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Let me run this by the big thinkers in this thread. Remember the Trump Tower meeting with the Russian Lawyer?

Veselnitskaya who was all the rage of collusion from the left, spearheaded the Trump Tower meeting with the Trump campaign trio, and let's not forget, she was previously barred from entering the United Sates due to her alleged connections to the Russian FSB, and had been for a couple of years. Yet a mere 2 days before the June meeting, Veselnitskaya was granted a rare visa to enter the United States from Preet Bharara, the then U.S. Attorney for the SDNY. She meets with Glen Simpson the day before, does the meet, and then sees Simpson again right afterwards. That very timeline right there seems to be last in the fog of everything else. Simpson's employee Nellie Ohr, as their in house Russian expert and her husband Bruce Ohr is on the Mueller team.

Bet your ass Nellie gave the goods on the meeting to hubby who passed them to Mueller and company, and remember all the bad actors were still in place on the team. Now Veselnitskaya returned to Russia after the meeting, but only after making a very public showing at a congressional hearing, in where she took no part, nor was scheduled to. She managed to land a seat usually reserved for VIPs and staff members of people testifying, she's neither, and she's perched right behind the US Ambassador to Russia. This was the next day after the TT meeting.



This is where I think the DOJ tried to give cover this special status visa from Bharara. But here real purpose was there to give the DOJ foothold to open up more surveillance on the Trump Campaign. Fusion GPS may have played a role, with the help of the DOJ, in paying Veselnitskaya's way into the United States as well as a possible stipend, travel expenses and accommodations. Another huge reason they were fighting to hide their bank records tooth and nail.

I think that following the Trump Tower sit down with Veselnitskaya, FBI counter intelligence investigators began digitally wiretapping Paul Manafort, Trump Jr., and Jared Kushner who were also at the meeting. I think they have covered this surveillance by Fusion GPS producing the dossier and them attaching it to Carter Page who was served up by Brennan as an easy target for a FISA Title 1 warrant, and they could continue what they had already been doing, and with the FISA in place they could justify these three easily via two hop and they had the ability to go back in data history via the NSA, and it was this unusual amount of data mining on a presidential candidate that triggered the flags that prompted Adm. Rogers to run the audit and shut down the excesses and report the the incoming POTUS that his building was being surveilled and he should seek alternative offices. Which we know in 24 hrs the transition relocated to Trumps country club in NJ.

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Well Grassley isn't laying down on these personal email addresses and burners

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When I first saw Trump's tweet above, I said to myself that he meant "text messages" and not "Emails". Now I think he said "Emails" on purpose...and in reference to Grassley's letter...just to bring up "Emails" in daily discourse on the MSM. Trump's tweets often contain subtle messages.

Don't forget Lynch had to approve her to come into country earlier in 2016.

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Homeland's statement confirmed court testimony and records cited by The Hill on Wednesday that Veselnitskaya was initially turned down for a visa to enter the United States and required the special immigration parole permission as late as January 2016. The court records did not indicate how she entered the country after that time.

A federal prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney's office in Manhattan told the court in a hearing in January 2016 that the "extraordinary circumstances" parole request needed to be approved by Attorney General Loretta Lynch.

"In October the government bypassed the normal visa process and gave a type of extraordinary permission to enter the country called immigration parole," Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul Monteleoni was quoted in the court transcript as saying. "That's a discretionary act that the statute allows the attorney general to do in extraordinary circumstances. In this case, we did that so that Mr. Katsyv could testify. And we made the further accommodation of allowing his Russian lawyer into the country to assist."

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Lynch and Veselnitskaya

Wait what?! I've followed this story pretty closely but have somehow missed that Veselnitskaya met with Fusion GPS the day before and after the Trump Tower meeting. Where is that timeline backed up because that's pretty damning.

Hogties said:

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Wait what?! I've followed this story pretty closely but have somehow missed that Veselnitskaya met with Fusion GPS the day before and after the Trump Tower meeting. Where is that timeline backed up because that's pretty damning.

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Meeting with Simpson before and after her meeting with Don Jr. screams entrapment but at the very least it's pretty rich that Lynch and Bharara allowed an evil Russian into the country, kinda difficult for them to spin that but I'm sure they did.

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Hogties said:

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Wait what?! I've followed this story pretty closely but have somehow missed that Veselnitskaya met with Fusion GPS the day before and after the Trump Tower meeting. Where is that timeline backed up because that's pretty damning.

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Meeting with Simpson before and after her meeting with Don Jr. screams entrapment but at the very least it's pretty rich that Lynch and Bharara allowed an evil Russian into the country, kinda difficult for them to spin that but I'm sure they did.

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False. They didn't even have to spin it. It was ignored

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Hogties said:

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Wait what?! I've followed this story pretty closely but have somehow missed that Veselnitskaya met with Fusion GPS the day before and after the Trump Tower meeting. Where is that timeline backed up because that's pretty damning.

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That's been known for a while now, but there are just too many different moving parts with regards to this coup attempt. It's hard to keep up with.

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No joke.

Too many bed-wetting NeverTrumpers in the Deep State to keep track of.

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Prosperdick said:

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Hogties said:

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Wait what?! I've followed this story pretty closely but have somehow missed that Veselnitskaya met with Fusion GPS the day before and after the Trump Tower meeting. Where is that timeline backed up because that's pretty damning.

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Meeting with Simpson before and after her meeting with Don Jr. screams entrapment but at the very least it's pretty rich that Lynch and Bharara allowed an evil Russian into the country, kinda difficult for them to spin that but I'm sure they did.

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False. They didn't even have to spin it. It was ignored

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Actually it looks like she did:

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"In October the government bypassed the normal visa process and gave a type of extraordinary permission to enter the country called immigration parole," Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul Monteleoni was quoted in the court transcript as saying. "That's a discretionary act that the statute allows the attorney general to do in extraordinary circumstances. In this case, we did that so that Mr. Katsyv could testify. And we made the further accommodation of allowing his Russian lawyer into the country to assist."

Lynch issued a statement Thursday that distanced herself from any government decision to let the Russian lawyer enter the country, saying the former attorney general "does not have any personal knowledge of Ms. Veselnitskaya's travel."

The statement was issued after President Trump suggested Lynch might have been responsible for the Russian lawyer's encounter with his eldest son Donald Jr. that is now under investigation.

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She went with the ever popular Nathan R. Jessup's "I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the travel habits of William Santiago."

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I'm not confident much of the public can follow the legal minutia of this all. It has to be explained in simplified terms and then what was unlawful or unethical or improper needs to be outlined, and the harm to the public trust and rule of law made plain.

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Well, if there is one thing millennials tend to shout (even if they don't fully understand it) is DUE PROCESS.

Any American citizen can be branded "an agent of a foreign power" and spied upon, including cameras in their bedrooms, for instance. And all of their friends and their friends' friends can be unmasked and spied upon. They then can be criminally prosecuted as a direct result.

Start there.

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A young talented journalist could have a field day on this story with these social media comparisons.

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Imagine if Harvey Weinstein had a FISA warrant issued against him. With two hops, almost all of Hollywood would be fair game to be spied on; all texts, emails, phone calls.

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Prosperdick said:

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Hogties said:

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Wait what?! I've followed this story pretty closely but have somehow missed that Veselnitskaya met with Fusion GPS the day before and after the Trump Tower meeting. Where is that timeline backed up because that's pretty damning.

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Meeting with Simpson before and after her meeting with Don Jr. screams entrapment but at the very least it's pretty rich that Lynch and Bharara allowed an evil Russian into the country, kinda difficult for them to spin that but I'm sure they did.

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False. They didn't even have to spin it. It was ignored

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Actually it looks like she did:

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"In October the government bypassed the normal visa process and gave a type of extraordinary permission to enter the country called immigration parole," Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul Monteleoni was quoted in the court transcript as saying. "That's a discretionary act that the statute allows the attorney general to do in extraordinary circumstances. In this case, we did that so that Mr. Katsyv could testify. And we made the further accommodation of allowing his Russian lawyer into the country to assist."

Lynch issued a statement Thursday that distanced herself from any government decision to let the Russian lawyer enter the country, saying the former attorney general "does not have any personal knowledge of Ms. Veselnitskaya's travel."

The statement was issued after President Trump suggested Lynch might have been responsible for the Russian lawyer's encounter with his eldest son Donald Jr. that is now under investigation.

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She went with the ever popular Nathan R. Jessup's "I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the travel habits of William Santiago."

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Problem was she didn't testify, nor was she on the schedule to testify, but they somehow got her a VIP seat at the hearing right behind the main speaker, the US Ambassador to Russia, and she would be on 80% of the TV camera shots. Then after that appearance she went back to Russia reportedly.

Too convenient to be by accident

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Imagine if Harvey Weinstein had a FISA warrant issued against him. With two hops, almost all of Hollywood would be fair game to be spied on; all texts, emails, phone calls.

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Or Kevin Bacon?

I liken it to what we heard over and over again during the late 80s. "You are not sleeping with that one person, you are sleeping with every person they slept with." Becomes, "They aren't spying on just one person, they are spying on everyone with whom that person had/has contact."

The social media numbers could be staggering. Everyone on your FB friends list & everyone on their friends lists. Instagram and Twitter get really fun. Everyone you follow and everyone that follows you. Everyone they follow and everyone that follows them. You get celebrities with millions of followers and the number of people captured would be YUUUGE.

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I can't explain why, but Yates participation in all of this has had her in my top list of necks I want to see at the end of a rope.

There are a lot that likely deserve it, but she's irked me more than most of the bad actors, probably disproportionately relative to some of their treasons.

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Wait what?! I've followed this story pretty closely but have somehow missed that Veselnitskaya met with Fusion GPS the day before and after the Trump Tower meeting. Where is that timeline backed up because that's pretty damning.

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It was reported in several media outlets, and Simpson confirmed it with his own testimony under oath. Veselnitskaya met with Glenn Simpson, co-founder of Fusion GPS, before and after she met with Donald Trump Jr. at Trump Tower. A drunk George Papadopoulos spoke to Alexander Downer at London bar in May, 28th 2016, how strange only 11 days later this Russian Lawyer shows up at Trump Tower. Looks like a very consorted effort. Don't forget Alexander Downer's role in securing $25 million in aid from his country to help the Clinton Foundation. All just coincidental of course.



From the court document:

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At least three of the individuals who attended a meeting with Donald Trump, Jr. at Trump Tower on June 9, 2016 Soviet counterintelligence officer Rinat Akhmetshin, Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, and Russian-born interpreter Anatoloy Samochornov also have ties to Fusion GPS dating to at least 2015.

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All this BS raises questions with me about the motive behind the meeting between Veselnitskaya and Trump Jr. Was the sit down organized as a way to entrap Trump Jr. under the guise of discussing the Magnitsky Act? Was it a setup to justify a wire on Trump Tower? Remember this is pre-Cart Page FISA warrant. Let's not forget that the initial FiSA application in June of 2016 was turned down, is it just a coincidence that this meeting with the Russian's was thrown together last minute to get someone in Trump Tower? Seem fishy since she had nothing to say about the original premise of the meeting, they were there 20 minutes and escorted out of the building. The House Intelligence Committee finally reached a deal to obtain Fusion GPS's bank records after the firm behind the 'Trump dossier,' moved to block access. Unfortunately, the bank records remain confidential under sealed protective order. And to this day they were heavily redacted of names of payments and payees. I've yet to see or read where anyone has convinced a judge to force their full disclosure. Simpson revealed in sworn testimony the the DNC and Clinton paid for the dossier, to try and relieve the pressure to see the rest of the paid and payees.

I'm convinced the banking records may reveal if money changed hands between Fusion GPS and Veselnitskaya, which would further thicken a plot that would make Tom Clancy look tame. This thing is bizarre beyond all belief.

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I'm convinced the banking records may reveal if money changed hands between Fusion GPS and Veselnitskaya, which would further thicken a plot that would make Tom Clancy look tame. This thing is bizarre beyond all belief.

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Way past time to apply for a Title I FISA warrant on each of the owners of Fusion, GPS. And two hop the hell out of it. Fusion isn't registered as a lobbying firm. Their close ties to Veselnitskaya and others should be more than enough to credibly allege they are "agents of a foreign power."

Maybe that is a part of what Huber was doing?

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I'm convinced the banking records may reveal if money changed hands between Fusion GPS and Veselnitskaya, which would further thicken a plot that would make Tom Clancy look tame. This thing is bizarre beyond all belief.

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Way past time to apply for a Title I FISA warrant on each of the owners of Fusion, GPS. And two hop the hell out of it. Fusion isn't registered as a lobbying firm. Their close ties to Veselnitskaya and others should be more than enough to credibly allege they are "agents of a foreign power."

Maybe that is a part of what Huber was doing?

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No way Rosey is going to sign off on that, and Sessions is in San Diego making speeches.

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No way Rosey is going to sign off on that, and Sessions is in San Diego making speeches.

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Francisco is the current number 3 right?

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No way Rosey is going to sign off on that, and Sessions is in San Diego making speeches.

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Francisco is the current number 3 right?

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I thought it was Jesse Panuccio as AAG Noel Francisco is the Solicitor General not sure who you would consider #3

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Well Grassley isn't laying down on these personal email addresses and burners

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When I first saw Trump's tweet above, I said to myself that he meant "text messages" and not "Emails". Now I think he said "Emails" on purpose...and in reference to Grassley's letter...just to bring up "Emails" in daily discourse on the MSM. Trump's tweets often contain subtle messages.

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The gmail account with the email that never got sent?

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Jesse Panuccio is the Acting Associate Attorney General of the United States, overseeing the following Department of Justice components: Antitrust Division, Civil Division, Civil Rights Division, Environment and Natural Resources Division, Tax Division, Executive Office for U.S. Trustees, Office of Justice Programs, Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS), Office on Violence Against Women, Community Relations Service, Office of Information Policy, Foreign Claims Settlement Commission, and the Service members and Veterans Initiative. Mr. Panuccio also serves as the Department's Regulatory Reform Officer and chairs the Regulatory Reform Task Force.

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https://www.justice.gov/asg/staff-profile/meet-acting-associate-attorney-general

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Panuccio

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The Office of the Associate Attorney General (OASG) was created by Attorney General Order No. 699-77 on March 10, 1977.
As the third-ranking official at the Department of Justice, the ASG is a principal member of the Attorney General's senior management team.
The major functions of the ASG are to:

• Advise and assist the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General on the formulation and implementation of Department of Justice policies and programs.
  
• Supervise the work of the Civil, Civil Rights, Antitrust, Tax, and Environment and Natural Resources Divisions. The ASG also has oversight responsibility for the Office of Justice Programs, the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services, the Access to Justice Initiative, the Office of Dispute Resolution, the Office of Information Policy, the Community Relations Service, the Executive Office for United States Trustees, Office on Violence Against Women and the Foreign Claims Settlement Commission. The ASG also shares with the DAG oversight responsibility for the Office of Tribal Justice.

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I stand corrected. He's still the "Acting" Associate Attorney General, though. Is there another nominee from Trump that hasn't been confirmed?

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I stand corrected. He's still the "Acting" Associate Attorney General, though. Is there another nominee from Trump that hasn't been confirmed?

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Doesn't the AAG have to be confirmed? He was brought into the DOJ from elsewhere.

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Jesse Panuccio, Gov. Rick Scott's former general counsel and jobs chief, is acting associate attorney general of the United States, awaiting Senate confirmation, the third highest ranking official at the Department of Justice.

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Does Judge Ellis have the authority to order the US Attorney for EDVA, Tracy McCormick to give him the documentation explaining why the EDVA decided to not indict Manafort a decade ago with the same evidence that Mueller has used to indict him now ? Could it be two systems of Justice ? Pure Politics ?

Never sent? What do you mean?

No just trying to assess the White House level of comfort with him.

Here's my reasoning. Anything within a mile of Russia investigation, Sessions is gone. Anything that touches directly on Rosenstein, he is forced to recuse himself. Solid case that Rosenstein's signing off on the extension of the Carter Page Title I warrant, he should be out of the discussion.

If Rosenstein doesn't agree, he can write an Op-Ed in the Times and show his ass as trying to protect his own ass.

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No just trying to assess the White House level of comfort with him.

Here's my reasoning. Anything within a mile of Russia investigation, Sessions is gone. Anything that touches directly on Rosenstein, he is forced to recuse himself. Solid case that Rosenstein's signing off on the extension of the Carter Page Title I warrant, he should be out of the discussion.

If Rosenstein doesn't agree, he can write an Op-Ed in the Times and show his ass as trying to protect his own ass.

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The Associate Attorney General is appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.

28 U.S. Code 504a - Associate Attorney General - The President may appoint, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, an Associate Attorney General.

(Added Pub. L. 95139, 1(a), Oct. 19, 1977, 91 Stat. 1171.)

Last week Thomas Paine said that a major new organization was sitting on a major story involving McCabe and Mueller, and said if it didn't come out within the week, he would "name names". Is anything coming of this?