GCP12 said:
ETA: Dammit Deats!
Story of my life.
GCP12 said:
ETA: Dammit Deats!
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Just weeks earlier, Strzok texted about discussing an "insurance policy" in McCabe's office to seemingly prevent President Donald Trump from ever getting elected.
Weeks after that August text, it appears McCabe and Strzok put that policy to work.
Here is what happened, per FBI sources and source Intel.
On or about Oct. 12, FBI agents from the New York field office reported to Strzok and McCabe that they found damaging emails classified and possibly top secret warehoused on the laptop of Anthony Weiner. Those emails were to and from Hillary and top aide Huma Abedin, also the wife of Weiner.
The Wall Street Journal's reporting on the laptop case confirms the early October timeline divulged to True Pundit by FBI sources.FBI agents in New York expected Strzok through McCabe and then-FBI Director James Comey would seek a warrant so that the evidence found by FBI agents in Manhattan could be reviewed to potentially re-opend the Clinton email probe.Quote:
The latest development began in early October when New York-based FBI officials notified Andrew McCabe, the bureau's second-in-command, that while investigating Mr. Weiner for possibly sending sexually charged messages to a teenage minor, they had recovered a laptop. Many of the 650,000 emails on the computer, they said, were from the accounts of Ms. Abedin, according to people familiar with the matter.
But FBI agents in New York heard nothing for 15 days about any warrant which would have to be filed through the U.S. District Court in the southern district on New York because the FBI's Manhattan office had physical control of the Weiner laptop in evidence, which was used in Weiner's teen sexting case. The FBI had the laptop but Washington D.C. brass at FBI HQ had to file for a warrant to be able to legally use the emails of Hillary and Huma as evidence.
But again, nothing happened for 15 days after McCabe and Strzok were briefed by FBI agents in New York.
Well, almost nothing.
Hours after the FBI found classified Hillary Clinton emails on Weiner's laptop, the wife of the FBI agent running the high-profile probe was promoted to a powerful position in the Securities and Exchange Commission, FBI sources said.
Strzok's wife Melissa Hodgman was promoted to deputy director of SEC's Enforcement Division literally hours after Strzok and McCabe were briefed about the Clinton emails found on Weiner's computer.
Again, McCabe and Strzok were briefed about the emails on Oct. 12th. Hodgman was promoted at the SEC on Oct. 14th.
Then 13 days later, at a Comey-led staff meeting on Oct. 27, the issue was raised by FBI brass in New York asking why Comey or McCabe had not directed agents to file for a warrant to review 'new' Hillary email evidence, sources said.
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"To his credit, he (Comey) was pissed off and put things in motion" for the warrant, one FBI source said.
Another FBI source said Comey actually "panicked" after hearing about the new evidence.
"I thought McCabe was going to get fired after that move," one FBI veteran said. "Mueller (as FBI director) would have has his ass. He would have been gone."
What Comey did next adds context to the sentiment of these FBI sources.
The next day, Oct. 28, Comey worked the phone, according to sources and fired off a letter to lawmakers saying additional evidence had been found in the Hillary Clinton email investigation and the probe could be re-opened.
Comey did not tell lawmakers FBI officials concealed the email evidence for weeks.
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The large question here is: Did Comey panic and re-open the Hillary investigation because he was interested in justice, or simply because he wanted to cover himself if and when it was ever leaked that McCabe and Strzok withheld evidence in the high-profile case?
To protect himself for a time like now, when True Pundit broke the story.
So it seems McCabe & Strzok were just going to sit on the discovery of Hillary's e-mail cache on Weiner's laptop until it was brought to Comey's attention 15 days later by the NY FBI. IMO the NY FBI threatened to go public with the discovery of Hillary's e-mails (+ other goodies on the laptop) unless Comey took action. Regardless, it definitely looks like McCabe & Strzok intended to cover it up until after the election...and that ties in with a payoff to Strzok's wife in the form of the promotion.GCP12 said:
High schoolers know stuffHSFootballAg24 said:
But...but...Muller is a very biased Lib who hates Trump and is out to get him.
I am really starting to buy into the giant sting operation theory... Even if Mueller wanted to take down Trump, he had to know the team he assembled would look extremely partisan.akm91 said:
So this begs the question how Strzok ended up on Mueller's team?
Hollywood couldn't even dream up this stuff!GCP12 said:I am really starting to buy into the giant sting operation theory... Even if Mueller wanted to take down Trump, he had to know the team he assembled would look extremely partisan.akm91 said:
So this begs the question how Strzok ended up on Mueller's team?
I've been there (sting opr.) for some time and in my simple mind, it explains why Sessions (and Dir. Wray) has been so passive with respect to Mueller's team and recent revelations. I want to believe something extraordinary (from a historical aspect) is coming. For some reason, I suspect Comey, Mueller, etc. have concluded the IC as well as other govt. agencies have been used/abused by politicians for too long and intend to put an end to it. I hope they burst the dam and drain the swamp regardless of party caught in the flood.GCP12 said:I am really starting to buy into the giant sting operation theory... Even if Mueller wanted to take down Trump, he had to know the team he assembled would look extremely partisan.akm91 said:
So this begs the question how Strzok ended up on Mueller's team?
Nah, Comey's antipathy towards Trump is real, not an act. As Mueller's bestie he would have told Mueller there was nothing to the Russia collusion after the FBI had thrown everything but the kitchen sink at their investigation for the previous year.GCP12 said:I am really starting to buy into the giant sting operation theory... Even if Mueller wanted to take down Trump, he had to know the team he assembled would look extremely partisan.akm91 said:
So this begs the question how Strzok ended up on Mueller's team?
Oh I understand the theory. Just don't find it persuasive enough to be plausible.GCP12 said:
I don't think you're understanding the theory.
The theory is that Mueller picked all these people for the investigation to keep them busy and entrap them while the OIG did his investigation into all the people involved in the Hillary investigation.
You might be right, but that is exactly what Mueller would want it to look like.
Ah, ok. That is plenty fair.aggiehawg said:Oh I understand the theory. Just don't find it persuasive enough to be plausible.GCP12 said:
I don't think you're understanding the theory.
The theory is that Mueller picked all these people for the investigation to keep them busy and entrap them while the OIG did his investigation into all the people involved in the Hillary investigation.
You might be right, but that is exactly what Mueller would want it to look like.
The OIG investigation began in January, well before SC was on the radar.Just an Ag said:
I have a hard time buying into the giant sting operation, but I DO believe it's possible the OIG is a deliberate counter-investigation to the Mueller probe. Dueling investigations, so to speak.
True. However, the Trump Team suspected these actions had taken place, suspected their origin, and needed this investigation to flush out the details. The creation of the Mueller investigation is something they simply had to react to once it commenced.akm91 said:The OIG investigation began in January, well before SC was on the radar.Just an Ag said:
I have a hard time buying into the giant sting operation, but I DO believe it's possible the OIG is a deliberate counter-investigation to the Mueller probe. Dueling investigations, so to speak.
First of all, let's hear it for "as I have aged"!Just an Ag said:
I have a hard time buying into the giant sting operation, but I DO believe it's possible the OIG is a deliberate counter-investigation to the Mueller probe. Dueling investigations, so to speak.
The implication that Comey came forward in an attempt to do the right thing also comports to my default, naive and gullible belief, that most people of high positions are professionals and have integrity that want what is right for the country. (That belief has been shaken tremendously as I have aged, and with time I have tempered it with a healthy dose of cynicism.) I can be convinced that Comey was outraged at the acts of Strzok and McCabe and, in an effort to do the right thing, reopened the Clinton email investigation, and at the same time tried to cover the tracks of those under his supervision in a way to prevent public disgrace of the FBI. There are still loose ends to that thought, but the pieces could later fall in to place.
But, I am thinking that Strzok & McCabe and a few of their close confidants could've acted rogue and these are shameful creatures worthy of prosecution (if the suspicions are true). Unbeknownst to Comey, they were involved in the bogus dossier and they used it to get FISA warrants; they suppressed information related to the Clinton email investigation; they used their positions to continue their malicious intent on Trump by gaining access to Trump/Russia via assignment to Mueller's investigation.
Common sense tells me this is a small cabal of rogue actors being party to a far reaching plot (plot may be too strong of term, let just say a 'sequence of events'), fueled by nothing but partisan bias and hatred, against Trump. Yes, you can probably trace some actions back to the Clinton/DNC in an effort to get oppo data, and some back to the Obama White House on the FISA and unmasking. Those are rabbit trails to be explored later, after we get to the bottom of this mess.F
drcrinum said:Regardless, it definitely looks like McCabe & Strzok intended to cover it up until after the election...and that ties in with a payoff to Strzok's wife in the form of the promotion.GCP12 said:
Timing of McCabe's wife's run for office and Hillary email investigationQuote:
News that Clinton was using a private email account in violation of federal record-keeping requirements, broke March 2, 2015.
McCabe announced her candidacy 10 days later on March 12, 2015.
Most likely, no he didn't. But it isn't unheard of to keep questing people after they have taken the 5th to exasperate them into saying something else. It's a dirty, yet effective tactic. (Not that I ever did that, practicing civil trial law. There were a few occasions when the person being deposed should have taken the 5th, however.)Deats said:
Guess he didn't take the 5th.
its also useful in a summary judgment context. You have to ask all of your questions so they can take the 5th and then you can use the inference against them later.aggiehawg said:Most likely, no he didn't. But it isn't unheard of to keep questing people after they have taken the 5th to exasperate them into saying something else. It's a dirty, yet effective tactic. (Not that I ever did that, practicing civil trial law. There were a few occasions when the person being deposed should have taken the 5th, however.)Deats said:
Guess he didn't take the 5th.
LOL. Never had that situation present itself but can see the advantages in a sum judgment argument.Quote:
its also useful in a summary judgment context. You have to ask all of your questions so they can take the 5th and then you can use the inference against them later.
Aahh, yes. When your client turns out to be Satan Incarnate and has repeatedly lied to you and you go into court without a clue. Fun times.Proc92 said:
In my younger days had a summary judgment hearing that required a separation agreement and release to be proved up. The other side denied it was their guy's signature on the release. Continued hearing to get the secretary (who notarized it) of my guy. She evaded contact and then had a lawyer call us to say she would not testify and would plead the fifth at any deposition or hearing. We fired the client. Fun hearing. Don't miss litigation or clients.
akm91 said:
If Mueller is as thorough and detail oriented as everyone says he is, then the giant sting operation is a bit more plausible given.