Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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captkirk said:

will25u said:


This seems like a big deal

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
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captkirk said:

will25u said:


This seems like a big deal


Yes--key question is what's the timing?
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Exactly if it isn't within the month, than Biden will give all a pardon and hang a Presidential Medal of Freedom around each of their necks (versus the noose they deserve).
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Biden will pardon them regardless

That there has been 1 indictment in an investigation going on this long is absurd.
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BMX Bandit said:

Biden will pardon them regardless

That there has been 1 indictment in an investigation going on this long is absurd.
Pardon issues aside (I agree Biden will pardon them) there is always the possibility of sealed indictments that we obviously wouldn't know about.

Now for your daily how many angels can you fit on the head of a pin mental exercise: If Biden stole the election and is not a legitimate POTUS, are his pardons legitimate?
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Unfortunately once he is inaugurated it is over, even if provable widespread corruption is found (and not directly linked to Biden) they won't upset the apple cart and revoke his presidency.
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This is under the "first time I've seen, or heard this" comment.

This morning, at around the 2:35 hour mark on Bartiromo morning show, she had a former US attorney on named Bud Cummins. They were discussing the DOJ lawsuit against Walmart. Y'all may have heard other US attorneys say this, but I was completely shocked to hear Cummins say "I don't trust the FBI or the DOJ anymore".

FYI, the Walmart situation is discussed, which was actually pretty interesting, but that's for a different thread.

I'm sure the Murdoch brothers had kittens, along with their wives, and Cummins won't be asked back, but I was certainly surprised.
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BQ78 said:

Unfortunately once he is inaugurated it is over, even if provable widespread corruption is found (and not directly linked to Biden) they won't upset the apple cart and revoke his presidency.
While I tend to agree no one has the intestinal fortitude to do so but under the laws of agency, an act that is ultra vires is void ab initio is my argument.
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While I tend to agree no one has the intestinal fortitude to do so but under the laws of agency, an act that is ultra vires is void ab initio is my argument.
Can't say I've seen ultra vires used in this context :-). I mean heck, if he starts a nuclear war, can we later say such action was void ab initio if he's removed? Sorry, couldn't help myself.
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Aggie Jurist said:

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While I tend to agree no one has the intestinal fortitude to do so but under the laws of agency, an act that is ultra vires is void ab initio is my argument.
Can't say I've seen ultra vires used in this context :-). I mean heck, if he starts a nuclear war, can we later say such action was void ab initio if he's removed? Sorry, couldn't help myself.
LOL. Touche.

In such an event, the Joint Chiefs will try the Nuremberg Defense. Didn't work out so well the first time.
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BQ78 said:

Unfortunately once he is inaugurated it is over, even if provable widespread corruption is found (and not directly linked to Biden) they won't upset the apple cart and revoke his presidency.

There is no automatic mechanism for undoing a Biden election/presidency, but there never was one to begin with. If "widespread corruption" is found in the election process and can be shown to go back to Biden & Harris then the solution would be impeachment.

And there would be plenty of support for doing so if there is in fact "widespread" corruption in the process that can be shown to have been coordinated.

Even if there isn't, the dems would lose their asses in the midterms and likely control of the House, which would mean they could be impeached at that point.
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pagerman @ work said:

BQ78 said:

Unfortunately once he is inaugurated it is over, even if provable widespread corruption is found (and not directly linked to Biden) they won't upset the apple cart and revoke his presidency.

There is no automatic mechanism for undoing a Biden election/presidency, but there never was one to begin with. If "widespread corruption" is found in the election process and can be shown to go back to Biden & Harris then the solution would be impeachment.

And there would be plenty of support for doing so if there is in fact "widespread" corruption in the process that can be shown to have been coordinated.

Even if there isn't, the dems would lose their asses in the midterms and likely control of the House, which would mean they could be impeached at that point.
Whether Harris knew about it or not is irrelevant as she did not receive a single vote. If Biden is impeached on the basis of election fraud, she will be as well. Proving Joe knew about it wouldn't be that hard, either. Just ask him.

He's already stated that he didn't need people to vote for him, just their support after he was elected. (That's tongue-in-cheek but has truth as well as he said it.)
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pagerman @ work said:

BQ78 said:

Unfortunately once he is inaugurated it is over, even if provable widespread corruption is found (and not directly linked to Biden) they won't upset the apple cart and revoke his presidency.

There is no automatic mechanism for undoing a Biden election/presidency, but there never was one to begin with. If "widespread corruption" is found in the election process and can be shown to go back to Biden & Harris then the solution would be impeachment.

And there would be plenty of support for doing so if there is in fact "widespread" corruption in the process that can be shown to have been coordinated.

Even if there isn't, the dems would lose their asses in the midterms and likely control of the House, which would mean they could be impeached at that point.
I think every president will be impeached moving forward until we have some sort of financial collapse. One that cannot be propped up with monopoly money.
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I'd like to believe that but the Democrats will scream nothing to see this is Russian misinformation and of course the mass media will provide cover and most Americans will be staring at their cell phone and won't care.
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pagerman @ work said:

captkirk said:

will25u said:


This seems like a big deal


Until I see heads rolling (figuratively) I don't believe a word these talking heads spit out of their mouth.
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And then the bipartisan senate special committee on intelligence met and confirmed most everything, but trump fans were already indoctrinated
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VanZandt92 said:

And then the bipartisan senate special committee on intelligence met and confirmed most everything, but trump fans were already indoctrinated


Senate Special Committee on Intelligence. What an oxymoron.

Same committee whose security chief leaked a classified document for getting laid? The on whicg had a Senator who had a "Chinese spy" as a driver? That committee?
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will25u said:


Hopefully this would be the correct legal term for this situation, habemus in te magnum stercore, because if it isn't it will describe the rest of us.
NO AMNESTY!

in order for democrats, liberals, progressives et al to continue their illogical belief systems they have to pretend not to know a lot of things; by pretending "not to know" there is no guilt, no actual connection to conscience. Denial of truth allows easier trespass.
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As Keegan pointed out in another thread today. It doesn't matter if the DA and Judges are democrats
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I have to go to Houston with Beau tmrw for MD Anderson check up. Some thoughts after doing some research. And some further thoughts on organization going forward.

1. Poroshenko appears to be the likely next President. Determining our teams relationship with him is important. He is credible with the west and by all accounts a true reformer (by Uk standards).

2. Some sort of decentralization will likely occur in the East. If it doesn't the Russians will continue to escalate there destabilization campaign, which could lead to a full scale take over of the eastern region most critically Donetsk. The strategic value is to create a land bridge for RU to Crimea.

3. That won't directly affect Burisma holdings but it will limit future Uk exploration and utilization of offshore opportunities in particular.

4. It will also result in further destabilization of Uk nationally and for whatever govt is in power. And the US will respond with even stronger sanctions. Those sanctions will threaten the tenuous support of the EU which does not have the political will to incur steep energy price increases.

5. Which will result in further price increases on RU gas to the Uk.

6. The IMF loan guarantees will allow the Uks to weather the economic impact, but the required reforms to Uk public subsidies will weaken the new President.

7. There will be enormous pressure on Burisma to lower prices for the national good. Even if the company takes a hit in profits it would seem imprudent to raise prices in convert with RU price gouging.

8. Burisma has an opportunity here to play the hero if it ignores the artificial market value of their product and plays to the national interest.

9. Kazakstan could play a pivotal role by providing gas at rates lower than what the RUs are asking but I doubt they would want to poke the Bear.

10. The pipelines across Uk are the key to all of this. But if the Uks shut down the pipeline they also shut down 60% of their energy supply and put a strangle on EU supplies from RU which the EU will never accept (b/c they are *******).

11. There is no immediate supplier solution to replace RU. Even if Burisma increased output from their reserves by 100% it would - 1, take at least two years and 2, Uk would still be about 35% short of their needed gas supplies.

12. Our guy needs to set himself up as the anti- Victor Pinchuk (coal and steel oligarchpro Russian Yanukuvich supporter).

13. The best way to weather the storm btw now an elections is to throw all in with the chocolate king. Even if he looses to Tymosheko (unlikely per polls as of today) Poroshenko is a safe ally that could help protect him from the vultures of the moment. Additionally you me and Alex should reconnect with the boxer and help gain his support of our guy.

14. And it is the moment (btw now and Elections) that he needs to weather. If he is seen as unfairly profiting from the RU induced price spike things could turn against him fast.

15. The Burisma website or press releases should talk about how Burisma as the largest independent is committed to supplying Uk industry with as much power at a fair price as possible during this crisis with an emphasis on utilizing the best technologies and world class team to ensure increased production and domestic delivery post haste.

16. We can actually be of real value here. Developing relationships, bringing US expertise to the company, supplying strategic advice on politics and geopolitical risk assesment.

17. BSF can actually have direct discussions at state, energy and NSC. They can devise a media plan and arrange for legal protections and mitigate US domestic negative press regarding the current leadership if need be.


18. The announcement of my guys upcoming travels should be characterized as part of our advice and thinking- but what he will say and do is out of our hands. In other words it could be a really good thing or it could end up creating too great an expectation. We need to temper expectations regarding that visit.

19. We need to ask for long term agreement and across the board participation. This is a huge step for us that could easily become very complicated. And if we are not protected financially regardless of the outcome we could find ourselves frozen out of a lot of current and future opportunities.

20. To that end they need to know in no uncertain terms that we will not and cannot intervene directly with domestic policy makers, and that we need to abide by FARA and any other US laws in the strictest sense across the board.

21. The contract should begin now- not after the upcoming visit of my guy. That should include a retainer in the range of 25k p/m w/ additional fees where appropriate for more in depth work to go to BSF for our protection. Complete separate from our respective deals re board participation.

22. Buy a cell phone from a 7/11 or CVS tmrw and ill do the same. This could be the break we have been waiting for if they really are smart enough to understand our long term value. If they are looking to just use us until the storm passes then we risked far too much for far too little. We could be invaluable in expanding their operations outside Uk by promoting their US partnerships and expertise- whether that's China, Mexico, other parts of the Black Sea, Poland etc...


Finally, we need to have a plan on how we develop a corporate entity or LLP that allows us to draw on funds generated here to free us from existing (under-producing current commitments) and to build our own investment and expansion strategy. Maintaining the status quo is not an option.

We can preserve our interest in the areas where minimal involvement is appropriate but should not get greedy and try to keep all the balls in the air that exist today. RCP, RSTP, BHRT all make sense and can co-exist and progress without our day to day oversight.

But Advisors and the BD need a transition plan. I am assuming that by making this move it will require us to be traveling extensively and actually earning our keep. If that's not the case then we will know we are being used in a way that's not appropriate.

BHRT will be our only other major time commitment (and Realty). But from my discussions with Jimmy I'm a little concerned that their strategy of marketing a soft commitment from BOC is not going to get the job done.

We had assurances that the PRC money would come first and we would build on that. Right now I don't see that happening. If they want us in Beijing once a month and pitching this outside PRC we should be getting paid in advance just like every other team member thats getting a salary.

We should be hiring people like Jim Lee to work east Asia and Australia and our new 3rd party marketer here in the states to do the heavy lifting if she is interested. We should also find someone of similar capabilities to do the same in Europe. We should also find a highly credible and discreet firm to perform due diligence and deep information for us on an ongoing basis. The kind of people that can get us information that's not available through a google search and some phone calls. We can use our own funds to pay for it and I'm sure your buddies down in Little Creek have some trusted independent contacts that do that sort of work. Thoughts?
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-12/BidenArcher4-13-14.pdf

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In the weeks before he landed a deal with a Ukrainian gas company in 2014, Hunter Biden strategized with his business partner on how to leverage an upcoming official trip to Kiev by his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to clinch the lucrative arrangement, according to emails obtained a year ago by the FBI.

The communications reviewed by Just the News show that the younger Biden referred to his father as "my guy" and took credit for "adding value" because the vice president made comments to Ukrainian leaders about natural gas production that might benefit his new client.


The memos also show how Hunter Biden pressed to get Burisma Holdings to sign some sort of consulting deal with him and his business partner Devon Archer before the U.S. vice president visited Ukraine on April 21-22, 2014.

"The contract should begin now not after the upcoming visit of my guy," Hunter Biden wrote Archer in a detailed strategy email on April 13, 2014, a week before his father's high-profile visit.

Records previously obtained by Just the News show Burisma paid Boies Schiller Flexner a $250,000 retainer on July 5, 2014 as well as more than $3 million between 2014 and 2016 to a firm connected to Archer and Hunter Biden called Rosemont Seneca Bohais.


The emails were provided to the FBI last December as part of a laptop hard drive believed to belong to Hunter Biden that had been left at a repair shop in Delaware. The shop owner, John Paul Mac Isaac, turned over a copy of the hard drive to agents under a federal grand jury subpoena.

Mac Isaac's lawyer, Brian Della Rocca, confirmed to Just the News on Tuesday that the emails detailing Hunter Biden's efforts to land the Burisma deal in 2014 were on the hard drive turned over to the FBI.
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A senior law enforcement official told Just the News that the FBI is treating the laptop as evidence and in some cases has corroborated information on it from other sources, including cooperating witnesses and other data repositories.
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"Other data repositories"?? NSA? That's a lot to unpack but seems to me Hunter had a lot of possibly classified information whether from State Department or his Dad . Also seems to me Hunter knew the IMF loan was a bad deal that would weaken the new President of Ukraine, Poroshenko putting Biden in a better position for leverage with the loan guarantees. No way there isn't some coordination there somewhere. And buying burner phones? Yeah, nothing to see there.
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FCPA...
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MouthBQ98 said:

FCPA...
Yes and of course it's been available the whole time. Nothing is ever going to be done. If DoJ was that corrupt under Trump, just imagine how unlikely any declassification/prosecution/actual charges are going to be in a few weeks against anything related to the CCP-Dems.
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SIAP, but Clinesmith's sentencing has been delayed.

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A judge delayed the sentencing of a former FBI lawyer ensnared in special counsel John Durham's criminal inquiry into the Russia investigation until after Inauguration Day.

Kevin Clinesmith, who pleaded guilty in August to falsifying a document related to the secret surveillance of 2016 Trump campaign aide Carter Page, now faces a sentencing date of Jan. 29, more than a week after President-elect Joe Biden is set to take office.

Durham, the top federal prosecutor in Connecticut, asked U.S. District Judge James Boasberg of the D.C. District to sentence Clinesmith to as many as six months in prison to "send a message that people like the defendant an attorney in a position of trust who others relied upon will face serious consequences if they commit crimes that result in material misstatements or omissions to a court."

Clinesmith's lawyer requested probation and community service for his client, arguing a more lenient sentence would be a "just punishment," as the fired FBI lawyer's "reputation has been ruined, his professional career is in shambles, and he has been unable to support his family financially at a time when he and his wife are expecting their first child."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fbi-lawyer-durham-judge-sentencing-biden

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You could probably send about 1/3 of congress to jail for it at some point over their careers if you went with a strict interpretation of it.
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Six months isn't a serious consequence.
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Wall of words with 0 crimes or malfeasance. Classic Gateway Pundit tactic.
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TRM said:

Six months isn't a serious consequence.
Not for you or I, we'd get several years. But neither of us are in the political swamp with a D after our names.

<sigh> The last four years (especially the last two months) have truly shaken my faith in this country continuing as a constitutional republic. The rule of law means nothing anymore. Nothing, except to plebeians like us.
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TRM said:

Six months isn't a serious consequence.
Hopefully his being found liable in the civil suit will hurt equally as well..
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Speaking of, I thought I saw a headline someplace today saying the judge in AZ isn't going to enforce the subpoena on the machines. Now, I can't find it. If that's true, it will fit right in with your "last two months" concerns.

BTW, I've had similar feelings like that, but they generally pass since it's an awful feeling, and I have no control. The only thing I know for sure, is the future nearly always turns out in a much different way than I thought it would. Believe me, that's a good thing since early November.
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will25u said:



Good for him. Notable criminals who did not have their doors kicked in during the middle of the night:
- Hillary Clinton
- Hunter Biden
- Comey
- Strzok
- Page
- POS FBI attorney who altered CIA e-mail
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Roger Stone just looking for attention. This is pretty funny though:

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Stone said on Parler that he was going to add former Attorney General William Barr, who resigned on Wednesday, to the lawsuit, saying that he would "handle his cross-examination personally."
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No posts in 4 days, huh?

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