https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1097546656457859073.html


Thread on McCabe (by someone who thinks Comey wasn't a black hat).

aggiehawg said:

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Let's go back to the FISC for a moment. The reason those judges assume the material they are presented have been thoroughly vetted before reaching their desks is an over reliance on the Woods Procedure being followed. That is the stage where the strict scrutiny is supposed to occur.

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Woods Procedures are designed to be a gauntlet. Still, it's hard to imagine Carter Page's 4 wiretap applications and renewals getting through if the Dossier was used as evidence. Good read by Sharyl Attkisson from last year.

Nunes memo raises question: Did FBI violate Woods Procedures?

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.... the completed FISA application requires approval through the FBI chain of command "including a Supervisor, the Chief Division Counsel (the highest lawyer within that FBI field office), and finally, the Special Agent in Charge of the field office, before making its way to FBI Headquarters to get approval by (at least) the Unit-level Supervisor there."

At FBI headquarters, an "action memorandum" is prepared with additional facts culled by analytical personnel assigned to espionage allegations involving certain foreign powers.

Next, it goes to the Justice Department "where attorneys from the National Security Division comb through the application to verify all the assertions made in it," wrote Rangappa. "DOJ verifies the accuracy of every fact stated in the application. If anything looks unsubstantiated, the application is sent back to the FBI to provide additional evidentiary support this game of bureaucratic chutes and ladders continues until DOJ is satisfied that the facts in the FISA application can both be corroborated and meet the legal standards for the court. After getting sign-off from a senior DOJ official (finally!)."

But there are even more reviews and processes regarding government applications for wiretaps designed to make sure inaccurate or unverified information isn't used.

In November 2002, the FBI implemented a special FISA Unit with a unit chief and six staffers, and installed an automated tracking system that connects field offices, headquarters, the National Security Law Branch and the Office of Intelligence, allowing participants to track the process during each stage.

Starting March 1, 2003, the FBI required field offices to confirm they've verified the accuracy of facts presented to the court through the case agent, the field office's Chief Division Counsel and the Special Agent in Charge.

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https://www.theepochtimes.com/mccabes-troubles-run-a-lot-deeper-than-lackluster-60-minutes-interview-suggests_2805862.html

SIAP but a good and fair take on all this:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/andrew-mccabe-60-minutes-avoid-discussing-why-russia-factored-in-james-comeys-firing/

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/18/robert-mueller-investigation-ruling-1173599

Interesting read. I had completely forgotten about this case.

Me too.

I wouldn't take the delay here like I would when a jury is out for an extended time though.

Although, I can't imagine that the Judges in our Judicial Branch are generally proud of how Mueller has conducted his investigation, including the knuckleheads in the DOJ !

http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/19/5-big-takeaways-60-minutes-interview-andrew-mccabe/

Another good read on the McCabe interview.

Hmmm....This is going to gather some traction. Let's wait for the retraction or the denials.

drcrinum said:

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Hmmm....This is going to gather some traction. Let's wait for the retraction or the denials.

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Let's consider that this is true. Imagine the story they were told to get them to take this position.

"We have strong, verified intelligence that Trump has been colluding with Russians to rig the election. We can prove it."

If they said this, why would any Senator object at that time. I suppose it is also possible that they didn't like Trump and wanted to take him down as well though.

He told them that the president was under investigation himself or WHY that investigation was thought to be necessary?

Would the Dems or nevertrumpers have leaked that to the press ASAP once informed?

That is when a Senator should say, "Lets see the evidence, because you know....YOU ARE OPENING AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES."

Is everyone thus far denying McCabes accusations?

He's thrown just about everyone he was in contact with under the bus. I think he's trying to taint the jury pool.

Did he tell Sessions he opened an investigation?

Guy is a liar to the max.

McCabe is the kind of dude that back in Roman times would have ended up hanging on a cross. I long for those days sometimes.

Members:

Under the "gang of eight" system, the executive branch of the United States discloses highly sensitive intelligence information to the following positions within the US congress:[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight_(intelligence)#cite_note-6][6][/url]

• United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence:
  
  • Adam Schiff (D-CA-28), Chair
  • Devin Nunes (R-CA-22), Ranking Member
• United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence:
  
  • Richard Burr (R-NC), Chair
  • Mark Warner (D-VA), Vice Chair
• Leadership in the United States House of Representatives:
  
  • Nancy Pelosi (D-CA-12), Speaker of the House
  • Kevin McCarthy (R-CA-23), Minority Leader
• Leadership in the United States Senate:
  
  • Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Majority Leader
  • Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Minority Leader

Remember this?

FWIW...

McCabe says he used "Trump's own words" about Russia being a factor in why Trump fired Comey to open the investigation.

I have heard people say this before. It doesn't make sense.

McCabe says they opened the investigation immediately after Comey was fired. Didn't Trump tell Lester Holt Russia was a reason like a week or two later?

GCP12 said:

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McCabe says he used "Trump's own words" about Russia being a factor in why Trump fired Comey to open the investigation.

I have heard people say this before. It doesn't make sense.

McCabe says they opened the investigation immediately after Comey was fired. Didn't Trump tell Lester Holt Russia was a reason like a week or two later?

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Doesn't make sense, because its a lie

Yeah, I know. I just wasn't positive I had the timeline correct. I hear that rationalization all the time.

I posted in the McCabe thread that according to McCabe, he and Rosy were going to brief the Gang of Eight about the new investigations into Trump after Comey's firing. However, Devin Nunes was present, so they decided not to reveal it.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mccabe-rosenstein-wanted-nunes-barred-from-meetings-with-congressional-leaders

Running errands today...Hannity (I think) had a guest on saying gang of 8 stuff is privileged.

McCabe has committed an other "no no" just revealing the info he did regarding his opening an investigating into Trump and the gang of 8 not objecting.

Whens lunch said:

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Running errands today...Hannity (I think) had a guest on saying gang of 8 stuff is privileged.

McCabe has committed an other "no no" just revealing the info he did regarding his opening an investigating into Trump and the gang of 8 not objecting.

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Haven't read McCabe's book, nor will I but I don't think saying what he did not discuss with the Gang of Eight versus what he did discuss is not that big of a no-no. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

Well, apparently tomorrow John Solomon is going to reveal the existence of another dossier.

drcrinum said:

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Knowing about the Ohr nexus for almost 2 yrs, it still boggles my mind that DOJ procedures allow the wife a Senior DOJ official to be employed for the primary purpose of gathering opposition research against a POTUS candidate. Seriously? What could possibly go wrong?

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/430717-the-family-secret-bruce-ohr-told-rod-rosenstein-about-russia-case

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....And now we learn, from testimony that is still being kept secret from the public, that Ohr admitted to Congress last year that he also took Russia information that his wife, Nellie, assembled against Trump on a computer drive and delivered that to the FBI in 2016 -- a revelation that has raised fresh concerns in Congress about a possible conflict of interest....

The way Ohr described it, his wife's research was like an additional dossier assembled from Fusion GPS research to augment what Steele was separately providing the FBI.
"She (Nellie Ohr) provided me with a memory stick that included research she had done for Fusion GPS on various Russian figures," Ohr told congressional investigators.
"And the reason she provided that information to me is, my understanding was, it related to some of the same -- it related to the FBI's Russia investigation. And she gave me that stick to give to the FBI.".....

Steele's dossier was the opening salvo. A document sent to the State Department by Clinton proteges Cody Shearer and Sidney Blumenthal was another. A thumb drive given by Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussman to FBI general counsel James Baker was a third. Simpson's thumb drive given to Bruce Ohr was a fourth. And Nellie Ohr's thumb drive would be a fifth. At least three of those work products -- those from Steele, Shearer/Blumenthal and Nellie Ohr -- resemble what many people might consider a dossier.

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Most of this we already knew. The article just provides a little more info on what was in Nellie Ohr's thumb drive. I think there is a more important aspect in the background: How much of Nellie Ohr's material was 'copied' into Steele's dossier? In other words, how much of the Steele dossier did Nellie Ohr write? And, of course, where or how did Nellie Ohr obtain her material? Was she one of those private contractors that were accessing the NSA databases?

Report will be released next week, supposedly, according to CNN. Also made a fresh thread on discussion of this specifcially.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/20/politics/special-counsel-conclusion-announcement/index.html

Gist:

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Washington (CNN)Attorney General Bill Barr is preparing to announce as early as next week the completion of Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, with plans for Barr to submit to Congress soon after a summary of Mueller's confidential report, according to people familiar with the plans.
The preparations are the clearest indication yet that Mueller is nearly done with his almost two-year investigation.
The precise timing of the announcement is subject to change.
The scope and contours of what Barr will send to Congress remain unclear. Also unclear is how long it will take Justice officials to prepare what will be submitted to lawmakers.

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Rest of article is CNN bleeding. They must know it won't be what they want.

deleted tweet from Posobiec

I may be mistaken, but it's my understanding that multiple investigations (hopefully indictments) were placed in limbo pending Mueller's investigation because the latter had priority. Once Mueller is finished, then these other investigations will be given the green light. For instance, McCabe -- he was a Mueller witness plus provided personal documents, so until Mueller completed his work, no proceedings in court could be undertaken against McCabe. Also, Horowitz's FISA abuse investigation has not been released pending Mueller's investigation. Once Mueller is out of the way, then what we have been waiting for may finally happen.