Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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Can I go to sleep Looch?
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I totally agree! Drain the swamp!!!
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DOJ joins General Flynn in his mandamus filing.

Looking for information.

ETA: Can't find anything, might be #FAKENEWS.
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aggiehawg said:

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That last paragraph also. Sheesh. I bet Congress can't wait for that guy to leave.
Ratcliffe gets sworn in today.
So any guesses what Grenell gets tasked with next?
NO AMNESTY!

in order for democrats, liberals, progressives et al to continue their illogical belief systems they have to pretend not to know a lot of things; by pretending "not to know" there is no guilt, no actual connection to conscience. Denial of truth allows easier trespass.
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rab79 said:

aggiehawg said:

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That last paragraph also. Sheesh. I bet Congress can't wait for that guy to leave.
Ratcliffe gets sworn in today.
So any guesses what Grenell gets tasked with next?
Hopefully the dadgum FBI.
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Richard Grenell has declassified a new batch of Russia probe documents on his way out as acting director of national intelligence, leaving the decision on whether to make those files public up to newly sworn-in Director John Ratcliffe.

The documents include transcripts of phone calls that then-incoming National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak had in December 2016, during the presidential transition period. Grenell said publicly last week that he was in the process of declassifying those files, after House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., asked that he do so.
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rab79 said:

aggiehawg said:

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That last paragraph also. Sheesh. I bet Congress can't wait for that guy to leave.
Ratcliffe gets sworn in today.
So any guesses what Grenell gets tasked with next?
He's leaving his post as Ambassador to Germany, so have no idea where Trump will put him next. Maybe National Security Council? NSC could stand a good cleaning.
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Secolobo said:


I've learned a lot of names in the last three years. Dan Jones is one I've learned to intensely dislike, we're talking Valerie Jarrett dislike.

Honestly, I don't have an enormous issue with the folks who just have plain hate for Trump. That kind of emotion will get you busted once you make a mistake, and everyone does with hate. Don't misunderstand me, I want these folks indicted, and hung out to dry, which I think will happen.

The guys/women I REALLY enjoy getting their comeuppance are the guys like Jones. If you ever did any research on the *******, he's very bright, knows who's doing what and where, and probably doesn't hate as much as enjoy manipulating and using others.



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I'm sure Ciarmarella and Vindman types would just LOVE to see Grenell in the NSC!
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I read somewhere today that when McMaster came into the NSC he asked Susan Rice for a good assistant. She recommended Ciaramella.
Maroon and White always! EKU/TAMU
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An article discussing Kislyak being part of the setup:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/05/25/the-curious-flynn-kislyak-call-gets-curiouser/
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fasthorse05 said:

I'm sure Ciarmarella and Vindman types would just LOVE to see Grenell in the NSC!
I think the NSC or the FBI would be good landing places. Although he could just do acting director stints take three months clean as much trash as possible and Trump can bring someone else long term.

All the federal agencies would grow to hate him and he might need his own secret service detail, but we might get a little of the swamp drained.
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Having Grenell in the roll of "acting whatever position" sure does streamline and expedite the confirmation of his replacement. The democrats can't wait to get him out of there.
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Stressboy said:

An article discussing Kislyak being part of the setup:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/05/25/the-curious-flynn-kislyak-call-gets-curiouser/
Very good article and furthers the old adage of Dems will accuse you of what they themselves are doing.

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The gregarious and English-proficient Russian was quite the man about town. He met with top Obama advisors, including Susan Rice, at the White House twice in October 2016, oddly, at the same time Obama was accusing the Kremlin of attempting to meddle in the election.

Kislyak was the keynote speaker at the Detroit Economic Club on October 26, 2016. And two days after the election, Kislyak spoke at Stanford University with Mike McFaul. The two gushed over each other; it was hardly an appropriate display considering Kislyak represented a country that had just "attacked" our democracy.
It's almost as if the Dems were, dare I say it, colluding with the Russians.
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Prosperdick said:

Stressboy said:

An article discussing Kislyak being part of the setup:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/05/25/the-curious-flynn-kislyak-call-gets-curiouser/
Very good article and furthers the old adage of Dems will accuse you of what they themselves are doing.

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The gregarious and English-proficient Russian was quite the man about town. He met with top Obama advisors, including Susan Rice, at the White House twice in October 2016, oddly, at the same time Obama was accusing the Kremlin of attempting to meddle in the election.

Kislyak was the keynote speaker at the Detroit Economic Club on October 26, 2016. And two days after the election, Kislyak spoke at Stanford University with Mike McFaul. The two gushed over each other; it was hardly an appropriate display considering Kislyak represented a country that had just "attacked" our democracy.
It's almost as if the Dems were, dare I say it, colluding with the Russians.
One thing in that article that I disagree with is the statement that the NSA didn't have a standing FISA on him. I believe they did, which in turn means the NSA would have a record of his conversations, texts, emails if Kislyak was "recruited" to contact Flynn.
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So when did Kislyak get approached? It would not be via electronic comms. I doubt there would be any evidence of that discussion.
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Richard Grenell has declassified a new batch of Russia probe documents on his way out as acting director of national intelligence, leaving the decision on whether to make those files public up to newly sworn-in Director John Ratcliffe.

The documents include transcripts of phone calls that then-incoming National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak had in December 2016, during the presidential transition period. Grenell said publicly last week that he was in the process of declassifying those files, after House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., asked that he do so.

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Fox News has learned that Grenell also completed the declassification review of other documents related to the origins of the Russia probe including one that a senior intelligence official told Fox News was "very significant in understanding how intelligence was manipulated to support launching the Russia investigation."

Fox News has learned that Grenell also completed the declassification review of other documents related to the origins of the Russia probe including one that a senior intelligence official told Fox News was "very significant in understanding how intelligence was manipulated to support launching the Russia investigation."
Not just about Flynn.
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Prosperdick said:

Stressboy said:

An article discussing Kislyak being part of the setup:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/05/25/the-curious-flynn-kislyak-call-gets-curiouser/
Very good article and furthers the old adage of Dems will accuse you of what they themselves are doing.

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The gregarious and English-proficient Russian was quite the man about town. He met with top Obama advisors, including Susan Rice, at the White House twice in October 2016, oddly, at the same time Obama was accusing the Kremlin of attempting to meddle in the election.

Kislyak was the keynote speaker at the Detroit Economic Club on October 26, 2016. And two days after the election, Kislyak spoke at Stanford University with Mike McFaul. The two gushed over each other; it was hardly an appropriate display considering Kislyak represented a country that had just "attacked" our democracy.
It's almost as if the Dems were, dare I say it, colluding with the Russians.


Sidney's take.
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drcrinum said:

Prosperdick said:

Stressboy said:

An article discussing Kislyak being part of the setup:

https://amgreatness.com/2020/05/25/the-curious-flynn-kislyak-call-gets-curiouser/
Very good article and furthers the old adage of Dems will accuse you of what they themselves are doing.

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The gregarious and English-proficient Russian was quite the man about town. He met with top Obama advisors, including Susan Rice, at the White House twice in October 2016, oddly, at the same time Obama was accusing the Kremlin of attempting to meddle in the election.

Kislyak was the keynote speaker at the Detroit Economic Club on October 26, 2016. And two days after the election, Kislyak spoke at Stanford University with Mike McFaul. The two gushed over each other; it was hardly an appropriate display considering Kislyak represented a country that had just "attacked" our democracy.
It's almost as if the Dems were, dare I say it, colluding with the Russians.


Sidney's take.
Yup...the "pest" Kislyak couldn't even wait for the sanctions before he started texting Flynn. Luckily for Flynn he didn't return the text or they likely would have included that into the ridiculous Logan Act violation.

I give Flynn immense props, if I was setup like that I would be screaming from the rooftops (unless they threatened my children...oh wait).
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If Van Grack made an arse of Sullivan by misleading him, are there any legal repercussions?

Aegrescit medendo
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Wildcat said:

If Van Grack made an arse of Sullivan by misleading him, are there any legal repercussions?


The Sullivan of old would have hammered him. Today's version of Sullivan apparently enjoys being made an arse.
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aggiehawg said:

Wildcat said:

If Van Grack made an arse of Sullivan by misleading him, are there any legal repercussions?


The Sullivan of old would have hammered him. Today's version of Sullivan apparently enjoys being made an arse.

Or does Sullivan take the way out, laid before him, and begin to hold Van Grace accountable for everything? It's a fastball down the middle of the plate.
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Hhmm. Turkey, eh?
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aggiehawg said:




Hhmm. Turkey, eh?
every time a rock gets kicked a dozen more roaches run out from under it.
NO AMNESTY!

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Think it may be easier to identify the "allies" that weren't in on this collusion hoax.
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akm91 said:

Think it may be easier to identify the "allies" that weren't in on this collusion hoax.
I have long suspected that the Inovo deal with Flynn's company was a set-up. So when Papadop tweeted that, it got my attention.
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You know what has become obviously clear in all this sleuthing and digging and uncovering? THE FOREST!

The old phrase "you can't see the forest because of the trees" can most definitely by applied here!

So what is the forsest? Simple, it is very clear that

Russia, China, Europe, Canada, Iran, UK, Australia, and on and on, most definietly did not want Donald Trump as president of the US!

And the other aspect is that the number of bribed and compromised politicians, judegs law enforcement agencies and media and control extremely rich globalist had over our nation across the board was astonishing!

I mean this is extremely clear, unquestionably clear! All of these would do anything to keep DJT from being reelected, and what does that mean? It means that Trump is the only one who has Americans and the nation at heart. THE ONLY ONE!

If we get through these next 6 months without a full violent revolution it will be a miracle of the grace of GOD!
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Change of topic.

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When President Donald Trump fired Intelligence Community (IC) Inspector General (IG) Michael Atkinson in April, Atkinson claimed the president fired him for duly passing on the report of the Ukraine "whistleblower" to Congress the report that led to Trump's impeachment and urged whistleblowers to speak out. According to Pedro Orta, a former CIA agent and whistleblower who allegedly faced multiple rounds of retaliation for attempting to expose abuse of power at a CIA base in 2015, Trump was right to fire Atkinson and the former IC IG's posturing on whistleblowers conflicts with his record of suppressing claims of retaliation.

Orta called the source that led to Trump's impeachment the "so-called Ukraine whistleblower" because he was not a whistleblower as defined by the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA) and because his report did not concern "intelligence activities," so it did not fall under Atkinson's authority.

"What IG Atkinson basically did was to weaponize the ICWPA law and the authorities of the IC IG to willfully target President Trump with baseless charges to seek his removal," Orta told PJ Media. "That alone was more than enough to fire IG Atkinson."

Orta also argued that the so-called whistleblower's coordination with Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) also raises concerns. "First, the process was literally illegally 'weaponized' to go after the president. Schiff gave protection, status, and time to take in allegations that suited his political agenda using the ICWPA for politics and the IC IG as a political puppet to impeach President Trump," the former CIA agent explained. "The so-called Ukraine whistleblower received immediate attention and protection while real IC whistleblowers are shunned and ignored by Congress allowing the IC to run over the real IC whistleblowers as roadkill."
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Worse, Orta explained that "typically, the IC will threaten to revoke the clearance and take serious administrative actions against any IC employee who has direct contact with Congress. When my attorney sought to send [documents] to Congress in June/July 2017 a rep from the CIA [Office of Congressional Affairs] reminded me of administrative penalties and sanctions I would suffer if I had direct communication with Congress." CIA policies prohibit direct employee contact with Congress.

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On June 28, 2018, the CIA informed Orta that his clearance was revoked and he would be fired on September 26. He appealed to Atkinson, who had become IC IG in May 2018, asking to be put on leave without pay for one year and then being allowed to retire and receive his pension after that. His request was denied.

"When I was informed that I had been terminated, I reached out to IG Atkinson calling him on his own telephone number and leaving him a voicemail," Orta told PJ Media. "The response was that I need to file an ICWPA using the ICWPA form attached."

He had filed a report in May 2017, then followed up in June after receiving no response. Atkinson told him to refile in July 2018. After he did so, he received no response until January 23, 2019, when authorities again asked him to refile his report. When he filed whistleblower retaliation reports in February and March 2019, citing the same information as he had reported many times before, the office of inspector general told him that "since I was no longer employed, I had no right to file an ICWPA."
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Atkinson sucks.
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aggiehawg said:

Wildcat said:

If Van Grack made an arse of Sullivan by misleading him, are there any legal repercussions?


The Sullivan of old would have hammered him. Today's version of Sullivan apparently enjoys being made an arse.
I was thinking about Sullivan and his 37 years yesterday. From those of you who are either aware of Sullivan's history, or actually know the history, his behavior appears to be something that just happened on the Flynn trial.


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The Sullivan of old would have hammered him

First, the FISA judge Contreras backs out, then Sullivan comes along and turns into a legal zombie. If what I think has happened, then anyone associated with Flynn, and all others involved, will change their behavior. I certainly don't believe everyone is being paid off, but I do believe use of the massive US surveillance has been used on hundreds of DC Spygate participants. Not everyone has massive skeletons in the closet.

Assuming we find out there are "coercive" incentive among judges, won't there be a massive uprising for past cases to be reviewed? I always thought Sullivan was fine, UNTIL the name Flynn appeared.
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fasthorse05 said:

aggiehawg said:

Wildcat said:

If Van Grack made an arse of Sullivan by misleading him, are there any legal repercussions?


The Sullivan of old would have hammered him. Today's version of Sullivan apparently enjoys being made an arse.
I was thinking about Sullivan and his 37 years yesterday. From those of you who are either aware of Sullivan's history, or actually know the history, his behavior appears to be something that just happened on the Flynn trial.


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The Sullivan of old would have hammered him

First, the FISA judge Contreras backs out, then Sullivan comes along and turns into a legal zombie. If what I think has happened, then anyone associated with Flynn, and all others involved, will change their behavior. I certainly don't believe everyone is being paid off, but I do believe use of the massive US surveillance has been used on hundreds of DC Spygate participants. Not everyone has massive skeletons in the closet.

Assuming we find out there are "coercive" incentive among judges, won't there be a massive uprising for past cases to be reviewed? I always thought Sullivan was fine, UNTIL the name Flynn appeared.
I posted this in the Flynn exoneration thread but how ironic would it be if they threatened to release compromising material on Sullivan's son...gee Sullivan, when someone threatens your children you tend to do stuff you never would before, like plead guilty to a false charge.
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fasthorse05 said:

aggiehawg said:

Wildcat said:

If Van Grack made an arse of Sullivan by misleading him, are there any legal repercussions?


The Sullivan of old would have hammered him. Today's version of Sullivan apparently enjoys being made an arse.
I was thinking about Sullivan and his 37 years yesterday. From those of you who are either aware of Sullivan's history, or actually know the history, his behavior appears to be something that just happened on the Flynn trial.


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The Sullivan of old would have hammered him

First, the FISA judge Contreras backs out, then Sullivan comes along and turns into a legal zombie. If what I think has happened, then anyone associated with Flynn, and all others involved, will change their behavior. I certainly don't believe everyone is being paid off, but I do believe use of the massive US surveillance has been used on hundreds of DC Spygate participants. Not everyone has massive skeletons in the closet.

Assuming we find out there are "coercive" incentive among judges, won't there be a massive uprising for past cases to be reviewed? I always thought Sullivan was fine, UNTIL the name Flynn appeared.
False. He "was recused." A week after accepting the guilty plea. He didn't back out himself. Supposedly Roberts (who is unquestionably compromised) found out about his friendship and disclosed communications with Sztrok who bragged about it to his love bird but...no, Rudy didn't just back out.

It's a matter of controlling the damage, not doing the right thing. After all, they just put Sullivan in as the 'judge.'
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Thanks.

I'm pretty sure Hawg has corrected me on that issue twice in the last two years. It''s really a big deal, and speaks to who Contreras is.

Sorry bout that!
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fasthorse05 said:

Thanks.

I'm pretty sure Hawg has corrected me on that issue twice in the last two years. It''s really a big deal, and speaks to who Contreras is.

Sorry bout that!

He's besties with this guy.



That's all you need to know.
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President Trump doesn't want the FISA laws passed.

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