Thanks, Vegas. My legal questions go to all attorneys, even though I quoted Hawg's post.

The Concord case seems like Mueller dropped a turd on the DOJ, and said "here, you guys deal with this". The DOJ finally found someone they can't bleed dry. Fancy that, a Russian oligarch.

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Hawg, do you think the prosecution team was incompetent, or were the DOJ lawyers fighting an uphill battle from the very beginning, and were forced to use risky legal maneuvers to keep the trial going forward?

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In the Concord case? Not incompetence as the indictment was secured solely for political reasons. Team Mueller never for one second believed it would see the inside of a court room. But one of Putin's besties, at Concord, decided to call their bluff and appeared to contest it. Then they were trapped and couldn't back down and save face. Making this move while everyone is consumed by CV news, DOJ decided to slink away.

If you are asking about the Flynn case, that was also politically motivated and also based on personal animus in the instance of Andrew McCabe. But because Flynn's first lawyers were in a conflict situation, he was given bad advice, in my view. But there's no question that Team Mueller were using essentially Gestapo type tactics on Flynn, his family and his lawyers.

Carter Page, with the CIA, involving China??? Whoa, where did this come from?

https://www.scribd.com/document/452403558/Primary-Sub-Source

Bravo! A case of internet sleuthing by 4 people (all of whom I follow) has identified Steele's Primary Sub-source.
Worth a read. (The article was peer reviewed by at least 2 entities, & I been waiting for days for it to appear.)

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https://www.scribd.com/document/452403558/Primary-Sub-Source

Bravo! A case of internet sleuthing by 4 people (all of whom I follow) has identified Steele's Primary Sub-source.
Worth a read. (The article was peer reviewed by at least 2 entities, & I been waiting for days for it to appear.)

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It all seems to point back to Ukraine, even though they keep saying that is a conspiracy theory

How can the DOJ just drop the Concord case? I mean, they had 2 GB of ads in Russian as evidence.

AggieHawg's analysis during that period was outstanding and proven to be correct.

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https://www.scribd.com/document/452403558/Primary-Sub-Source

Bravo! A case of internet sleuthing by 4 people (all of whom I follow) has identified Steele's Primary Sub-source.
Worth a read. (The article was peer reviewed by at least 2 entities, & I been waiting for days for it to appear.)

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It all seems to point back to Ukraine, even though they keep saying that is a conspiracy theory

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This is really important I think. If it is true that Steele's Primary Sub-source was Ukrainian, then this blows not only the impeachment move out of the water, but it also drags in Alexandria Chalupa & the DNC with their Manafort Black Ledger, etc.

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How can the DOJ just drop the Concord case? I mean, they had 2 GB of ads in Russian as evidence.

AggieHawg's analysis during that period was outstanding and proven to be correct.

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Thanks but Team Mueller's antics were so ridiculous a second year law student would have made the same analysis.

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Answer: No Schiff does not have sovereign immunity nor Congressional immunity. The only way he could legally access those records is with an Article III warrant. Further if he was briefed by a member of the IC on those records, he was most likely also prohibited from publicly releasing them as the way they were accessed by the IC would have gone through a FISA court or a 702 query. Again, classified information.

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This is really important I think. If it is true that Steele's Primary Sub-source was Ukrainian, then this blows not only the impeachment move out of the water, but it also drags in Alexandria Chalupa & the DNC with their Manafort Black Ledger, etc.

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Aaaannd, Ciaramella. Don't forget him.

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This is really important I think. If it is true that Steele's Primary Sub-source was Ukrainian, then this blows not only the impeachment move out of the water, but it also drags in Alexandria Chalupa & the DNC with their Manafort Black Ledger, etc.

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Aaaannd, Ciaramella. Don't forget him.

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Aaaannd, I assume B. Mueller is still a POS??????

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How can the DOJ just drop the Concord case? I mean, they had 2 GB of ads in Russian as evidence.

AggieHawg's analysis during that period was outstanding and proven to be correct.

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Thanks but Team Mueller's antics were so ridiculous a second year law student would have made the same analysis.

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I didn't go to law school but I did stay at a coronavirus-free Holiday Inn.

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How can the DOJ just drop the Concord case? I mean, they had 2 GB of ads in Russian as evidence.

AggieHawg's analysis during that period was outstanding and proven to be correct.

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Thanks but Team Mueller's antics were so ridiculous a second year law student would have made the same analysis.

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I didn't go to law school but I did stay at a coronavirus-free Holiday Inn.

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I'd be willing to bet, if the defendant's attorney was standing in the courtroom to contest the charges, you wouldn't complain that it hadn't been properly served.

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I'd be willing to bet, if the defendant's attorney was standing in the courtroom to contest the charges, you wouldn't complain that it hadn't been properly served.

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Not exactly. There is what is called a Special Appearance wherein the lawyer is present to contest jurisdiction.

But Dubelier had already filed a notice of general appearance before he ever step foot in the courtroom. Team Mueller had advance notice of his general appearance and then made that idiotic argument regarding service of process, compounding the stupidity.

I know if seems like all agencies of the federal government have unlimited budgets, but I know they don't. My guess is this trial cost the DOJ a couple of million. I have no idea, but I DO have a general idea what attorneys fees are. I don't really care to much about Concord, as their fees were likely paid by an oligarch, but I do care about what seems to be a silly trial because Weissman didn't think anyone would fight. I use Weissman because I believe he called many of the shots.

Here's my question, do y'all know if this came under the special counsel budget, or the DOJ budget? It's essentially the same thing, but the DOJ can't just start having trials for the hell of it because someone will eventually say something about money.

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I know if seems like all agencies of the federal government have unlimited budgets, but I know they don't. My guess is this trial cost the DOJ a couple of million. I have no idea, but I DO have a general idea what attorneys fees are. I don't really care to much about Concord, as their fees were likely paid by an oligarch, but I do care about what seems to be a silly trial because Weissman didn't think anyone would fight. I use Weissman because I believe he called many of the shots.

Here's my question, do y'all know if this came under the special counsel budget, or the DOJ budget? It's essentially the same thing, but the DOJ can't just start having trials for the hell of it because someone will eventually say something about money.

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It was in Mueller's budget until they officially disbanded two months after the report was given to Barr. After that it came from the DC US Attorney's office budget.

You might recall Judge Ellis commenting during the pretrial proceedings in the Manafort case* that the EDVa wouldn't have had near the budget to prosecute Manafort that Team Mueller had. DOJ assesses budgets for each US Attorney's office in the country.

*Since this trial was in Virginia and not all of Team Mueller's lawyers were licensed in Virginia, they needed a lawyer from the EDVa's office to be present with them before Judge Ellis. Ellis commented on the public reports of Team Mueller having already spent between ten to twelve million dollars and asked that EDVa office attorney if his office would have had that kind of budget to go after Manafort. The answer was pretty close to a, "Hell no, we wouldn't have," as a lawyer can safely state before a federal judge.

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I'd be willing to bet, if the defendant's attorney was standing in the courtroom to contest the charges, you wouldn't complain that it hadn't been properly served.

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Not exactly. There is what is called a Special Appearance wherein the lawyer is present to contest jurisdiction.

But Dubelier had already filed a notice of general appearance before he ever step foot in the courtroom. Team Mueller had advance notice of his general appearance and then made that idiotic argument regarding service of process, compounding the stupidity.

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Right, that's why I said there to contest the charges. That's not a Special Appearance.

https://thesaker.is/donald-trumps-ukraine-server-how-the-fbi-and-odni-hacked-and-influenced-the-american-psyche/

Very long & complicated read (very confusing to me)...needs to be re-read 3-4 times to understand IMO. Written by an investigative US journalist residing in Ukraine.

Brief attempt at a summary -- there is a lot more in the article:
A group of Russian cyber criminals called Shaltay Boltay, who previously had fled to Ukraine, hacked the DNC server -- these were blackmailers with anti-Russian government motives, & their leader was later arrested by the Russian FSB & charged with treason -- this is the ONLY connection to Russia involving the DNC server hack...everything else is Ukraine. Shaltay Boltay also worked with other cyber groups in Ukraine that were affiliated with Ukrainian government intel (Cyber Alliance and CyberHunta) & who were very nationalistic -- one of their main goals was to disrupt Russia-US relations. Well, CyberHunta hacked Shaltay Boltay using Fancy Bear (sound familiar?). Well here the story becomes complicated because these Ukrainian intel services were also working hand in glove with US intel, Crowdstrike & Alexandra Chalupa/DNC. You can see where this is going regarding the Trump-Russian collusion saga. Not only that, but Comey & Mueller knew this, & Mueller only indicted Shaltay Boltay & peripheral small players, staying away from the pertinent Ukrainian intel services so as to protect the Obama Admin.

The above is only Part 1; the two reports to come will focus upon (Part 2) how the hackers were involved with the operation to indict/impeach Trump as well as to destroy Bernie Sanders' 2016 campaign & (Part 3) the complicit media.

Yeah but occams razor says your a conspiracy theorist! Thanks for the synopsis and all your work drcrinum.

Smart people need to realize the schemes of bad actors are complex beyond imagine and that when their plans get interrupted they adapt and do things in an even less straightforward fashion.

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https://thesaker.is/donald-trumps-ukraine-server-how-the-fbi-and-odni-hacked-and-influenced-the-american-psyche/

Very long & complicated read (very confusing to me)...needs to be re-read 3-4 times to understand IMO. Written by an investigative US journalist residing in Ukraine.

Brief attempt at a summary -- there is a lot more in the article:
A group of Russian cyber criminals called Shaltay Boltay, who previously had fled to Ukraine, hacked the DNC server -- these were blackmailers with anti-Russian government motives, & their leader was later arrested by the Russian FSB & charged with treason -- this is the ONLY connection to Russia involving the DNC server hack...everything else is Ukraine. Shaltay Boltay also worked with other cyber groups in Ukraine that were affiliated with Ukrainian government intel (Cyber Alliance and CyberHunta) & who were very nationalistic -- one of their main goals was to disrupt Russia-US relations. Well, CyberHunta hacked Shaltay Boltay using Fancy Bear (sound familiar?). Well here the story becomes complicated because these Ukrainian intel services were also working hand in glove with US intel, Crowdstrike & Alexandra Chalupa/DNC. You can see where this is going regarding the Trump-Russian collusion saga. Not only that, but Comey & Mueller knew this, & Mueller only indicted Shaltay Boltay & peripheral small players, staying away from the pertinent Ukrainian intel services so as to protect the Obama Admin.

The above is only Part 1; the two reports to come will focus upon (Part 2) how the hackers were involved with the operation to indict/impeach Trump as well as to destroy Bernie Sanders' 2016 campaign & (Part 3) the complicit media.

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As usual, I question the origins of all information, who wrote it, etc. Crinum, just because I haven't heard of these guys, doesn't mean there not outstanding. It sounds like they write worse than I do, on occasion, so that's not a really good start.

Do you know anything about them? Otherwise, it actually makes decent sense, except for the hackers wanting Trump gone. If these guys hate Putin, Trump would be better than any Dem.

I thought the transfer rate of the data indicated that it was not an external download, but rather internal.

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I thought the transfer rate of the data indicated that it was not an external download, but rather internal.

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Also what I remember. Was the transfer rate intel from a reliable source?

I don't know this Eliason chap at all, so I've started to follow him on Twitter. Internet search shows he has been writing about this Ukraine/DNC hack for some time. Here's an earlier article that has some of the same info:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/beyond-the-dnc-leaks-hacks-and-treason/247674/

Changing topics ... can we assume Roscoe is now a John Hopkins virologist.

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https://thesaker.is/donald-trumps-ukraine-server-how-the-fbi-and-odni-hacked-and-influenced-the-american-psyche/

Very long & complicated read (very confusing to me)...needs to be re-read 3-4 times to understand IMO. Written by an investigative US journalist residing in Ukraine.

Brief attempt at a summary -- there is a lot more in the article:
A group of Russian cyber criminals called Shaltay Boltay, who previously had fled to Ukraine, hacked the DNC server -- these were blackmailers with anti-Russian government motives, & their leader was later arrested by the Russian FSB & charged with treason -- this is the ONLY connection to Russia involving the DNC server hack...everything else is Ukraine. Shaltay Boltay also worked with other cyber groups in Ukraine that were affiliated with Ukrainian government intel (Cyber Alliance and CyberHunta) & who were very nationalistic -- one of their main goals was to disrupt Russia-US relations. Well, CyberHunta hacked Shaltay Boltay using Fancy Bear (sound familiar?). Well here the story becomes complicated because these Ukrainian intel services were also working hand in glove with US intel, Crowdstrike & Alexandra Chalupa/DNC. You can see where this is going regarding the Trump-Russian collusion saga. Not only that, but Comey & Mueller knew this, & Mueller only indicted Shaltay Boltay & peripheral small players, staying away from the pertinent Ukrainian intel services so as to protect the Obama Admin.

The above is only Part 1; the two reports to come will focus upon (Part 2) how the hackers were involved with the operation to indict/impeach Trump as well as to destroy Bernie Sanders' 2016 campaign & (Part 3) the complicit media.

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Ukraine again. They just keep coming up. Hmmmmm

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https://thesaker.is/donald-trumps-ukraine-server-how-the-fbi-and-odni-hacked-and-influenced-the-american-psyche/

Very long & complicated read (very confusing to me)...needs to be re-read 3-4 times to understand IMO. Written by an investigative US journalist residing in Ukraine.

Brief attempt at a summary -- there is a lot more in the article:
A group of Russian cyber criminals called Shaltay Boltay, who previously had fled to Ukraine, hacked the DNC server -- these were blackmailers with anti-Russian government motives, & their leader was later arrested by the Russian FSB & charged with treason -- this is the ONLY connection to Russia involving the DNC server hack...everything else is Ukraine. Shaltay Boltay also worked with other cyber groups in Ukraine that were affiliated with Ukrainian government intel (Cyber Alliance and CyberHunta) & who were very nationalistic -- one of their main goals was to disrupt Russia-US relations. Well, CyberHunta hacked Shaltay Boltay using Fancy Bear (sound familiar?). Well here the story becomes complicated because these Ukrainian intel services were also working hand in glove with US intel, Crowdstrike & Alexandra Chalupa/DNC. You can see where this is going regarding the Trump-Russian collusion saga. Not only that, but Comey & Mueller knew this, & Mueller only indicted Shaltay Boltay & peripheral small players, staying away from the pertinent Ukrainian intel services so as to protect the Obama Admin.

The above is only Part 1; the two reports to come will focus upon (Part 2) how the hackers were involved with the operation to indict/impeach Trump as well as to destroy Bernie Sanders' 2016 campaign & (Part 3) the complicit media.

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Ukraine again. They just keep coming up. Hmmmmm

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Deep state keeps coming up again.

https://thegreggjarrett.com/prosecutors-surrender-in-another-humiliating-defeat-for-mueller/

Short review of the Concord Management case.

Thanks for continuing to post new info. Need this on page 1.

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Why Van Grack hasn't been fired yet is beyond me.

IIRC, Van Grack was one of the DOJ attorneys meeting with reporters about Manafort's storage facilities well before he was recruited to be on Team Mueller. The guy is scum.

Totally disappointed in our Justice system. There WAS sooooooo much noise pertaining to Deep State corruption and yet...NOW, total silence relative to ANY semblance of prosecution. How did this country arrive at this disgraceful state of affairs? Worse...our officials have failed us and duly earned any disgrace/shame they ever receive.

Sorry...rant over. I'll go back to "distancing" myself!

TTT

I'm not certain what info could be obtained from those unless we know which form belonged to the forewoman, Tomeka Hart.

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I'm not certain what info could be obtained from those unless we know which form belonged to the forewoman, Tomeka Hart.

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If none of them disclose the activities of the foreperson, then you know she did not disclose them.