Behind paywall.

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McCabe didn't flip

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You don't know that. We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. Providing those texts is more cooperation than we've seen from the FBI in a long time.

What do y'all mean by "flipped" here?

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What do y'all mean by "flipped" here?

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Giving team trump the details of what went on with the Hillary investigation, Trump investigation(dossier) etc.

In this particular instance, he is helping the OIG

HSFootballAg24 said:

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I'm not self banning. There's a good chance that I'll continue on this thread. I just don't want to clutter it by arguing baseless and petty claims that I'm a troll.

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Everything you post is clutter

McCabe flipping to who? Mueller? I really can't see that unless there's a LOT more going on that we don't suspect.

Rockdoc said:

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McCabe flipping to who? Mueller? I really can't see that unless there's a LOT more going on that we don't suspect.

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Team Trump. Whether Mueller is a part of that is also up for debate. This is only based on him providing information to the OIG. Which is a pretty safe assumption the OIG, from what is coming out, is on Team Trump.

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McCabe flipping to who? Mueller? I really can't see that unless there's a LOT more going on that we don't suspect.

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Guess he's saving his hide since Strzok and Priestap connects back to him?

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It's a long read, but this may well be the the scheme that the OIG & Sessions have in play.

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Sessions has to remain at arm's length on this. OIG is separate. (And I hate Sessions as AG but not for this. He can't interfere nor collude with OIG investigation and report.)

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But once the OIG report is released, then Sessions will be able to act on the OIG recommendations, correct?

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Oh yes! He can fire them and convene grand juries for indictments (unless Russia-related). Probably the biggest fallout from the OIG report will be the final nail in the coffin for Mueller's investigation.

It will take some major mental and legal gymnastics to continue to justify the investigation of something based completely on an elaborate lie.

Let's go back to Flynn for a moment. I am not stating this a fact but reports do lead to these assumptions. Dossier is used as justification for FISA warrants (illegal); Flynn is targeted as a result (still illegal); Flynn is questioned about the conversations overheard on the illegal surveillance (perjury trap); the evidence proving Flynn committed perjury was illegally obtained and thus inadmissible at any criminal trial.

That's the appellate argument for setting aside his guilty plea. Vast prosecutorial misconduct. Remember Oliver North had his convictions set aside for much less. That was a limited immunity situation but all of the evidence used against him originated or otherwise was related to the immunized testimony. Very hard to thread that needle and separate out one piece of evidence from another in a narrative. Taints the whole process.

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McCabe flipping to who? Mueller? I really can't see that unless there's a LOT more going on that we don't suspect.

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Team Trump. Whether Mueller is a part of that is also up for debate. This is only based on him providing information to the OIG. Which is a pretty safe assumption the OIG, from what is coming out, is on Team Trump.

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I don't want OIG to be on any team. I want OIG to be non-political and thorough.

Correct. Sorry, that was my bias speaking. Trump, in my mind, is cleaning up the corruption. So, by team Trump, I mean team anti-corruption

Sorry for so many questions but exactly who are all these hundreds of people in the OIG? How do we know they are not part of the swamp that needs draining? It's hard to believe there are that many truly unbiased people in DC.

And there's still the puzzle of the judge recusing from the Flynn case that is bizarre.

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McCabe flipping to who? Mueller? I really can't see that unless there's a LOT more going on that we don't suspect.

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Guess he's saving his hide since Strzok and Priestap connects back to him?

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McCabe has not flipped. If he had he would have already been reassigned. The chance that he's just sitting in his office day after day with all of his phones and computers turned off to maintain some illusion that he hasn't is too unbelievable.

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Sorry for so many questions but exactly who are all these hundreds of people in the OIG? How do we know they are not part of the swamp that needs draining? It's hard to believe there are that many truly unbiased people in DC.

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Look, none of us can say for sure that they are. You just have to believe there are still good people left in DC. The difference now being that Trump and his administration have freed them to do their job.

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Sorry for so many questions but exactly who are all these hundreds of people in the OIG? How do we know they are not part of the swamp that needs draining? It's hard to believe there are that many truly unbiased people in DC.

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Everyone has biases. The question is can these people set aside the biases and do their job professionally. Many seem to think the IG in charge can.

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And there's still the puzzle of the judge recusing from the Flynn case that is bizarre.

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True. And that possibly goes back to the FISA warrant issue. He discovers he was lied to in the FISA warrant request and cannot preside over proceedings directly related to a faulty surveillance request. Fruit of the poisonous tree argument.

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Sorry for so many questions but exactly who are all these hundreds of people in the OIG? How do we know they are not part of the swamp that needs draining? It's hard to believe there are that many truly unbiased people in DC.

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Look, none of us can say for sure that they are. You just have to believe there are still good people left in DC. The difference now being that Trump and his administration have freed them to do their job.

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The Obama Administration stone-walled and refused to cooperate with various OIG's. IIRC, Obama even had one fired for asking too many questions on the wrong subjects. (Lerner related, I think.)

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Sorry for so many questions but exactly who are all these hundreds of people in the OIG? How do we know they are not part of the swamp that needs draining? It's hard to believe there are that many truly unbiased people in DC.

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Look, none of us can say for sure that they are. You just have to believe there are still good people left in DC. The difference now being that Trump and his administration have freed them to do their job.

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The Obama Administration stone-walled and refused to cooperate with various OIG's. IIRC, Obama even had one fired for asking too many questions on the wrong subjects. (Lerner related, I think.)

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Yup. That is the key here. If you don't believe Trump is different and willing to take down the swamp, then none of this matters and the IG report will be a nothing burger

I assume if McCabe flipped he would not be FBI director and would have an attorney by now? If Mueller had something on him and he is throwing others under the bus to save his hide (and other) that would validate the politicization of the FBI even more.

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HSFootballAg24 said:

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I'm not self banning. There's a good chance that I'll continue on this thread. I just don't want to clutter it by arguing baseless and petty claims that I'm a troll.

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Everything you post is clutter

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That poster is truly a 14 year old or MFBarnes

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It's a long read, but this may well be the the scheme that the OIG & Sessions have in play.

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Sessions has to remain at arm's length on this. OIG is separate. (And I hate Sessions as AG but not for this. He can't interfere nor collude with OIG investigation and report.)

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But once the OIG report is released, then Sessions will be able to act on the OIG recommendations, correct?

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Oh yes! He can fire them and convene grand juries for indictments (unless Russia-related). Probably the biggest fallout from the OIG report will be the final nail in the coffin for Mueller's investigation.

It will take some major mental and legal gymnastics to continue to justify the investigation of something based completely on an elaborate lie.

Let's go back to Flynn for a moment. I am not stating this a fact but reports do lead to these assumptions. Dossier is used as justification for FISA warrants (illegal); Flynn is targeted as a result (still illegal); Flynn is questioned about the conversations overheard on the illegal surveillance (perjury trap); the evidence proving Flynn committed perjury was illegally obtained and thus inadmissible at any criminal trial.

That's the appellate argument for setting aside his guilty plea. Vast prosecutorial misconduct. Remember Oliver North had his convictions set aside for much less. That was a limited immunity situation but all of the evidence used against him originated or otherwise was related to the immunized testimony. Very hard to thread that needle and separate out one piece of evidence from another in a narrative. Taints the whole process.

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I just want to say, that I am SO glad A-Hawg is back!

More coincidences...

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Hours after the FBI found classified Hillary Clinton emails on Anthony Weiner's laptop, the wife of the FBI agent running the high-profile probe was promoted to a powerful position in the Securities and Exchange Commission, FBI sources said.

This case keeps getting worse for the FBI and embattled agent Peter Strzok, the lead investigator on the Clinton probe. His wife Melissa Hodgman was promoted to deputy director of SEC's Enforcement Division literally hours after Strzok and FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe were debriefed about the Clinton emails found on Weiner's computer.

The FBI's original warrant for Weiner's laptop was issued in late September 2016 and a subsequent warrant was issued on Oct. 30, 2016 so that the FBI could use Huma Abedin's & Hillary's classified emails as evidence in the re-opened Clinton probe.

Hodgman was promoted Oct. 14, 2016, literally hours after investigators started to examine the laptop's contents for Clinton emails and assorted files, federal sources confirm.

Federal sources said the FBI field office in New York, who handled the original Weiner warrant for then-US Attorney Preet Bharara, reported to Strzok and McCabe that they had found evidence pertaining to the Hillary Clinton email case on Oct. 12, 2016, federal sources said.

About 36 hours later, Hodgman was promoted in the SEC.

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Perhaps Hodgman's promotion was merely happenstance?

"There are no coincidences here," one FBI source told True Pundit. "Not with this crew. They wanted his wife in that SEC slot for a reason."

But why?

Enter the Clinton Foundation.

We know know what the FBI presumably knew on Oct. 13, 2016 when they seized the laptop during a search warrant at Weiner and Huma Abedin's Manhattan residence: There were thousands of documents on the laptop related to the Clinton Foundation, including offshore financial records.

With that evidence as well as thousands more of classified emails linked to Hillary on the laptop FBI sources said agents and brass knew immediately the Bureau would likely reopen the criminal case against Clinton. And ex-Director James Comey did just that two weeks later.

Hence the rush to get an insurance policy in place at the SEC in case things heated up on the white-collar crime side.

With Hodgman at the SEC and Strzok at the FBI it would be virtually impossible to even know what cases linked to the Clinton Foundation had criminal merit, if each were trying to keep all things Clinton-related quiet.

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Thanks.

The roaring crescendo of false information and deliberate mischaracterizations makes it difficult even for experienced lawyers to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Bottom line. FBI and other intelligence agencies had been investigating the "Russia collusion" theory for over a year and a half. And that's using the NSA to query huge databases for intercepts and mass unmasking of private citizens. They threw everything but the kitchen sink at this and did so with actual malice. There was no giving the benefit of the doubt on even the most innocuous and legal statements nor actions. Every nefarious motive was assumed from the get go.

And what have they got? Manafort for some sleazy and sloppy financial dealings before his brief attachment to the Trump campaign and a dubious Martha Stewart charge against Papadopoulos and Flynn. Possible Logan Act violation that has never been enforced and is quite probably unconstitutional anyway??

I call 'em like I see 'em. And the most wrongdoing and criminal conspiracy activity I'm seeing is at the prosecution table, not the defense table.

Oh boy, Trump messed up so much stuff by winning. Lol

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More coincidences...

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Hours after the FBI found classified Hillary Clinton emails on Anthony Weiner's laptop, the wife of the FBI agent running the high-profile probe was promoted to a powerful position in the Securities and Exchange Commission, FBI sources said.

This case keeps getting worse for the FBI and embattled agent Peter Strzok, the lead investigator on the Clinton probe. His wife Melissa Hodgman was promoted to deputy director of SEC's Enforcement Division literally hours after Strzok and FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe were debriefed about the Clinton emails found on Weiner's computer.

The FBI's original warrant for Weiner's laptop was issued in late September 2016 and a subsequent warrant was issued on Oct. 30, 2016 so that the FBI could use Huma Abedin's & Hillary's classified emails as evidence in the re-opened Clinton probe.

Hodgman was promoted Oct. 14, 2016, literally hours after investigators started to examine the laptop's contents for Clinton emails and assorted files, federal sources confirm.

Federal sources said the FBI field office in New York, who handled the original Weiner warrant for then-US Attorney Preet Bharara, reported to Strzok and McCabe that they had found evidence pertaining to the Hillary Clinton email case on Oct. 12, 2016, federal sources said.

About 36 hours later, Hodgman was promoted in the SEC.

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Perhaps Hodgman's promotion was merely happenstance?

"There are no coincidences here," one FBI source told True Pundit. "Not with this crew. They wanted his wife in that SEC slot for a reason."

But why?

Enter the Clinton Foundation.

We know know what the FBI presumably knew on Oct. 13, 2016 when they seized the laptop during a search warrant at Weiner and Huma Abedin's Manhattan residence: There were thousands of documents on the laptop related to the Clinton Foundation, including offshore financial records.

With that evidence as well as thousands more of classified emails linked to Hillary on the laptop FBI sources said agents and brass knew immediately the Bureau would likely reopen the criminal case against Clinton. And ex-Director James Comey did just that two weeks later.

Hence the rush to get an insurance policy in place at the SEC in case things heated up on the white-collar crime side.

With Hodgman at the SEC and Strzok at the FBI it would be virtually impossible to even know what cases linked to the Clinton Foundation had criminal merit, if each were trying to keep all things Clinton-related quiet.

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So in the end, a Weiner could still bring down Hillary?

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Sorry for so many questions but exactly who are all these hundreds of people in the OIG? How do we know they are not part of the swamp that needs draining? It's hard to believe there are that many truly unbiased people in DC.

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Everyone has biases. The question is can these people set aside the biases and do their job professionally. Many seem to think the IG in charge can.

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At some point, any decent human has to say to themselves "This is bigger than any political party." To be clear, if there are any Republicans involved I want them to go down too.

We need to get our country back! Drain the effing swamp!

If the swamp doesn't get drained, you can read in the world history books what is in store for our country.

The wives!!!

Q message from December 11 about following the wives:

Not only Strzok's wife, but Ohr's (separate thread) & McCabe's (campaign donations) are related to the plot. There is also stuff on Rosenstein's wife:

Rosenstein is married to Lisa Barsoomian. Gerog Webb has been tweeting about her:

And Roger Stone writes about her:

https://stonecoldtruth.com/muller-rosenstein-and-comey-the-three-amigos-from-the-deep-state/

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....Enter Lisa Barsoomian, wife of Rod Rosenstein. Lisa is a high-powered attorney in Washington, DC, who specializes in opposing Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of the Deep State, err, I mean, the Intelligence Communities.

Lisa Barsoomian works for R. Craig Lawrence, an attorney who has represented Robert Mueller three times, James Comey five times, Barack Obama forty-five times, Kathleen Sebellius fifty-six times, Bill Clinton forty times, and Hillary Clinton seventeen times between 1991 and 2017.

Barsoomian participated in some of this work personally and has herself represented the FBI at least five separate times. It would be great to research the specifics of the cases she worked in, many of the documents from the Court Docket relating to these cases have been removed from the D.C. District and Appeals Court, including her representation for Clinton in 1998's case Hamburg. V. Clinton.

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It's a family affair....a picnic in the Swamp.

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Good luck finding more than a handful of liberals who share your sentiments. They are all-in for power, and they'll do absolutely anything to gain it. Lie, steal, cheat, kill. Nothing at all is off the table.

Here is a photo of Rosenstein with his wife and daughters.

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Sorry for so many questions but exactly who are all these hundreds of people in the OIG? How do we know they are not part of the swamp that needs draining? It's hard to believe there are that many truly unbiased people in DC.

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Well, the first question that came to mind was how is OIG chosen?

I know there was some question during the Obama years of DOJ asking the political views of any prospective employee. It wasn't a very big story, and was quickly denied. There wasn't really any way to prove it, but I'm fairly sure it was true.

Just look at the DOJ, State Department, and apparently the FBI. So, using that unproven suspicion, I'm certain it's possible to stock the OIG with BENT Obama/Clinton types----I know, "BENT Obama/Clinton" is redundant.

Secondly, the odds of someone being a Dem in DC is about 80% to 90%. Unless they bring in someone from the outside, it's highly likely they're a lefty. As such, it means that person would be quite susceptible to "rounding the corners" in an official report.

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.Enter Lisa Barsoomian, wife of Rod Rosenstein. Lisa is a high-powered attorney in Washington, DC, who specializes in opposing Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of the Deep State, err, I mean, the Intelligence Communities.

Lisa Barsoomian works for R. Craig Lawrence, an attorney who has represented Robert Mueller three times, James Comey five times, Barack Obama forty-five times, Kathleen Sebellius fifty-six times, Bill Clinton forty times, and Hillary Clinton seventeen times between 1991 and 2017.

Barsoomian participated in some of this work personally and has herself represented the FBI at least five separate times. It would be great to research the specifics of the cases she worked in, many of the documents from the Court Docket relating to these cases have been removed from the D.C. District and Appeals Court, including her representation for Clinton in 1998's case Hamburg. V. Clinton.

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Oh good Lord! Makes me long for the days when the biggest "wife problem" was John Mitchell's wife, Martha, a boozy broad with loose lips.