Ok, thanks

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Ok, thanks

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I fell for his schtick for a little while, but when you waste time chasing down his BS after a while it's pretty clear.

I suspect Giulianni is a lightening rod for Trump's team.

High dollar political figure, actually had his name added to a massive law firm years ago when he joined as a partner, plenty of media presence, assumed to be an "acceptable" Republican by D.C. punditry, and can make statements that people will listen to and not immediately have the type of reaction they would have as though made directly by Trump.

He's another distraction -- and a good one.

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Yep. The Obama administration was unmasking (spying) on Republican candidates and their campaigns long before the Spring of '16.

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And the NSA was in so much disarray that they had no control over their own data base and who had access.

This ties in nicely.

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Any chance Snowden gets back in the fold of all this and given immunity to testify to what the NSA was doing under Obama?

This poor bastid is pulling in his shell

somebody school me on an endgame theory.

The FBI, IG, SC,...are file makers, folder fillers, sure the FBI can arrest you but it is the Judicial branch using those folders that keep you in jail.

All I see is that we gonna have folders upon folders of criminal crap all over the place with a corrupt federal US justice department that is not going to keep anybody in jail.

Maybe we see (some) state judicial branch step-in with a jurisdictional argument...like with the banks, Ocare and immigration.

Clapper is coming up on CNN with Tapper. I am not sure if they will try to push the, "Trump should be happy we spied on him" narrative or the, "The spy was totally not a spy" narrative.

I will go with both, though.

Git'em Graybeard

"An official's name was redacted in reference to a text about Obama White House "running" an investigation"

That's up to Trump. He could 100% pardon him. That's actually something i would like to see. I don't consider Snowden a traitor. I consider him a patriot. I know not a popular opinion.

Guess he didn't get the judge's ruling that you can't block people on Twitter.

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That's up to Trump. He could 100% pardon him. That's actually something i would like to see. I don't consider Snowden a traitor. I consider him a patriot. I know not a popular opinion.

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He's both. Revealing the illegal spying on Americans was a good thing. Revealing methods we use to spy on foreign counties was wrong.

That is true. Though I'm not sure how he would reveal one without revealing the other. Since in most cases the systems are used for both.

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Clapper is coming up on CNN with Tapper. I am not sure if they will try to push the, "Trump should be happy we spied on him" narrative or the, "The spy was totally not a spy" narrative.

I will go with both, though.

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Tapper has already killed his own argument 5 minutes in.

Think about it like this. Snowden revealing the lack of oversight and transparency in FISA has made it possible to reveal the spying that Obama and team may have done on the Trump campaign. Without Snowden none of this would be believable.

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Grassley keeping the heat on

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Hahahahahaha!!! Here we go...bc rumor is there was discussion of an assassination plotin those texts.

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Clapper is coming up on CNN with Tapper. I am not sure if they will try to push the, "Trump should be happy we spied on him" narrative or the, "The spy was totally not a spy" narrative.

I will go with both, though.

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Tapper has already killed his own argument 5 minutes in.

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I think it's hilarious when they list the conspiracy theories Trump has pushed.

I especially love when they list the Murderin' Joe one

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Clapper is coming up on CNN with Tapper. I am not sure if they will try to push the, "Trump should be happy we spied on him" narrative or the, "The spy was totally not a spy" narrative.

I will go with both, though.

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Tapper has already killed his own argument 5 minutes in.

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I think it's hilarious when they list the conspiracy theories Trump has pushed.

I especially love when they list the Murderin' Joe one

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Had to turn it off I couldn't take anymore, Toobin puts me over the edge

Can't blame you. Clapper is coming up after the commercial break for anyone interested

My main question for Clapper...

How does he know all of this? He knew literally nothing about this after he was out of office. He said so himself.

Has he testified before Congress and said that? Please say yes.

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Has he testified before Congress and said that? Please say yes.

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I am not sure. I am basing that off his interview with F Chuck Todd soon after Trump "Obama tapped my wires" tweet

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Don't know if true:

ETA: Isn't this obstruction of justice if true?

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Witness tampering. That's an Ooops, if true.

Now, just like this "confidential informant"(totally not a spy) he doesn't know if there were other confidential sources(again, totally not spies)

Clapper's job seems to be to say he had no knowledge of anything.

Then, when the thing he has no knowledge of is revealed, he comes on to assure us that the thing he had no knowledge of was totally above board and expected.

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Yep. The Obama administration was unmasking (spying) on Republican candidates and their campaigns long before the Spring of '16.

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And the NSA was in so much disarray that they had no control over their own data base and who had access.

This ties in nicely.

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Any chance Snowden gets back in the fold of all this and given immunity to testify to what the NSA was doing under Obama?

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That would be my preference. I'm one of those people that consider Snowden partially a hero who chose a poor path to accomplish his goals.

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Now, just like this "confidential informant"(totally not a spy) he doesn't know if there were other confidential sources(again, totally not spies)

Clapper's job seems to be to say he had no knowledge of anything.

Then, when the thing he has no knowledge of is revealed, he comes on to assure us that the thing he had no knowledge of was totally above board and expected.

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So basically our top spy under Obama was bad at spy craft. Terrific.

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Clapper's job seems to be to say he had no knowledge of anything.

Then, when the thing he has no knowledge of is revealed, he comes on to assure us that the thing he had no knowledge of was totally above board and expected.

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That totally reminds me of how I acted as a kid with my parents

It is really incredible. The guy apparently had no clue what was going on intelligence wise for his entire tenure. I wonder if he knows what DNI stands for.

Fortunately, he knows enough to tell us that everything he didn't know about was totally legal and necessary

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Now, just like this "confidential informant"(totally not a spy) he doesn't know if there were other confidential sources(again, totally not spies)

Clapper's job seems to be to say he had no knowledge of anything.

Then, when the thing he has no knowledge of is revealed, he comes on to assure us that the thing he had no knowledge of was totally above board and expected.

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This idiot is a complete cartoon now

He was fine until an LA times journalist tweeted a breaking news tweet on his $10MM default judgement, and because Flannigan didn't have a blue checkmark, Avenatti tweets back and claims he's a parody account and he'll sue him into oblivion, 10 minutes later the Story Prints in the LA TImes written by Flannigan and his world blew up from there and yesterday twitter was on fire calling this hack out, Robert Barnes basically put everything on his public records out there including his failure to pay child support and every domestic abuse issue with his ex, it was a circus. Now he closes his twitter and is claiming he's protecting sensitive stuff he's fixing to release, what a joke

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Prognightmare said:

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Don't know if true:

ETA: Isn't this obstruction of justice if true?

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Witness tampering. That's an Ooops, if true.

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Hmmm. I don't know the legal ramifications, but that would have disastrous political consequences for the democrats. How do you spell coverup and obstruction?

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This idiot is a complete cartoon now

He was fine until an LA times journalist tweeted a breaking news tweet on his $10MM default judgement, and because Flannigan didn't have a blue checkmark, Avenatti tweets back and claims he's a parody account and he'll sue him into oblivion, 10 minutes later the Story Prints in the LA TImes written by Flannigan and his world blew up from there and yesterday twitter was on fire calling this hack out, Robert Barnes basically put everything on his public records out there including his failure to pay child support and every domestic abuse issue with his ex, it was a circus. Now he closes his twitter and is claiming he's protecting sensitive stuff he's fixing to release, what a joke

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The SDNY and/or Mueller is feeding him endless information about Cohen, so only God knows what cherry picked garbage he will release in an attempt to do damage.

McCarthy's latest.

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Cruz just dropped out of the race. It's going to be a Clinton Trump race. Unbelievable."

It was a little after midnight on May 4, 2016. FBI lawyer Lisa Page was texting her paramour, FBI counterespionage agent Peter Strzok, about the most stunning development to date in the 2016 campaign: Donald Trump was now the inevitable Republican nominee. He would square off against Hillary Clinton, the Democrats' certain standard-bearer.

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The race was set . . . between two major-party candidates who were both under investigation by the FBI.
In stunned response, Strzok wrote what may be the only words we need to know, the words that reflected the mindset of his agency's leadership and of the Obama administration: "Now the pressure really starts to finish MYE."


MYE. That's Mid-Year Exam, the code-word the FBI had given to the Hillary Clinton emails probe.
"It sure does," responded Page. Mind you, she was not just any FBI lawyer; she was counsel and confidant to the bureau's No. 2 official, Deputy Director Andrew McCabe.

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Regardless of their politics (which, the texts show, are not as left-wing as some conservative-media hyperbole claims), these FBI officials are a window into how the Obama administration regarded the two investigations in which Strzok and Page were central players: Mid Year Exam and Trump-Russia the latter eventually code-named "Crossfire Hurricane."

The two investigations must not be compartmentalized. Manifestly, the FBI saw them as inseparably linked: Trump's victory in the primaries, the opening of his path to the Oval Office, meant first and foremost that the Hillary investigation had to be brought to a close.

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READ THE REST

Andrew McCarthy daily

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/trump-russia-investigation-clinton-email-fbi-linked-cases/