That is some truly scary *****

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Marie Yovanovitch knew much more about Burisma than what she revealed in her testimony


Lying to Congress? To paraphrase Lanny Davis: if it's a crime for Roger Stone, it's a crime for Maria Yovanovitch.

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Unfortunately, no. Democratics get complete immunization from legal consequences.

Running out the clock.

Barr cleared the CIA in all of this.

Is the US Marshals service an option? Can they be trusted?

Didn't "see anything" is not an official document absolving them of any wrongdoing. And as far as I know, when was Barr, himself, officially investigating the CIA?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/us/politics/william-barr-cia-russia-investigation.html

If no one is investigating then any more, does it practically matter if there's no "official document" absolving them?

Clearing someone is not the same as not checking into someone because there is nothing overt. Result is the same, however.

Interesting information from B. Cates

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Ratcliffe have revealed since last October:

• All the major Spygate scandal players knew by September, 2016 that the Trump/Russia collusion narrative being peddled to them by various political operatives was coming straight from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Handwritten notes by CIA Director John Brennan show he briefed President Obama on the Clinton dirty tricks campaign on July 28, 2017.
• U.S. Attorney John Durham started his Spygate-related investigationslikely related to the leaking campaigns engaged in by the plottersin April, 2017.
• Durham was assigned to investigate the coordinated Spygate leaking campaigns inside the FBI by Rosenstein because Sessions had recused himself from all Trump/Russia and 2016 election-related matters on March 2, 2017, more than a month before Durham was tasked to begin investigating.
• Rosenstein was already overseeing Durham's Spygate leak investigation before James Comey was fired and the Mueller Special Counsel was formed in May, 2017.
• Lead Crossfire Hurricane agent Peter Strzok is seen in a text message discussing multiple other federal counterintelligence investigations targeting Trump and associates for Russian collusion before Crossfire launched on July 31, 2016.
• None of these other multiple counterintelligence cases targeting Trump had been publicly revealed before.
• Durham's Special Counsel Office is already investigating these long-hidden counterintelligence cases. They can only be declassified if letting the public know about them would not interfere with Durham's ongoing work.

Of course, the biggest revelation of the new declassifications is that the entire time he was overseeing the Trump/Russia-related Mueller Special Counsel's investigation of the President, Rosenstein was also overseeing a Trump/Russia investigation being led by Durham.

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I have no idea what to believe on this train of thought. I thoroughly enjoy disliking Rosenstein, so news like this makes me sad. Besides, it's really hard for me to believe Rosy acted for the correct reasons for once.

It became clear that Rosenstein was not a "black hat" even the story came out that he was trying to get the cabinet to overthrow Trump. Rosenstein was summoned to White House, and left with his job intact.

Not to say he's a good guy hero or anything, more like a career bureaucrat nerd

BMX Bandit said:

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It became clear that Rosenstein was not a "black hat" even the story came out that he was trying to get the cabinet to overthrow Trump. Rosenstein was summoned to White House, and left with his job intact.

Not to say he's a good guy hero or anything, more like a career bureaucrat nerd

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Riding that fulcrum he had to ride during that time would be incredibly difficult for anyone.

"Carrer beureaucrat nerd" is probably too nice. I'd certainly never recommend him for the musketeers, as he seems to be all for one, and one for one.

fasthorse05 said:

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Ratcliffe have revealed since last October:

• All the major Spygate scandal players knew by September, 2016 that the Trump/Russia collusion narrative being peddled to them by various political operatives was coming straight from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Handwritten notes by CIA Director John Brennan show he briefed President Obama on the Clinton dirty tricks campaign on July 28, 2017.
• U.S. Attorney John Durham started his Spygate-related investigationslikely related to the leaking campaigns engaged in by the plottersin April, 2017.
• Durham was assigned to investigate the coordinated Spygate leaking campaigns inside the FBI by Rosenstein because Sessions had recused himself from all Trump/Russia and 2016 election-related matters on March 2, 2017, more than a month before Durham was tasked to begin investigating.
• Rosenstein was already overseeing Durham's Spygate leak investigation before James Comey was fired and the Mueller Special Counsel was formed in May, 2017.
• Lead Crossfire Hurricane agent Peter Strzok is seen in a text message discussing multiple other federal counterintelligence investigations targeting Trump and associates for Russian collusion before Crossfire launched on July 31, 2016.
• None of these other multiple counterintelligence cases targeting Trump had been publicly revealed before.
• Durham's Special Counsel Office is already investigating these long-hidden counterintelligence cases. They can only be declassified if letting the public know about them would not interfere with Durham's ongoing work.

Of course, the biggest revelation of the new declassifications is that the entire time he was overseeing the Trump/Russia-related Mueller Special Counsel's investigation of the President, Rosenstein was also overseeing a Trump/Russia investigation being led by Durham.

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I'm guessing Cates meant 2016.

BMX Bandit said:

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It became clear that Rosenstein was not a "black hat" even the story came out that he was trying to get the cabinet to overthrow Trump. Rosenstein was summoned to White House, and left with his job intact.

Not to say he's a good guy hero or anything, more like a career bureaucrat nerd

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I'm still on the hook for Rosenstein being on the lighter side of the black/white hat divide, even if he's technically considered gray. I'm hoping time will bear me out, because everything so far tells me I'm just a dolt when it comes to assessing people.

The primary evidence that sold me on his being welcome in the Trump admin was his send-off.

Hmm. All I can say is if Durham has been investigating since April 2017, he's either pretty incompetent or he's building a huge conspiracy case involving a lot of people.

aggiehawg said:

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Hmm. All I can say is if Durham has been investigating since April 2017, he's either pretty incompetent or he's building a huge conspiracy case involving a lot of people.

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I'm hoping for a unicorn to be delivered through the chimney by a fat man in a red suit on Friday morning

BMX Bandit said:

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I'm hoping for a unicorn to be delivered through the chimney by a fat man in a red suit on Sunday morning

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I hope we each get what we want! Merry Christmas, one and all!

That would be two days late but much sooner than the Durham report.

Ha!

aggiehawg said:

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Hmm. All I can say is if Durham has been investigating since April 2017, he's either pretty incompetent or he's building a huge conspiracy case involving a lot of people.

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Actually, you bring up a good point. I've seen some twisting of words on this topic. I think the leaking was from April 2017, but I'm not sure when Durham is actually alleged to have been investigating.

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• U.S. Attorney John Durham started his Spygate-related investigations--likely related to the leaking campaigns engaged in by the plotters--in April, 2017.

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I know Cates is saying April 2017, but I've also seen that's when the leaking occurred. I'm guessing it's unlikely Durham was tasked with investigating something the month it happened.





ETA: Also, a little bit of advanced Twitter searching turned this up...

I remember there being a document that basically laid out the fact that Durham has been active since a few months after the inauguration, but I'm still unable to find that.

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I know Cates is saying April 2017, but I've also seen that's when the leaking occurred. I'm guessing it's unlikely Durham was tasked with investigating something the month it happened.

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Well, remember when Trump announced they had been wiretapping him and everybody flipped the hell out denying it? His phone conversations with foreign leaders were being leaked very early in his administration and I'd wager there was pressure to investigate that, only couldn't be anyone in DC because it would have leaked out.

So that I can understand.

Misread

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BMX Bandit said:

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It became clear that Rosenstein was not a "black hat" even the story came out that he was trying to get the cabinet to overthrow Trump. Rosenstein was summoned to White House, and left with his job intact.

Not to say he's a good guy hero or anything, more like a career bureaucrat nerd

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I'm still on the hook for Rosenstein being on the lighter side of the black/white hat divide, even if he's technically considered gray. I'm hoping time will bear me out, because everything so far tells me I'm just a dolt when it comes to assessing people.

The primary evidence that sold me on his being welcome in the Trump admin was his send-off.

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In my world, there is white and non-white. Everything else is not to be trusted. Trump seems to have a fatal flaw of trusting the wrong people

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I wouldn't get too distracted by that. Durham had been tasked with highly sensitive public corruption cases as an Assistant AUSA in the past.

BMX Bandit said:

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I'm hoping for a unicorn to be delivered through the chimney by a fat man in a red suit on Friday morning

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What color?

ravingfans said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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I'm hoping for a unicorn to be delivered through the chimney by a fat man in a red suit on Friday morning

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What color?

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Prison suit orange, please.

Is POTUS going around Barr? Or was Barr dragging his feet?

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This seems like a big deal