aggiehawg, think you nailed it...from the 5/18/18 WP footnote'd article aligns with 2014 theory
"Reports are there was indeed at least one FBI representative implanted, for political purposes, into my campaign for president," he tweeted Friday. "It took place very early on, and long before the phony Russia Hoax became a 'hot' Fake News story. If true all time biggest political scandal!"

There is no evidence to suggest someone was planted with the campaign. The source in question engaged in a months-long pattern of seeking out and meeting three different Trump campaign officials."

"long before"...plus, no evidence "someone was planted" : The no evidence 'spin' is that the operation was ongoing (from 2014) and WP conveniently left out: There IS evidence of someone being REPLANTED.

I am old and my memory isn't what it used to be but:

When McCabe said something to the effect he would burn it down or bring everyone down, didn't someone here suggest that this was the moment McCabe realized we was the designated fall guy?

The whole FISA scheme should be revisited despite the 702 section being renewed last year. For one thing, having the Chief Justice of SCOTUS being the only oversight on the FISC has not worked to monitor activities in real time instead waiting until the Inspector General is called on to conduct an investigation like what happened with Admiral Rogers.

I hesitate to give a civil remedy to those improperly unmasked or otherwise surveilled since that just comes back onto the taxpayers but I do think a criminal fine per occurrence should be incorporated. Of course since the NSA lacks the capacity to accurately trace and monitor what is happening with their own database so that would be largely ceremonial.

So first, we have to fix the problems with the NSA. Or FISA reform will largely be meaningless, in my view.

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I am old and my memory isn't what it used to be but:

When McCabe said something to the effect he would burn it down or bring everyone down, didn't someone here suggest that this was the moment McCabe realized we was the designated fall guy?

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Can someone please give the man a lighter and can of accelerant? Like TODAY!

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I am old and my memory isn't what it used to be but:

When McCabe said something to the effect he would burn it down or bring everyone down, didn't someone here suggest that this was the moment McCabe realized we was the designated fall guy?

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Burn baby burn!

He's not the only one who is concerned, apparently.

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"Hillary proceeded to pick up a full glass of water and throw it at the face of the assistant, and the screaming started.

She was in a full meltdown and no one on her staff dared speak with her she went kind of manic and did not have any control over herself at that point. How these people work with this woman is amazing to me.
She really didn't seem to care who heard any of it.

You really had to see this to believe it. She came apart literally unglued. She is the most foul-mouthed woman I've ever heard. And that voice at screech level awful!

She screamed she'd get that ****ing Lauer fired for this. Referring to Donald Trump, Clinton said, 'If that ****ing ******* wins, we all hang from nooses! Lauer's finished, and if I lose, it's all on your heads for screwing this up.'

Her dozen or more aides were visibly disturbed and tried to calm her down when she started shaking uncontrollably as she screamed to get an executive at Comcast, the parent company of NBC Universal, on the phone. Then two rather large aides grabbed her and helped her walk to her car."

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Someone remind me again, what happened to Matt Lauer?

http://www.investmen****chblog.com/hillary-clinton-if-that-f-ing-*******-trump-wins-we-all-hang-from-nooses/

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richardag said:

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I am old and my memory isn't what it used to be but:

When McCabe said something to the effect he would burn it down or bring everyone down, didn't someone here suggest that this was the moment McCabe realized we was the designated fall guy?

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Burn baby burn!

He's not the only one who is concerned, apparently.

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"Hillary proceeded to pick up a full glass of water and throw it at the face of the assistant, and the screaming started.

She was in a full meltdown and no one on her staff dared speak with her she went kind of manic and did not have any control over herself at that point. How these people work with this woman is amazing to me.
She really didn't seem to care who heard any of it.

You really had to see this to believe it. She came apart literally unglued. She is the most foul-mouthed woman I've ever heard. And that voice at screech level awful!

She screamed she'd get that ****ing Lauer fired for this. Referring to Donald Trump, Clinton said, 'If that ****ing ******* wins, we all hang from nooses! Lauer's finished, and if I lose, it's all on your heads for screwing this up.'

Her dozen or more aides were visibly disturbed and tried to calm her down when she started shaking uncontrollably as she screamed to get an executive at Comcast, the parent company of NBC Universal, on the phone. Then two rather large aides grabbed her and helped her walk to her car."

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Someone remind me again, what happened to Matt Lauer?

http://www.investmen****chblog.com/hillary-clinton-if-that-f-ing-*******-trump-wins-we-all-hang-from-nooses/

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He was #metoo'd

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richardag said:

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I am old and my memory isn't what it used to be but:

When McCabe said something to the effect he would burn it down or bring everyone down, didn't someone here suggest that this was the moment McCabe realized we was the designated fall guy?

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Can someone please give the man a lighter and can of accelerant?

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I think McCabe has been successfully walled off at this point.

That having been said, given his (blessedly) former position he can threaten to gray mail in any subsequent criminal proceeding against him. "Gray mail" is when a criminal defendant threatens to reveal highly classified information as an integral part of their defense. At that point, Classified Information Procedures Act comes into play and everything slows down and goes under seal, a blackout, if you will.

We'll see if McCabe gets indicted and if the CIPA is invoked.

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For the record, the President's Chief of Staff and his attorney in an ongoing criminal investigation into the President's campaign

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Total BS! It is not a criminal investigation and surely not against Trump. It was counterintelligence investigation.

Trump and Kelly have the security clearance and the right to be there. Shoot he can declassify whatever he wants.

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Robert Mueller's criminal probe of President Donald Trump, his associates and the Trump campaign has passed the 1-year benchmark, and the DOJ-appointed special counsel is no closer to proving Russian collusion or obstruction of justice than when he first commenced his investigation. What Mueller has succeeded in doing is wasting in excess of $20 million in taxpayer money.

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Mueller has now set his sights on, of all places, Israel. The special counsel has sent agents to Israel no doubt on private government jets to investigate the activities of an Israeli social media company which employed former members of Israeli intelligence and collected user data ostensibly for the purpose of manipulating public opinion. Their target is Joel Zamel who headed the company and allegedly met with Trump or his associates during the campaign and visited the White House after Trump's inauguration.

There is not a shred of evidence that Trump retained the services of Mr. Zamel or that Mr. Zamel's firm engaged in any scheme to manipulate social media data for the benefit of Trump's campaign. There is however, more than ample evidence of the fact that Hillary Clinton's campaign retained the services of a British national to obtain a Russian sourced dossier, filled with salacious and unverified material, and that that dossier then formed the basis of an overly broad FISA warrant targeting Trump staffers. But Mueller and his Democratic amen corner seem uninterested in this egregious display of government abuse and overreaching. Nor are they interested in investigating documented claims of how Google, a company with close pecuniary ties to the Clinton campaign, manipulated its auto-complete feature to suppress negative coverage of Hillary Clinton. Mueller and his partners in crime are besotted with Trump and will stop at nothing to obtain their proverbial pound of flesh.

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https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270261/mr-mueller-goes-jerusalem-ari-lieberman

Multiple agencies?? What additional ones besides the CIA?
Foreign "governments"?? What additional ones besides the UK?
Anyone have a clue what "cd3" means?

Professor Calibresi has amended his legal opinion (not a repudiation, an amplification) on why Mueller's appointment was unconstitutional from the get the go. (As I have long harped on there is a principal/agent issue.)


https://www.scribd.com/document/380166111/Opinion-on-the-Constitutionality-of-Robert-Mueller#from_embed

Roscoe? A little help? Never can get those scrib docs to post.

Regarding 12333:

Today is probably the most depressing news since the opening of this thread on December 2nd.

It was always going to be difficult to get HRC and/or Obama, but not being able to get Lynch, Rice, or anyone else associated with the O administration is just staggeringly frustrating. I was counting on the Constitution coming to the rescue, which I guess it kind of did with the EO 12333.

Apparently, based on what y'all are saying, the EO allows all Administration players to avoid obstruction, perjury, or other laws. I'm very impressed with the left, especially since we (or me) regularly call them stupid---perhaps like a fox. I'm really not trying to be cynical, but this is very important for the Republic, as there appears to be very little reason for the next Dem to do either the same thing, or make a new EO and put everyone out of reach of the law.

Am I reading you guys correctly?

Do you need all nine pages?

I share your concerns.

This should be at the top of the ballot for every congressman since they are ultimately responsible for this BS.

I'm looking at you, Cornyn.

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Well, yes and no. Rule 12333 has nothing to with perjury, violating people's civil rights and other potential offenses committed under "color of law."

The change in scope of 12333 was within Obama's power to do, (as the argument stands now) with the requisite sign-offs by Clapper and Lynch. That doesn't absolve any crimes committed in the implementation of it, however. Disseminating said information across unsecure devices for example.

If I'm investigating this, I'd start with Evelyn Farkas. She'd likely be worth an immunity deal to get her to talk.

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Do you need all nine pages?

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No, just the last three pages. Thanks.

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Do you need all nine pages?

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No, just the last three pages. Thanks.

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Hhmm, interesting on a number of levels. First he's messing with Rosey's COS. Maybe Rosey is cool with that? Second the EDVA is where Manafort is defending a case against Mueller.

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Could Session's be indicating that he intends to rearrange Rosenstein's office, including staff?

I'm also assuming it means Terwilliger is trusted. Maybe he "done his job" on Rosenstein's staff and Sessions is moving him clear of what might ensue?

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Let's circle back around to this.

Okay, from transcripts in Judge Ellis' court, we know it was Ellis' <ahem> "suggestion" that the office of the EDVA be in the loop and present with Team Mueller. (That EDVA attorney's name was Asonye.)

Now Sessions' sends Terwilliger over as Acting US Attorney for EDVA, meaning he's the boss that Team Mueller must now work with.

Could be huge, could mean very little but something to watch. Sessions doing an end round run on Rosey? Or is Rosey supremely comfortable with Terwilliger being "his guy"??

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I'm probably confusing cases, but didn't Miller submits documents to a court in EDVA under the title of Assistant Special Attorney for EDVA? It seemed Mueller was trying to cover for taking over the case, and Judge Ellis called him out on it.

So, if Mueller is allowed to appear as ASA, then isn't Terwilliger his boss? If not, then can Terwilliger assign the case to someone else?

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Multiple agencies?? What additional ones besides the CIA?
Foreign "governments"?? What additional ones besides the UK?
Anyone have a clue what "cd3" means?

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I sure hope he is right that Strzok has flipped.

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I'm probably confusing cases, but didn't Miller submits documents to a court in EDVA under the title of Assistant Special Attorney for EDVA? It seemed Mueller was trying to cover for taking over the case, and Judge Ellis called him out on it.

So, if Mueller is allowed to appear as ASA, then isn't Terwilliger his boss? If not, then can Terwilliger assign the case to someone else?

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A week ago yesterday, Team Mueller provided the unredacted August 2, 2017 Rosenstein memo to Judge Ellis under seal. On Monday of this week, Team Mueller filed papers with Judge Ellis' court with an additional signature block claiming to be signing both of behalf of the Special Counsel's Office and as "Special Assistant Attorneys" for the EDVA. Where that authority originated is unknown at present but presumably it came from Rosenstein's memo.

So now we have a possible turf war between the new Acting US Attorney for EDVA, Terwilliger and Rosenstein's apparent pre-existing appointment of Team Mueller as "Special Assistants." So yes, Terwilliger will have something to say about this "Special Assistant Attorneys" crap as will Judge Ellis, I'd expect.

Stay tuned for further developments.

That's what I thought! Dis gon be gud!

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Well, yes and no. Rule 12333 has nothing to with perjury, violating people's civil rights and other potential offenses committed under "color of law."

The change in scope of 12333 was within Obama's power to do, (as the argument stands now) with the requisite sign-offs by Clapper and Lynch. That doesn't absolve any crimes committed in the implementation of it, however. Disseminating said information across unsecure devices for example.

If I'm investigating this, I'd start with Evelyn Farkas. She'd likely be worth an immunity deal to get her to talk.

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And talk she will, you'd have to slap her silly to shut her up. When left the administration to join HRCs campaign yet was still evidently dabbling back into matters from a civilian standpoint she loses any governmental cover, and can be hung out to dry, if they are able to tie her to evidense, especially if she was the courier of any classified data being fed to the HRC campaign.

And to the other person's concerns, like I've said 100 times for months, if anyone thinks Barry or Hillary are going to jail, they need to get a puppy now because it's going to smart a bit. Him Impeached ex post facto is a stretch. Politically ruined financially ruined is going to likely be the most you'll see of those two short of murdering someone on camera in broad daylight.

Below them is open game, but I was merely pointing out possible legal cover for Lynch and Clapper concerning 702 issues. Perjury, anything 18 USC 793, 794, 798 or 46 CFR 503.59 they have few places to hide. The FISC issues are going to be a problem, some serious violations went on, could even take down a judge if at all they knowingly went along with it. At one time in my life I'd never really consider it, but in this environment, nothing surprises me anymore.

I agree with Dixie McCabe is likely the fall guy and he may have changed his mind. I still think Priestap is going to be the real star witness. Comey is even money for wearing orange.

No, problem.

And thanks Roscoe. I find Professor Calbresi's arguments persuasive but not dispositive. And by that I mean at some point we are likely going to SCOTUS. Which case gets there first is the question. Could be Manafort, could Trump fighting a grand jury proceeding, could be Cohen (if he is indicted) might even be the Russians fighting their indictments.

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Regarding 12333:

Today is probably the most depressing news since the opening of this thread on December 2nd.

It was always going to be difficult to get HRC and/or Obama, but not being able to get Lynch, Rice, or anyone else associated with the O administration is just staggeringly frustrating. I was counting on the Constitution coming to the rescue, which I guess it kind of did with the EO 12333.

Apparently, based on what y'all are saying, the EO allows all Administration players to avoid obstruction, perjury, or other laws. I'm very impressed with the left, especially since we (or me) regularly call them stupid---perhaps like a fox. I'm really not trying to be cynical, but this is very important for the Republic, as there appears to be very little reason for the next Dem to do either the same thing, or make a new EO and put everyone out of reach of the law.

Am I reading you guys correctly?

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I'm not depressed. Impatient, yes.

Just remember, what evil deed do Nixon do...the thing he lied about? He spied on his opponents!
Obama spied on his opposition, the candidate who potentially could undo his legacy...and he lied about it. Just to be able to have it publicly revealed, unequivocally, that Obama lied about spying on Trump is enough for me. Obama will never see jail time. Disgraced would be adequate punishment...branded a LIAR forever. Make no mistake though, lesser hanging fruit are going to be punished and financially ruined, and the stench will engulf anyone highly connected with the Democrat Party, including HRC, plus the MSM.

HRC will never see jail either. But to subject her to the humiliation of a public indictment for charges of having thousands of classified documents on her email server, attempting to cover it up, and lying about everything is fine by me...branded a LIAR forever. Again, lesser hanging fruit are going to be nailed for the cover-up.

Obama & the Clintons are 'royalty'. They won't be jailed or executed, but before it is over, they will be stripped of their nobility ties.

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McCabe has gone to ground since April. Either he's hunkered down awaiting indictment or he's cooperating.

This is why they keep claiming someone could be harmed?!

Sorry for those first posted pages, they were blurry for some reason, I reloaded them and are clean now

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Well I was thinking more about she knew post election and in particular the late December change to 12333. "The how" they were getting info on the Trump transition team. She said enough in the Morning Joe interview the spring of 2017 to nail her.

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12 to 18 mos club fed heard it here first bookmark it

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Depends on if Stzrok, Page, Priestap and (outside chance) McCabe are aligned against him.

Between his book and multiple interviews Comey has so many contradicting stories out there, if the witnesses are closely aligned upon another narrative they will be more credible than he is. False statements to a fed agen and to Congress can be a b****. Ask Roger Clemens.

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I'll take the over but only because he gets cocky with the judge at sentencing. Put me down for 24 months.

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I'll take the over but only because he gets cocky with the judge at sentencing. Put me down for 24 months.

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