https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1096784127091789824.html

Thread on McCabe, the liar.

https://amgreatness.com/2019/02/14/after-the-coup-is-gone/

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As the perpetrators of one of the most shameful scandals in American political history begin slowly to retreat, we are left to ponder one overarching question:

What now?

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Who will pay the price for unleashing this ordeal on the American public? Which lawmaker will be rebuked and censured for pretending to have evidence of malfeasance that never happened? Which former high level official will be charged for abuse of power?

What journalist will be fired and permanently jettisoned from the industry for intentionally misleading readers and viewers? What editor or media owner will be held accountable for publishing illegally leaked information that exacted real harm on innocent people? When will NeverTrumperers who accused more astute observers of this scheme of being "conspiracy theorists" going to apologize?

How will people harassed by the media and investigators restore their professional standing, squandered savings and mental wellbeing? How can the president regain the time in his term that has been lost to this craven insurgency?

These are only a handful of the questions now arising from the wreckage of the failed Trump-Russia collusion gambit; the answers might be just as infuriating as the questions themselves.

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This is a fascinating article. One of the best in recent times.

That was great .... funny as hell

F the lying Dems

Excellent article. There is no doubt about the complicity of the MSM in this coup attempt.

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Think about that for a moment. Barack Obama's Justice Department weaponized federal law enforcement and intelligence powers to infiltrate and spy on a rival presidential campaign then leveraged that same authority after the election to raze an incoming administration, yet not one member of the press corps has asked him one question about it.

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The comments are worth reading, also.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-top-fbi-lawyer-2-trump-cabinet-officials-were-ready-to-support-25th-amendment-effort

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Former top FBI lawyer: 2 Trump Cabinet officials were 'ready to support' 25th Amendment effort

Former top FBI lawyer James Baker, in closed-door testimony to Congress, detailed alleged discussions among senior officials at the Justice Department about invoking the 25th Amendment to remove President Trump from office, claiming he was told Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said two Trump Cabinet officials were "ready to support" such an effort.

The testimony was delivered last fall to the House Oversight and Judiciary Committees. Fox News has confirmed portions of the transcript. It provides additional insight into discussions that have returned to the spotlight in Washington as fired FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe revisits the matter during interviews promoting his forthcoming book.

Baker did not identify the two Cabinet officials. But in his testimony, the lawyer said McCabe and FBI lawyer Lisa Page came to him to relay their conversations with Rosenstein, including discussions of the 25th Amendment.....

Rosenstein, who still works at the Justice Department but who is expected to exit in the near future, has denied the claims since they first surfaced in the media last year......

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My guesses on the 2 Cabinet officials: Rex Tillerson & Tom Price, with Nikki Haley running a close third.

Tillerson is definitely one, as he was a Gates/Rice puppet and deep state creation.

drcrinum said:

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https://amgreatness.com/2019/02/14/after-the-coup-is-gone/

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As the perpetrators of one of the most shameful scandals in American political history begin slowly to retreat, we are left to ponder one overarching question:

What now?

.......

Who will pay the price for unleashing this ordeal on the American public? Which lawmaker will be rebuked and censured for pretending to have evidence of malfeasance that never happened? Which former high level official will be charged for abuse of power?

What journalist will be fired and permanently jettisoned from the industry for intentionally misleading readers and viewers? What editor or media owner will be held accountable for publishing illegally leaked information that exacted real harm on innocent people? When will NeverTrumperers who accused more astute observers of this scheme of being "conspiracy theorists" going to apologize?

How will people harassed by the media and investigators restore their professional standing, squandered savings and mental wellbeing? How can the president regain the time in his term that has been lost to this craven insurgency?

These are only a handful of the questions now arising from the wreckage of the failed Trump-Russia collusion gambit; the answers might be just as infuriating as the questions themselves.

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This is a fascinating article. One of the best in recent times.

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All good questions that deserve an answer

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/graham-calls-mccabe-comments-beyond-stunning-as-he-threatens-to-subpoena-former-fbi-chief

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Graham calls McCabe comments 'beyond stunning' as he threatens to subpoena former FBI chief

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., vowed Sunday to investigate alleged discussions at the Department of Justice about invoking the 25th Amendment as a way to oust President Trump from office and threatened to subpoena former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe if he refused to testify on the matter before the Senate.

"We're going to find out what happened here and the only way I know to find out is to call the people in under oath and find out, through questioning, who's telling the truth because the underlying accusation is beyond stunning," Graham, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

Graham added that he also plans to subpoena both McCabe and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein if they won't voluntarily agree to testify before the committee.

He said: "But we've got to get to the bottom of it. What are people to think after they watch "60 Minutes" when they hear this accusation by the acting deputy acting FBI director that the deputy attorney general encouraged him to try to find ways to count votes to replace the president? That can't go unaddressed.".....

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Graham is going to be a great replacement for Grassley.

Lends a lot of credibility to the theory that Scaramucci really was a hatchet man brought in to clear out the people that were revealed to support that nonsense.

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Lends a lot of credibility to the theory that Scaramucci really was a hatchet man brought in to clear out the people that were revealed to support that nonsense.

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Who are the people that Scaramucci cleared out?
Priebus? He wasnt a cabinet member & Certainly didn't support removing Trump

That theory about him really never has made any sense.

Mueller is now investigating the cambridge analytics and people are hoping some Huskies are tied to it.

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blindey said:

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Lends a lot of credibility to the theory that Scaramucci really was a hatchet man brought in to clear out the people that were revealed to support that nonsense.

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Who are the people that Scaramucci cleared out?
Priebus? He wasnt a cabinet member & Certainly didn't support removing Trump

That theory about him really never has made any sense.

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Tend to agree. Mooch was a misstep when Trump was under siege all around him. He trusted him. Then promptly realized he was extremely ill-suited for the job.

I don't think it is disloyal nor unfair to say Trump had a longer learning curve than most politicians have. Obama had quite the learning curve too with his redflag.gov Gestapo idea. The first and only time his administration set up a website that actually worked. (That's a knock on ObamaCare and some hyperbole is involved for the panty twisters here.)

As to Cambridge Analytica, I guess the direction there is trying to connect the Russians to them and thus to the Trump campaign's using the same service as some sort of cut-out.

Guess he's going for the Cambridge Analytica was/is a Russian intelligence front, like the CIA uses.

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Mueller is now investigating the cambridge analytics and people are hoping some Huskies are tied to it.

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If you want to read about some complicated crap involving Cambridge Analytica, this chap below has been digging deep. Perhaps related to the Dragon FISA:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1097195513806577666.html

Bates was the FISC judge who signed off on the final extension of Carter Page's FISA. This is almost unbelievable. IMO people are not critically reading the documents presented to them...or they are so ill prepared or inexperienced that they should not be placed in such positions...or they are so naive that they would never consider that someone would attempt to pull the wool over their eyes...or there are more stupid people in circulation than commonly assumed.
It's worrisome that if this is the prevailing opinion of FISC judges, it probably blows enough holes in the FISA abuse scandal that no one will ever see prosecution.

First, Benjamin Wittes is a Comey bestie, so take whatever he says with a grain of salt.

Second, we have bad judges in the state and federal judiciaries. Sad but true.

Third, we need FISA reform, particularly when applied to American citizens. This is about protecting us from bad actors within our government and bad judges who allow it.

On your third point. I can't think of anyone but the 40 or so freedom caucus members and a few of their senate counterparts that have even talked about reform. Is Graham talking reform?

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On your third point. I can't think of anyone but the 40 or so freedom caucus members and a few of their senate counterparts that have even talked about reform. Is Graham talking reform?

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Not that I have seen. However he is keen on investigating FISA abuse so he's looking into it and proposed legislation will likely result, is my guess.

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Bates was the FISC judge who signed off on the final extension of Carter Page's FISA. This is almost unbelievable. IMO people are not critically reading the documents presented to them...or they are so ill prepared or inexperienced that they should not be placed in such positions...or they are so naive that they would never consider that someone would attempt to pull the wool over their eyes...or there are more stupid people in circulation than commonly assumed. It's worrisome that if this is the prevailing opinion of FISC judges, it probably blows enough holes in the FISA abuse scandal that no one will ever see prosecution.

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... not to minimize the presumed trust these courts likely place in the integrity and candor of FISA applications as another contributing factor, I wonder if these courts are suitably staffed to critically read/analyse the volume of FISA documents that cross their desks?

Federal courts are busy, but in my experience, they've read everything. District judges get 2 law clerks (who are licensed attorneys) and by the time something big like a FISA application hits their chambers and is ripe for oral argument (if any), they're aware of what it contains.

Hell, I clerked for a bankruptcy judge and when we had hearings over even mundane stuff (personal debtor reaffirming a car loan or something), we had read the materials, knew the facts, knew the law, and had the judge ready to ask probative questions to make sure he got it right.

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drcrinum said:

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Bates was the FISC judge who signed off on the final extension of Carter Page's FISA. This is almost unbelievable. IMO people are not critically reading the documents presented to them...or they are so ill prepared or inexperienced that they should not be placed in such positions...or they are so naive that they would never consider that someone would attempt to pull the wool over their eyes...or there are more stupid people in circulation than commonly assumed. It's worrisome that if this is the prevailing opinion of FISC judges, it probably blows enough holes in the FISA abuse scandal that no one will ever see prosecution.

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... not to minimize the presumed trust these courts likely place in the integrity and candor of FISA applications as another contributing factor, I wonder if these courts are suitably staffed to critically read/analyse the volume of FISA documents that cross their desks?

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Considering that an incredibly high percentage (upper 90s percent) of FISA applications are approved, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess, "No."

Which is why I believe any application for a Title I FISA warrant on an US person procedures should be reformed to mandate that the FISC has higher standards, a strict scrutiny, if you will, before approval. Since this is a secret court, without notice to the target, the judge is there to protect the American citizen's rights as the last bastion.

Guess we now know why the judges aren't livid and pulling the lawyers in for a good ass chewing. It's absurd to say they weren't misled about Carter Page.

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Federal courts are busy, but in my experience, they've read everything. District judges get 2 law clerks (who are licensed attorneys) and by the time something big like a FISA application hits their chambers and is ripe for oral argument (if any), they're aware of what it contains.

Hell, I clerked for a bankruptcy judge and when we had hearings over even mundane stuff (personal debtor reaffirming a car loan or something), we had read the materials, knew the facts, knew the law, and had the judge ready to ask probative questions to make sure he got it right.

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Not to put too fine a point on it but FISA court judges are not subject to reversal upon appeal.

Big difference.

That's.....screwy. And I certainly didn't know that.

So there's no one with jurisdiction to check their homework at all?

Ex parte abuses throughout these secret courts.

I, for one, am not convinced the FISA judges are/were not a part of the "swamp". If entire federal agencies (or key managers thereof) can be corrupted, why not members of the judiciary? IMHO, these people had/have an agenda, i.e.,"maintain the status quo" / "prevent the outsider from butchering our sacred cash cow".

Everyone knows..."We DC insiders, got it good" and "Ef everybody else". Honest politician = oxymoron. Congress and Elitist Club = synonyms. Blind Lady Justice = fake news.

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That's.....screwy. And I certainly didn't know that.

So there's no one with jurisdiction to check their homework at all?

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Nope. They are supposedly supervised by Chief Justice Roberts but think about it. These are secret warrants. The target doesn't know anything about them. There is no adversarial proceeding from which to appeal. How would such a case even get before the SCOTUS?

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Good point. That is really screwy.

But it makes sense.

Perhaps a reporting requirement would help?

I'm really spitballing here. This is a strange area of inquiry that is unsettling all around. Secretly spying on American citizens is really problematic to me. The fact that we are doing it at all ought to give everyone pause. The fact that an outgoing administration actively tried to use the process to attack an incoming administration should chill everyone to the bone.

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As I said, there is some reporting from the senior FISC judge (Rosemary Collyer, at present) to Chief Justice Roberts, who is the one who appoints them to terms on the FISC but I'm not sure how deep that reporting process goes since national security is involved. I would guess that there are some long term SCOTUS employees who may have top secret clearance to review these. I would doubt law clerks would have that type of clearance but I could be wrong about that.

The program that former NSA chief Rogers shut down was the Title 7 FISA queries, not Title I. And Judge Collyer agreed with him on those.

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blindey said:

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That's.....screwy. And I certainly didn't know that.

So there's no one with jurisdiction to check their homework at all?

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Nope. They are supposedly supervised by Chief Justice Roberts but think about it. These are secret warrants. The target doesn't know anything about them. There is no adversarial proceeding from which to appeal. How would such a case even get before the SCOTUS?

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That is all I needed to read since I don't trust Roberts at all.

So after 2 years, I'd say the deep state is still winning. When HRC is fully investigated for her clear ties to Russian influence, then I'll change my tune.

All I see is the diversion has worked. Two full years of POTUS being under the microscope. MSM is complicit and the typical American only hears asshats like McCabe saying "we had to do the investigation. there was cause. And plus, he called my innocent wife a loser. What a bully."

I understand the quid pro quo angle. But I'm truly amazed at how much stroke the clintons have. Even out of power, they pull strings and magic happens. DC is a cesspool.

Let's go back to the FISC for a moment. The reason those judges assume the material they are presented have been thoroughly vetted before reaching their desks is an over reliance on the Woods Procedure being followed. That is the stage where the strict scrutiny is supposed to occur.