Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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Getting Contreras tossed for conflict might have been the event that allowed this break out in the open.
Was it ever revealed what his specific conflict was? I imagine that is not disclosed publicly but is there good speculation on what it was?
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FriscoKid said:

No way they just get all this dismissed and Mueller gets to pack his bags and the investigation is closed.

No way guys! You guys caused all this trouble for far too many people. This thing better boomerang back on the Clintons, Obama's, Justice, etc, etc. You called down "Russia"! Deal with it.
Dismissal might be the least of Team Mueller's problems at this point, with that judge. He could sanction the s*** out of them, individually. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ban them from his court. Recommend disciplinary action be taken against them, for instance.
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WhoopN06 said:

Getting Contreras tossed for conflict might have been the event that allowed this break out in the open.
Was it ever revealed what his specific conflict was? I imagine that is not disclosed publicly but is there good speculation on what it was?
He was on the FISA court and may have signed a (highly speculated, yet unconfirmed) Title I FISA warrant on Flynn.
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I hope you are right. I still have a little faith that justice will be done with all of this Russia crap.
Hillary paid for warrant to spy on Trump.
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FriscoKid said:

I hope you are right. I still have a little faith that justice will be done with all of this Russia crap.
yep....
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I love it when Ms. Hawg smells blood in the water! She's in full blast mode! Love it
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But how does that FISA warrant relate to Manafort? Are they using information gathered from the Flynn FISA against Manafort? I didn't think FISA could be used in criminal proceedings.

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Concur. Hawg is killing it for us. Thank you for doing this!
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aggiehawg said:

blindey said:

Berman Jackson is an Obama flunky.

Which is how team Mueller expected every last federal judge to act.

Good 'ol reality.
Yeah, but even she can take judicial notice of what Team Mueller has done in another federal court on the same subject, jurisdiction, that has been raised in her court. This is particularly true if she never demanded the unredacted version of the August 2, 2017 Rosenstein memo. (I don't she ever asked for it and likely has not seen it.)

Even Obama flunky judges don't want to be viewed as being horn swoggled in their own court room.
Perhaps. But the problem now is that she's already taken an "on the team" position.

Oh, and Hornswoggle??

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WhoopN06 said:

But how does that FISA warrant relate to Manafort? Are they using information gathered from the Flynn FISA against Manafort? I didn't think FISA could be used in criminal proceedings.


The Flynn case and the Manafort case got conflated in the recent posts. The question was about Judge Contreras' recusal in the Flynn case. So I answered that precise question.

Everything else I have been posting on is the Manafort case in the Eastern District of Virginia, regarding the late date "switching of hats" by Team Mueller.

As to the use of material obtained under FISA, there are circumstances where that evidence is used, particularly terrorism and espionage cases which FISA was designed to address.

In other cases attempting to use FISA material in a criminal trial has mixed results. Very specific to the circumstances presented to the court as to whether it could be admissible.
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Got it!
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aggiehawg said:

FriscoKid said:

No way they just get all this dismissed and Mueller gets to pack his bags and the investigation is closed.

No way guys! You guys caused all this trouble for far too many people. This thing better boomerang back on the Clintons, Obama's, Justice, etc, etc. You called down "Russia"! Deal with it.
Dismissal might be the least of Team Mueller's problems at this point, with that judge. He could sanction the s*** out of them, individually. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ban them from his court. Recommend disciplinary action be taken against them, for instance.


What percentage would you put in these happenings specifically the tossing of the case point? I've got to the point unless I see it happen I'm gunshy about things.
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What percentage would you put in these happenings specifically the tossing of the case point? I've got to the point unless I see it happen I'm gunshy about things.
Depends on how pissed Judge Ellis gets and what is in the unredacted Rosenstein memo he was provided under seal last Thursday. At a minimum, I'd wager he's thinking of demanding briefs from both parties regarding the law covering this new stance by Team Mueller. One last chance to show him why he shouldn't throw the book at them.

The way a cautious jurist tells the parties, "Show me where I am wrong, before I let the hammer fall."

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A year ago Gowdy was calling Comey "a stand up guy and he is not going to disseminate classified information...and not going to do it even if it casts him in a negative light"

My theory is Gowdy is leaving because disgusted by revelations from the Strozk & Page dismissal...he took a big shot to his pride being hoodwinked by Comey.

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Comey lied to Gowdy, repeatedly. (Although Comey is so warped by his self-view as being a Boy Scout that he convinces himself he's not really lying.)

Let's just say it this way: Doubt Comey will be calling Gowdy as character witness anytime soon.
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The problem with Gowdy is that Gowdy is fair and the deep state is the direct opposite !
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Clear now, but this Gowdy endorsement provided some cover fog for Comey's actual character
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aggiehawg said:

coyote68 said:

Much appreciated!
When I have to pick my jaw up off of the floor at the latest of Mueller's many legal hi-jinks, I forget that it sounds like a bunch of gobbledy gook to laypersons.

I'm playing catch-up, but I doubt this has been recommended.

https://openadvocate.org/writeclearly/



Staff - take out the trash.
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law-apt-3g said:

Clear now, but this Gowdy endorsement provided some cover fog for Comey's actual character
It is odd to me because Gowdy has that prosecutor's sixth sense when someone is lying to him, yet he could never detect deception from Comey, while his fellow committee member (and chairman at the time) Chaffetz, about fell out of his chair as his jaw dropped to the dais at Comey's nonchalant statements.
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Do you have information, a point, or a rebuttal?
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blindey said:

aggiehawg said:


Ellis may come unglued over it.
Can somebody find the committee that presents the Official Understatement of the Year Award and get this quote on their radar?

These are the exact sort of shenanigans that leave federal judges seeing 50 shades of red.
It just doesn't feel like a blindey post without a "They ded." at the end of it.
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Sarge 91 said:

pedro_martinez said:


Thread by @_VachelLindsay_: "1. I have no doubt that Obama will be indicted and found guilty of at least THREE major felonies, just from his central involvement in the f []" #ObamaGate #MAGA

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/998757150720589825.html
There will be riots in the streets the likes of which we have never seen.


And I'm locked and loaded. BRING IT!
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SpreadsheetAg said:


Meh... Not saying it's impossible that means what you're insinuating, but I think it was more that he didn't want to answer any questions about that.
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Good for Trump. I think he's been pretty consistent in these settings to only answer questions that are related shared interest with dignitaries at hand.
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aggiehawg said:

Warning! I am about to propose a hypothetical that can induce a dangerous rise in blood pressure, induce nausea and hives.

Ted Olson* had an article in The Weekly Standard a few days back regarding the question of whether Mueller could compel Trump's testimony and if so under which set of circumstances and what kind of evidence Mueller would need to present to SCOTUS. Although I find Olson's distinguishing United States v. Nixon and Jones v. Clinton from a case involving Trump and Mueller persuasive, his arguments are not dispositive of the issue, in my view.

If you wish to get into the weeds, the article is HERE.

Here's the nightmare scenario. Who retires from SCOTUS in a few weeks? Kennedy or Thomas? Or both? If anyone announces their retirement and it is effective immediately at the end of the term. Mueller then obtains the grand jury subpoena for Trump and the legal wrangling begins. What will the composition of SCOTUS be when the case reaches them on an expedited basis, sometime this summer or early fall? If it is Kennedy, we are a four-four split. But if it is Thomas? Holy Crap!

The only solution is for Trump to request he gets a heads up if anyone on Scotus wishes to retire and their retirement be contingent upon their successor being confirmed, IMO. But there are no guarantees that will happen. ETA: Not to go all Pelican Brief here but a SCOTUS assassination is always a possibility.

*Yes, I have been critical of Ted Olson in the past. He went BSC after his wife Barbara was killed on 9/11 in the crash into the Pentagon. He's definitely been left of center since that time so his conclusion that Mueller would likely lose in SCOTUS is note-worthy to me.


If it's Thomas, and he's alerted Trump, ... could Gowdy be "in the wings"?
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I hope not. Not a knock against Gowdy but there are numerous more qualified current judges that are more deserving of the nomination.
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If it's Thomas, and he's alerted Trump, ... could Gowdy be "in the wings"?
Thomas would have to make his retirement effective only upon confirmation of his successor.

There is a very slim chance Trump could get another SCOTUS pick confirmed before this matter reaches the Supreme Court under expedited procedures Mueller would invoke were he to have a grand jury issue a subpoena for Trump.

As for Gowdy, I take him at his word. He wants to go home to South Carolina and leave the swamp of DC behind him.
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Senor Cardgage said:

blindey said:

aggiehawg said:


Ellis may come unglued over it.
Can somebody find the committee that presents the Official Understatement of the Year Award and get this quote on their radar?

These are the exact sort of shenanigans that leave federal judges seeing 50 shades of red.
It just doesn't feel like a blindey post without a "They ded." at the end of it.
That would just be cruel in this case. Judge will take care of that for them.
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Someone is missing for Thursday's meeting:

From the Fox article:
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The FBI and Department of Justice will brief lawmakers Thursday on classified material they have requested relating to the FBI's actions during the 2016 campaign, the White House announced Tuesday.

The announcement followed revelations that an FBI informant had contacts with members of the Trump campaign.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders told reporters that the meeting, set up by Chief of Staff John Kelly, would take place on Thursday.

Trump met Monday with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray to discuss the expansion of the DOJ inspector general's investigation to include "irregularities" with the FBI or
DOJ's "tactics concerning the Trump campaign," Sanders said Monday.

The Thursday meeting will include FBI Director Wray along with House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., House Oversight Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., Director of Intelligence Dan Coats and Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General Ed O'Callahan. Although Kelly is setting up the meeting, he is not attending.

Sanders did not say what documents they would be viewing.


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https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/deputy-attorney-general-rod-rosenstein-announces-edward-o-callaghan-acting-principal
Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuesday, April 3, 2018

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein Announces Edward O'Callaghan as Acting Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General


Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein today announced that Edward O'Callaghan will serve as the Acting Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General. O'Callaghan, who has been serving as the Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the National Security Division, will replace Robert Hur, who is succeeding Rosenstein as the United States Attorney in the District of Maryland.

"Edward O'Callaghan has served the Department of Justice with distinction, excelling as a prosecutor in the Southern District of New York and most recently as the Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the National Security Division. His experiences in a variety of roles throughout the Department will be invaluable as we work to protect our national security, reduce violent crime, and promote the rule of law," said Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein. "I also want to thank Robert Hur for serving as the Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General. His counsel was invaluable over the past ten months and I look forward to seeing him thrive as the United States Attorney for the District of Maryland."

Prior to his appointment as Acting Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General, O'Callaghan most recently served as Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division, where he assisted the Assistant Attorney General in the administration of all units and components in the National Security Division, most notably in the Counterterrorism Section, the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section, the Office of Intelligence, the Office of Law & Policy, the Foreign Investment Review Staff, and the Office of Justice for the Victims of Overseas Terrorism. While awaiting the confirmation of Assistant Attorney General John Demers, O'Callaghan served as Acting Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division.

Before rejoining the Department of Justice in 2017, O'Callaghan was a partner at an international law firm. O'Callaghan specialized in defending financial institutions, public companies, asset management firms, and individuals in international and domestic regulatory investigations and criminal prosecutions. These cases involved securities fraud, bank fraud, money laundering, RICO, and corruption, among other things.

O'Callaghan previously served as an Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York from 1999 to 2008. He was also Co-Chief of the Terrorism & National Security Unit from 2005 to 2008. As an Assistant U.S. Attorney, O'Callaghan was the lead prosecutor on several important cases, including the Department of Justice's international fraud investigation and prosecutions in relation to corruption in the United Nations Oil-for-Food Program, RICO prosecutions of crime families, and numerous bank and securities fraud cases. He received the U.S. Attorney General's Award for Distinguished Service in 2008, and the Director's Award for Superior Performance as an Assistant U.S. Attorney in 2000.

After earning his J.D. from NYU Law School in 1994, O'Callaghan began his career as a clerk to the Honorable Kevin Thomas Duffy of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York.
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So Rosenstein is going to weasel out of the meeting? That explains why Trump refused to answer a question about him earlier today.

What a POS Rosenstein has turned out to be.
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He must have a scheduling conflict like Comey did
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aggiehawg said:

So Rosenstein is going to weasel out of the meeting?
I suspect that it wasn't his choice.
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