captkirk said:
The NYT has reported the 2nd whistle blower was a source for 1st whistle blower. How is this supposed to provide any new bombshell information?
I don't see how the "source" can claim whistleblower status now since what he/she is claiming has been out in the open for weeks now.txaggie_08 said:captkirk said:
The NYT has reported the 2nd whistle blower was a source for 1st whistle blower. How is this supposed to provide any new bombshell information?
The second whistleblower just looking for protection since they had none as the original leaker?
They are. And the Intelligence Community Whistle blower Protection Act is inapplicable to a Presidential conversation with another head of State. First, on it's face the statute does not specifically include the President. A necessity when the President is exercising an enumerated Article II power (foreign relations). And second, a conversation with another head of State is not an intelligence operation.Quote:
It appears to me that agency whistleblower procedures are for addressing agency issues.
while Kelly Anne Conway was having her nuclear warhead press gaggle, she said something very important that the predatory press glossed right over.aggiehawg said:They are. And the Intelligence Community Whistle blower Protection Act is inapplicable to a Presidential conversation with another head of State. First, on it's face the statute does not specifically include the President. A necessity when the President is exercising an enumerated Article II power (foreign relations). And second, a conversation with another head of State is not an intelligence operation.Quote:
It appears to me that agency whistleblower procedures are for addressing agency issues.
And the left will claim that the recipient of the leak had the needed security clearance, while leaving out that you also have a need to know. Security clearance alone isn't enough to receive classified material.Bonfire1996 said:while Kelly Anne Conway was having her nuclear warhead press gaggle, she said something very important that the predatory press glossed right over.aggiehawg said:They are. And the Intelligence Community Whistle blower Protection Act is inapplicable to a Presidential conversation with another head of State. First, on it's face the statute does not specifically include the President. A necessity when the President is exercising an enumerated Article II power (foreign relations). And second, a conversation with another head of State is not an intelligence operation.Quote:
It appears to me that agency whistleblower procedures are for addressing agency issues.
"Every phone conversation the President has with another country, by its very nature, is classified."
I think everyone in the media and Congress has just glossed over that simple fact. A whistleblower sharing the data with anyone, is a unauthorized leak. That it made it to other people outside the IG office is a second step of a felony leak.
It's pretty extraordinary.
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The Blaze has released an audio recording that they recently obtained that appears to show Artem Sytnyk, Director of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, admitting that he tried to boost the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton by sabotaging then-candidate Donald Trump's campaign.
The connection between the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Ukrainian government was veteran Democratic operative Alexandra Chalupa, "who had worked in the White House Office of Public Liaison during the Clinton administration" and then "went on to work as a staffer, then as a consultant, for Democratic National Committee," Politico reported.
Chalupa was working directly with the Ukrainian embassy in the United States to raise concerns about Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and, according to Politico, she indicated that the Embassy was working "directly with reporters researching Trump, Manafort and Russia to point them in the right directions."
The Ukrainian embassy political officer who worked at the embassy at the time, Andrii Telizhenko, stated that the Ukrainians "were coordinating an investigation with the Hillary team on Paul Manafort with Alexandra Chalupa" and that "the embassy worked very closely with" Chalupa.
The Blaze highlighted an email from WikiLeaks from Chalupa to Louise Miranda at the DNC:
Hey, a lot coming down the pipe. I spoke to a delegation of 68 investigative journalists from Ukraine last night at the Library of Congress, the Open World Society forum. They put me on the program to speak specifically about Paul Manafort. I invited Michael Isikoff, who I've been working with for the past few weeks, and connected him to the Ukrainians. More offline tomorrow, since there was a big Trump component you and Lauren need to be aware of that will hit in the next few weeks. Something I'm working on that you should be aware of.
The Blaze then reported that Sytnyk, who eventually "was tried and convicted in Ukraine for interfering in the U.S. presidential election in 2016," released a "black ledger" on Manafort during the 2016 presidential election that eventually led to Manafort's downfall.
"So here he is. He is admitting to tampering with our elections. Admitted working with the Hillary Clinton campaign," Glenn Beck said during a 2-hour special presentation by The Blaze on Ukraine's interference in the U.S. election. "He is actually convicted in the highest court in the land in Ukraine. This is all front page news in Ukraine, while we are saying, 'Was there anyone tampering with the election?'"
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They're going work overtime to smear The Blaze.policywonk98 said:
At some point in the past NYT and WaPo would have been embarrassed to get scooped by The Blaze and gone full tilt to outscoop for the remainder of this story. Will they even lift a finger on this?
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.....Although the details are different no mention this time of hookers and golden showers the whistleblower's central claim closely resembles the thesis laid out in the anti-Trump dossier compiled by the former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, which the FBI used as its roadmap to collusion: That Trump took or solicited dirt on his Democratic opponent from a foreign power in exchange for favors to that country's government......
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There appears to be a shift in the way media are reporting about Joseph Mifsud, one of the central figures of the 2016 Russia investigation, coinciding with the progress of Attorney General William Barr's review of the investigation's origins.
While media previously portrayed Mifsud as a mysterious character with nefarious ties to Russia, it appears the narrative has switched to downplaying his importance.
As the official narrative goes, Mifsud allegedly told a Trump campaign aide in April 2016 that Russians had "dirt" on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in the form of "thousands of emails." This information was ultimately used by the FBI to open a counterintelligence investigation that involved extensive spying on Trump campaign staff.
The initial portrayal of Mifsud as a Russian spy was undermined by the fact that Mifsud had extensive contacts with people in the Western political, diplomatic, security, intelligence, and even counterterrorism circles, and none of them seemed to be concerned enough to keep distance from Mifsud.
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CLAPPER: The message I'm getting from all this is, apparently what we were supposed to have done was to ignore the Russian interference, ignore the Russian meddling and the threat that it poses to us, and oh, by the way, blown off what the then commander in chief, President Obama, told us to do, which was to assemble all the reporting that we could that we had available to us
CLAPPER: and put it in one report that the president could pass on to the Congress and to the next administration. And while we're at it, declassify as much as we possibly could to make it public, and that's what we did.
SCIUTTO: One issue I'm (crosstalk)
CLAPPER: It's kind of disconcerting now to be investigated for, you know having done our duty and done what we were told to do by the president.
nortex97 said:
Also, Clapper on CNN: "Obama made us run a counter-intelligence operation against Trump, including using oconus lures, intelligence assets from five eyes countries, and FISA 702 (16)and (17) wiretapping, contractor 'About' searches, starting in 2015 using Hillary research/dirt on him from Russia." The fear is palpable, which is great news.Quote:
CLAPPER: The message I'm getting from all this is, apparently what we were supposed to have done was to ignore the Russian interference, ignore the Russian meddling and the threat that it poses to us, and oh, by the way, blown off what the then commander in chief, President Obama, told us to do, which was to assemble all the reporting that we could that we had available to us
CLAPPER: and put it in one report that the president could pass on to the Congress and to the next administration. And while we're at it, declassify as much as we possibly could to make it public, and that's what we did.
SCIUTTO: One issue I'm (crosstalk)
CLAPPER: It's kind of disconcerting now to be investigated for, you know having done our duty and done what we were told to do by the president.
Befehl ist Befehl, if you know what I mean.MouthBQ98 said:
So, the "just following orders" sneaks out. Also, "for the good of the nation".
And that's why we've had 3 years of ORANGE MAN BAD while the economy hums along and unemployment is at 50 year lows...they have to convince the public that Trump is evil and Obama was justified in directing the alphabet agencies to run a counter-intel op and spy on him.MouthBQ98 said:
So, the "just following orders" sneaks out. Also, "for the good of the nation".
policywonk98 said:
So do I have this summed up right. If you try to do stuff like this covertly using made up evidence, you are a great president. When you are calling for investigations of corruption openly based on real evidence, you should be impeached?
This seems like quite an admissionnortex97 said:
Also, Clapper on CNN: "Obama made us run a counter-intelligence operation against Trump, including using oconus lures, intelligence assets from five eyes countries, and FISA 702 (16)and (17) wiretapping, contractor 'About' searches, starting in 2015 using Hillary research/dirt on him from Russia." The fear is palpable, which is great news.Quote:
CLAPPER: The message I'm getting from all this is, apparently what we were supposed to have done was to ignore the Russian interference, ignore the Russian meddling and the threat that it poses to us, and oh, by the way, blown off what the then commander in chief, President Obama, told us to do, which was to assemble all the reporting that we could that we had available to us
CLAPPER: and put it in one report that the president could pass on to the Congress and to the next administration. And while we're at it, declassify as much as we possibly could to make it public, and that's what we did.
SCIUTTO: One issue I'm (crosstalk)
CLAPPER: It's kind of disconcerting now to be investigated for, you know having done our duty and done what we were told to do by the president.
I've yet to see any real Russians in the "Russian Interference" plotQuote:
CLAPPER: The message I'm getting from all this is, apparently what we were supposed to have done was to ignore the Russian interference, ignore the Russian meddling and the threat that it poses to us
Steele's sources were Russian. The whole dossier was a Russian disinformation plot. If you read it you can practically smell the vodka they were chugging while giving the tales.captkirk said:I've yet to see any real Russians in the "Russian Interference" plotQuote:
CLAPPER: The message I'm getting from all this is, apparently what we were supposed to have done was to ignore the Russian interference, ignore the Russian meddling and the threat that it poses to us
Steele's sources were Russian ex-pats that had been living in the west for decades and any scurrilous rumors he picked up in internet chat rooms and message boards. There's no evidence of which I am aware that any of the sources alleged by Steele actually were agents of Putin or the Russian government. If you want to categorize Nellie Ohr as a Russian agent I'll have to concede that one exception.Quote:
Steele's sources were Russian. The whole dossier was a Russian disinformation plot.
Nellie Ohr testified that the Ukrainian lawmaker Serhiy Leshchenko was one of Steele's sources.Ulysses90 said:Steele's sources were Russian ex-pats that had been living in the west for decades and any scurrilous rumors he picked up in internet chat rooms and message boards. There's no evidence of which I am aware that any of the sources alleged by Steele actually were agents of Putin or the Russian government. If you want to categorize Nellie Ohr as a Russian agent I'll have to concede that one exception.Quote:
Steele's sources were Russian. The whole dossier was a Russian disinformation plot.
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"I have six witnesses who can give direct admissible evidence of Ukrainian collusion, not Russian collusion, participation in the Steele dossier with phony information, the creation of false evidence, and a very clear corruption scheme by the vice president of our United States....."
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Italy's Spy Chief Met Twice With Barr to Aid Inquiry: Repubblica
Italy's spy chief Gennaro Vecchione met twice in August with U.S. Attorney General William Barr and prosecutor John Durham to help an investigation into the scandal involving President Donald Trump's possible ties to Russia, one of Italy's leading newspapers reported.
The first meeting took place on Aug. 15 at the U.S. Embassy in Rome, according to an article published Sunday by La Repubblica newspaper. The second happened on Aug. 27 and involved Vecchione, the head of Italy's Department of Information Security, as well as the chiefs of Italy's internal and external security agencies.
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During the first meeting, Barr and Durham asked Vecchione to reveal the whereabouts of Maltese professor Joseph Mifsud, according to La Repubblica. He's key in Trump's efforts to show he was the victim of foreign meddling in the 2016 election and not the beneficiary of interference by Russia's Vladimir Putin, as former Special Counsel Robert Mueller found.
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According to La Repubblica, Barr and Durham also demanded proof that Italy, led at the time by Matteo Renzi, took part in the international conspiracy to discredit Trump's campaign. In an interview published Sunday by La Stampa, Renzi dismissed the allegation as a "farce" and says he never met Mifsud.
At the Aug. 27 meeting with Barr and Durham, the heads of Italy's security services had nothing to say to support the theory, according to La Repubblica -- despite Vecchione's initial promises. Both meetings took part without Conte informing Parliament or the rest of the government, the newspaper reports. Conte may now have to address a parliamentary committee on the encounters.
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