalton 3 months after Barr's father was gone. Epstein dropped out of NYU in July 1974 at the end of the summer semester. There was no overlap, they weren't co-workers

Donald Barr turned in his resignation in Jan 1974 and agreed to stay until June so they find his replacement, Peter Branch. Epstein was hired in August and began teaching in Sept 1974. Even the BS Law & Crime article says "possibly" and then doesn't bother to provide any facts that takes five minutes to find.

This was nothing more than the MSM way of trying to draw some sort of line between Trump and Epstein after their Mar a Lago lie fell apart.

Does anyone here think Durham has been told how far he can take his investigation and then it's terminated? I don't believe there is any way Garland/Biden allow Durham to expose just how corrupt the Democratic Party is. They could fire Durham today and the media would barely report it (and certainly not accurately) and the whole thing would be over by the end of the week.

I'm surprised it's still going on and still have some hope everything gets exposed but if we have learned anything over the last half dozen years, it is the Dems are as corrupt as can be (along with some Rs) and will do anything to protect their power.

As far as Barr, it was discussed several times on this thread over the years whether he would allow his investigation to do permanent damage to the DOJ, regardless of what he found. I think we know the answer.

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Does anyone here think Durham has been told how far he can take his investigation and then it's terminated? I don't believe there is any way Garland/Biden allow Durham to expose just how corrupt the Democratic Party is. They could fire Durham today and the media would barely report it (and certainly not accurately) and the whole thing would be over by the end of the week.

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Alternatively, maybe they don't mind HRC taking the bullet. Get it behind them ASAP and the public will see this as old news in 2024.

Lazy leftist ideologue journalists start with a narrative and back their way into it with confirmation bias instead of researching it and determining if it holds up or not.

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Does anyone here think Durham has been told how far he can take his investigation and then it's terminated? I don't believe there is any way Garland/Biden allow Durham to expose just how corrupt the Democratic Party is. They could fire Durham today and the media would barely report it (and certainly not accurately) and the whole thing would be over by the end of the week.

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Alternatively, maybe they don't mind HRC taking the bullet. Get it behind them ASAP and the public will see this as old news in 2024.

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This is a great observation, because slowly but surely Hillary is becoming expendable. Her over priced appearance fees don't bear the fruit they once did. She's not bringing funding to the party. The Clinton Foundation has pretty much dried up and under extreme scrutiny in the IRS courts thanks to Larry Doyle's investigation and findings. That case is still ongoing. Hillary killed her electability in 2016 and then refused to take any accountability for her defeat. She's an albatross around the neck of the New Democrat Party. Her schtick is old and useless to the under 30's on the left. I still don't think she'll ever do time but the left could do as benchmark said and let her take the Political fall and send her home to Bill. Speaking of has anyone seen him lately? It's not looking good for him. Life is taking its toll on ole Slick Willie.

Durham's going to be able to finish his investigation and prune they tree under the Clinton's and some outliers in the DOJ/FBI like Clinesmith. The main thing will be to get it all out in the open. Hopefully force change in a lot of shady policies in the system.

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Does anyone here think Durham has been told how far he can take his investigation and then it's terminated? I don't believe there is any way Garland/Biden allow Durham to expose just how corrupt the Democratic Party is. They could fire Durham today and the media would barely report it (and certainly not accurately) and the whole thing would be over by the end of the week.

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Alternatively, maybe they don't mind HRC taking the bullet. Get it behind them ASAP and the public will see this as old news in 2024.

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This is a great observation, because slowly but surely Hillary is becoming expendable. Her over priced appearance fees don't bear the fruit they once did. She's not bringing funding to the party. The Clinton Foundation has pretty much dried up and under extreme scrutiny in the IRS courts thanks to Larry Doyle's investigation and findings. That case is still ongoing. Hillary killed her electability in 2016 and then refused to take any accountability for her defeat. She's an albatross around the neck of the New Democrat Party. Her schtick is old and useless to the under 30's on the left. I still don't think she'll ever do time but the left could do as benchmark said and let her take the Political fall and send her home to Bill. Speaking of has anyone seen him lately? It's not looking good for him. Life is taking its toll on ole Slick Willie.

Durham's going to be able to finish his investigation and prune they tree under the Clinton's and some outliers in the DOJ/FBI like Clinesmith. The main thing will be to get it all out in the open. Hopefully force change in a lot of shady policies in the system.

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I agree that it was a good observation by benchmark as Hillary has become nothing but a nuisance to the dems. And your conclusion on how it plays out seems fairly likely at this point. But I still don't understand how it wouldn't be less risky for Garland to just shut it all down "because it has become too partisan" and watch the media not say a word about it, other than Maria Bartoromo.

But it is a pleasant surprise to me that Durham has been uncovering what happened and is actually getting word out. I'll take it and hope it keeps coming.

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I agree that it was a good observation by benchmark as Hillary has become nothing but a nuisance to the dems. And your conclusion on how it plays out seems fairly likely at this point. But I still don't understand how it wouldn't be less risky for Garland to just shut it all down "because it has become too partisan" and watch the media not say a word about it, other than Maria Bartoromo.

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Some say Durham's Feb 11 filing mentioning the Sussmann/Joffe internet data mining operation (conspiracy) was a poison pill aimed at Garland's possible inference.

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I agree that it was a good observation by benchmark as Hillary has become nothing but a nuisance to the dems. And your conclusion on how it plays out seems fairly likely at this point. But I still don't understand how it wouldn't be less risky for Garland to just shut it all down "because it has become too partisan" and watch the media not say a word about it, other than Maria Bartoromo.

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Some say Durham's Feb 11 filing mentioning the Sussmann/Joffe internet data mining operation (conspiracy) was a poison pill aimed at Garland's possible inference.

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I heard the same thing and it makes a lot of sense to have an indictment with that length for a simple 1001 charge he's kind of like laying down that there's a whole lot here that I'm not talking about right now.

I personally just don't think Garland's gonna go there because Congress is gonna flip in November and everybody pretty much knows that's a done deal. Article II of the Constitution grants Congress the power to impeach "the president, the vice president and all civil officers of the United States." The phrase "civil officers" includes the members of the cabinet.

These *****es...

What’s this 🤔 pic.twitter.com/W7qtAqL4ai

— Muse Scry (@MuseScry) March 1, 2022

Wonder what that is in reference to...

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Wonder what that is in reference to...

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Curious as to the same.....This reeks of a preemptive CYA, or blocking access an individual.

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SOunds like Durham is going to expose Horowitz failings maybe a cover up by the OIG

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Sure seems that way. If Horowitz didn't turn over Sussman's phones then I'm sure there are other things he did or didn't do.