Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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will25u said:


Well, the Steele Dossier sure didn't read as if it were a professionally prepared intelligence product.

Hell, the woman from the London office of the Sec of State department interviewed Steele and immediately knew he was FOS and told the FBI the same. Her boss, Victoria Nuland ordered all of her staff to refrain from any contact with Steele over Hatch Act implications.
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Ridiculous.

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Anyone provide an update on Papadopulous' (SP) case??
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/02/politics/democrats-trump-mueller-supreme-court/index.html

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Congressional Democrats' years-long attempt to nail down whether then-President Donald Trump lied to special counsel Robert Mueller effectively ended on Friday, with the US Supreme Court wiping away court decisions where the House Judiciary Committee was told it could access secret grand jury records from key witnesses in the Mueller investigation.

The House now won't get those grand jury records -- bringing to a close Democrats' pursuit of what witnesses in the Mueller investigation said confidentially under oath about their interactions with Trump and others during the 2016 campaign.
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I think I am talking to myself here.

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It's still on my watch list and I'm still reading your posts.

Keep it up!
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I doubt anything will come out. At most it will say the FBI was naughty and that was it.

Besides, Biden would pardon anyone charged and the media would cheer it on.
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So 2 more weeks?

Maybe a twitter cow will get arrested. Thanks for the update Devin
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If the hardcore left base ever makes Xiden resign as they somehow decide it is not ok to have a CCP puppet who is senile as potus, Jill's last act would be to pardon anyone indicted/sentenced with regard to the disgraceful Weisman/Mueller probe crap, agreed.
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Welp, what a giant waste of time this was.
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Cuomo-nothing. Whitmer- nothing. Lerner-nothing. Fast and furious- nothing. Benghazi-nothing Lemme take a wild ass guess.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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"Cuomo-nothing. Whitmer- nothing. Lerner-nothing. Fast and furious- nothing. Benghazi-nothing Lemme take a wild ass guess."

Meanwhile, Trump gets impeached, twice.
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will25u said:


Somehow Vindman's avatar being a cartoon character seems appropriate.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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This thread will never die apparently. And Perkins, Coie is a very scummy law firm. This crap has to stop.


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"Three Perkins Coie partners are 'stateless' U.S. citizens domiciled in China," the lawyers representing the firm and the Democratic National Committee argued in an appellate brief earlier this year. "That statelessness is imputed to Perkins Coie and forecloses the existence of complete diversity of citizenship in this case."

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In a little noticed ruling in late June, the 7th Circuit of the U.S. Court of Appeals in Chicago accepted the Washington D.C.-based firm's claim that it was a "stateless" entity that can't be sued in federal court.


"In response to our concerns regarding subject matter jurisdiction, Perkins Coie submitted affidavits from three individual partners who are U.S. citizens domiciled in China: Yun (Louise) Lu, Scott Palmer, and James M. Zimmerman," the court noted.

"We adhere to this same reasoning and conclude that Perkins Coie (as a named defendant) takes on the stateless status of its individual partners Lu, Palmer, and Zimmerman," it added. "This attribution of statelessness destroys complete diversity and deprived the district court of the power to hear this case.
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The appellate judges acknowledged the legal theory of federal court immunity for "stateless" entities was novel and based on laws created before the rise of multinational corporations and it may be ripe for review by the U.S. Supreme Court.

"We acknowledge that in today's global business environment, where multinational entities exist in every facet of commerce, this result may strike some as impractical," the judges noted. "But keep in mind that when Congress enacted the Judiciary Act of 1789, and in the subsequent decades when the Supreme Court decided many of its significant diversity jurisdiction cases, most of today's business forms did not exist."

"The Supreme Court has not explicitly answered this question. But the Court has held both that a stateless citizen cannot be sued in diversity (see Newman-Green, 490 U.S. at 82829) and that the citizenship of a partnership is based on the citizenship of each individual partner," the judges added.
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Marc Elias, a partner for Perkins Coie, did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment. All three of the firm's partners cited in the brief either moved to China or joined the firm in 2018, long after the Steele dossier at the center of the lawsuit had been created and leaked to the media.
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Neat trick to avoid being sued in federal court under diversity of citizenship.
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don't know if I would call it a trick. Perkins Coie didn't even move to dismiss the case on that basis.

The Court raised the issue on its own.
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BMX Bandit said:

don't know if I would call it a trick. Perkins Coie didn't even move to dismiss the case on that basis.

The Court raised the issue on its own.
From their brief as linked in the article posted, supra:

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This Court raised the issue of subject-matter jurisdiction in its January 12, 2021 order instructing Plaintiffs to file an amended jurisdictional statement, in part because Plaintiffs "fail[ed] to identify by name all partners of defendant Perkins Coie, LLP, and each partner's state of citizenship and domicile." ECF No. 18 at 2. The Court noted that information is "particularly important" for partners in Perkins Coie's foreign offices, since American citizens who establish a domicile abroad foreclose invocation of 28 U.S.C. 1332(a)(3).
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yes, the court raised the issue. Perkins Coie did not move to dismiss on that basis.


the case was dismissed originally for lack of personal jurisdiction in Illinois. that was issue on appeal, then 7th circuit took it upon themselves to dismiss for a different reason
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That doesn't look sketchy at all, or open up a huge can of worms by which many entities can now skirt federal law by paying someone to exist in such a condition as well. Maybe not the best idea.
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BMX Bandit said:

yes, the court raised the issue. Perkins Coie did not move to dismiss on that basis.


the case was dismissed for lack of personal jurisdiction in Illinois.
Still a bad decision in an era of multinational corporations and really needs to be addressed by SCOTUS or the passage of a new federal rule of civil procedure.
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MouthBQ98 said:

That doesn't look sketchy at all, or open up a huge can of worms by which many entities can now skirt federal law by paying someone to exist in such a condition as well. Maybe not the best idea.
I think it should be that the stateless entity is disregarded for diversity purposes, but no circuit court agrees apparently.

and this is not a "now" thing. there are cases from 2 decades ago saying this.

important to note that this does not allow them to skirt federal law. If Page had a federal claim against them, this would not be an issue. He could sue in federal court.

he can still sue them in state court.
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Sighmore epic fail from the FBI. What an utterly pathetic, terrible, unAmerican organization, top to bottom.

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What the hell is going on at the FBI? You can say the same about the Department of Justice overall. After years of investigating the leaks to the press during the 2016 election, DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz said that they don't know who was leaking because it seems as if everyone was just talking to the press willy-nilly and sharing sensitive information. In short, there were more leaks at the FBI than the Iraqi Navy during the 2016 race at a time when our nation's preeminent law enforcement and domestic intelligence agency had to be as apolitical as possible. We all know they failed in every phase of that endeavor. It took four years for this report to dropwhere the conclusion was the FBI could not figure who was leaking stuff to the press fromthe FBI. Oh, and the suspicion that Rudy Giuliani has insider knowledge of the FBI probe into Hillary Clinton turned out to be a huge nothing burger as well. (via WaPo):

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A four-year probe by the Justice Department Inspector General could not determine who in the FBI spoke to reporters about sensitive subjects during the 2016 election, or find evidence that Rudolph W. Giuliani had inside information about an investigation into Hillary Clinton that upended the race in its final days.

The report issued Thursday by Inspector General Michael Horowitz said there were "substantial media contacts" with numerous FBI employees, but the evidence could not "determine whether these media contacts resulted in the disclosure of nonpublic information."

Horowitz faulted what he called "a cultural attitude at the FBI that was far too permissive of unauthorized media contacts in 2016."

The 10-page report is the long-awaited summary of an issue that consumed the FBI and Justice Department during the presidential contest between Clinton and Donald Trump. The FBI director at the time, James B. Comey, told the inspector general that he was determined to find out who was leaking to reporters, particularly after articles about internal disputes between the Justice Department and the FBI over how to handle a faltering probe of the Clinton Foundation.
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Horowitz said there were simply too many contacts between reporters and the FBI to determine who might have told journalists about sensitive details of cases. His office did find misconduct by three senior FBI officials who accepted things of value from reporters, like tickets to a baseball game, or a seat at a dinner function.
What a circus. It just adds to a long list of events that have made this agency into a total joke. First, they had a rogue FBI agent, Peter Strzok, signing off an operation to spy on the Trump campaign based on a shoddy and unverified piece of political opposition researchthe Steele dossierwhich was funded by the Clinton campaign. Ex-FBI director James Comey knew the document was Clinton-funded from day one.

He has an extramarital affair with a former bureau lawyer, Lisa Page, who sends tens of thousands of anti-Trump texts including one that says they'll "stop" Trump from becoming president. All of this as Strzok is a top counterintelligence agent at the FBI and a key point person regarding the sensitive investigations into Russian collusion and Hillary Clinton's email server. The two also felt the FBI was too hard on Hillary. This lovebird fiasco tarnished the FBI's reputation. Page left the FBI. Strzok was demoted to human resources after texts were revealed to the public. He was later fired. Prior to his demotion, he was briefly on the special counsel investigation led by Robert Mueller. Strzok said his anti-Trump texts were a sign of patriotism. Page threw him under the bus, saying the texts are meant to be taken as they're written.

Then, this agency said that they couldn't find any evidence that the shooting of the GOP congressional team was politically motivated. It was only executed by a far-left Bernie Sanders supporter who hated the GOP. They lost track of the Pulse Nightclub shooter's wife.

Worse of all, this agency was at the forefront of the collusion hoax. They falsified documents to secure spy warrants on American citizens, like Carter Page. And someone at the bureau hid exculpatory evidence that could have removed Michael Flynn from legal purgatory. And now, we can't even find out who's been leaking stuff to the press.

We know that disgraced deputy director Andrew McCabe spoke to the Wall Street Journal about the Clinton Foundation investigation. He was fired for lying about that, but there are a lot of bad hombres that just got away.
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Things that make you go hmmm....

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