Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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sicandtiredTXN said:

Hmmm the wording is wonky because Trump wasn't Pres Elect in April 2016 but bottom line was they were spying on him before during and after the election through the transition and into the White House.

Now you know what Nunes had seen in the SCIF in the Eisenhower Building


Just want to offer Thanks to you and will25u and the rest of the posters for keeping up with and posting all the new developments. (Forgot to thank AGGIEHAWG for the thousands of posts and updates and analysis as well)

Very much appreciate the effort.

As I have stated before there are a lot of people that need to go jail for the crimes they committed.

The unearthing of this travesty shows just how corrupt the media and DC swamp dwellers really are.
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sicandtiredTXN said:

I believe I called it a few pages back that either Jofee or Dagon would flip and the poster .....
So with Dagon and Steele flipped, that leaves co-conspirators Sussman, Jofee, Danchenko, et al on an island. But these guys were just gears in the machine. What evidence does Durham have that will penetrate the Clinton campaign firewall and include the conspirators that actually conceived and approved the hoax?
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benchmark said:

sicandtiredTXN said:

I believe I called it a few pages back that either Jofee or Dagon would flip and the poster .....
So with Dagon and Steele flipped, that leaves co-conspirators Sussman, Jofee, Danchenko, et al on an island. But these guys were just gears in the machine. What evidence does Durham have that will penetrate the Clinton campaign firewall and include the conspirators that actually conceived and approved the hoax?


There's the emails between Sussmann and Jake Sullivan, the public statements by Jake Sullivan and Clinton herself pushing this narrative about the Alfa Bank stuff. Sullivan, according to emails that Durham obtained on Sept. 15, 2016 just four days before Sussmann handed off the materials to the FBI Marc Elias, and Sussmann's exchanged emails with Sullivan briefing him on the Alfa Bank data that Sussmann was fixing to drop in Baker's lap. ThTs about as direct a connection to the campaign as you can get.

Then there's Sullivan's testimony to congress in 2017 where he lied under oath about his direct knowledge of the oppo research materials and sources. Back then they were playing dumb to everything, but Durham has the emails now that they didn't have back then.

Sullivan maintained in congressional testimony in December 2017 that he didn't know of Fusion's involvement in the Alfa Bank opposition research. In the same closed-door testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, he also denied knowing anything about Fusion in 2016 or who was conducting the opposition research for the campaign.

"Marc [Elias] would occasionally give us updates on the opposition research they were conducting, but I didn't know what the nature of that effort was or whether it was an inside effort, outside effort, who was funding it, who was doing it, anything like that," Sullivan stated UNDER OATH

Sullivan also testified he didn't know that Perkins Coie, [where Elias and Sussmann were partners], was working for the Clinton campaign until October 2017, when it was reported "in the media" as part of stories revealing the campaign's contract with Fusion, which we all know produced the so-called Steele dossier.

Sullivan continually maintained he didn't even know that Elias worked for Perkins Coie, [are you effing kidding me]. Especially every major media ran stories from 2013 to date routinely identified Elias as "general counsel for the Clinton campaign" and a "partner at Perkins Coie."

Sullivan also stated under oath "To be honest with you, Marc wears a tremendous number of hats, so I wasn't sure who he was representing, I sort of thought he was, you know, just talking to us as, you know, a fellow traveler in this in this campaign effort."

GMAFB

Sullivan is neck deep in this and those Durham emails prove it.
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So if he lied all these times, do we see more indictments for Sussman? Or are they just going to get him on this one?

Techno or others said they think that Marc Elias has immunity. Do we still think that is the case? Or does knowing these other two were given immunity make that less likely?
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sicandtiredTXN said:

Sullivan maintained in congressional testimony in December 2017 that he didn't know of Fusion's involvement in the Alfa Bank opposition research. In the same closed-door testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, he also denied knowing anything about Fusion in 2016 or who was conducting the opposition research for the campaign.
Ironic and scary isn't it? The same snake that likely conceived and approved the Russian hoax is now probably making national security decisions as Biden's likely proxy while we're at the brink of a hot war with Russia.
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So if I am not mistaken, if you are given immunity, a stipulation is that you have to give up everything you know, correct? And if you hold back information that you knew pertained to the investigation they can remove the immunity and prosecute you?

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So if I am not mistaken, if you are given immunity, a stipulation is that you have to give up everything you know, correct? And if you hold back information that you knew pertained to the investigation they can remove the immunity and prosecute you?
Correct. They have to testify, too. Not just spill their guts to Durham.
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aggiehawg said:

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So if I am not mistaken, if you are given immunity, a stipulation is that you have to give up everything you know, correct? And if you hold back information that you knew pertained to the investigation they can remove the immunity and prosecute you?
Correct. They have to testify, too. Not just spill their guts to Durham.
Any chance of Cheryl Mills' immunity from Hillary's servers gets trashed?
Staff - take out the trash.
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Garrelli 5000 said:

aggiehawg said:

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So if I am not mistaken, if you are given immunity, a stipulation is that you have to give up everything you know, correct? And if you hold back information that you knew pertained to the investigation they can remove the immunity and prosecute you?
Correct. They have to testify, too. Not just spill their guts to Durham.
Any chance of Cheryl Mills' immunity from Hillary's servers gets trashed?
Maybe. We'll have to wait and see.
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Please, please nail Elias
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captkirk said:

Please, please nail Elias
Agreed, I'll just add it is a target rich environment. Hopefully numerous of the traitorous slim end up in jail.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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Elias doesn't have immunity. He just gave a long interview for The New Yorker.

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will25u said:

So if he lied all these times, do we see more indictments for Sussman? Or are they just going to get him on this one?

Techno or others said they think that Marc Elias has immunity. Do we still think that is the case? Or does knowing these other two were given immunity make that less likely?
Sussman was low hanging fruit that was ripe for the picking to Durham and he charged him easily, because there was so much overwhelming evidence against him, but he used his 27 page indictment to send a shot across the bow of the other players that he has a truckload of evidence and laying out all those redacted names so they were easily identified. And Durham basically laid the groundwork for a conspiracy charge to send a message where he was will to go if some people didn't come clean.

I think Sussmann overestimated his value team Clinton, thinking someone would pressure Garland into stepping in and that's not happening. Sussmann has had his chance to cut a deal and decided to play tough guy. I think there are more indictments coming in the flavor of conspiracy.

I would be surprised to learn Elias has some level of immunity. He's been way too public lately but I guess there's a slight chance, because when Perkins Coie distanced themselves from him and began cooperating with Durham he knows his goose was cooked. Perkins Coie has so much exposure in all this and much more they are going to look out for number one.

My guess is Jake Sullivan thinks he has protection because he has the goods on the CLinton's as well as Biden, so I guess that will be tested.. I do know his ass needs to be removed from his current position as National Security Adviser at a minimum ASAP.
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I wouldn't be surprised to learn Elias has some level of immunity. When Perkins Coie distanced themselves from him and began cooperating with Durham he knew his goose was cooked.
Nah. Elias is a true believer, especially in his own "brilliance." He'd never take an immunity deal. Not after the masterpiece he pulled off in the election of 2020.

And it gets pretty dicey for any attorney taking an immunity deal anyway. Especially someone like Elias who was counsel to so many interconnected clients.
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sicandtiredTXN said:

?My guess is Jake Sullivan thinks he has protection because he has the goods on the CLinton's as well as Biden, so I guess that will be tested.. I do know his ass needs to be removed from his current position as National Security Adviser at a minimum ASAP.
My guess … Sullivan is hoping for a Biden pardon before the clock strikes midnight..
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benchmark said:

sicandtiredTXN said:

?My guess is Jake Sullivan thinks he has protection because he has the goods on the CLinton's as well as Biden, so I guess that will be tested.. I do know his ass needs to be removed from his current position as National Security Adviser at a minimum ASAP.
My guess … Sullivan is hoping for a Biden pardon before the clock strikes midnight..
Sullivan's other ace in the hole is his wife Maggie Goodlander who is currently Counsel to Merrick Garland. Simply relying on Mr Potato head is dangerous, he could literally drop dead at any moment or that last brain cell he has left stop functioning. The White House is literally Weekend at Bernie's part three now already.
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captkirk said:

Please, please nail Elias
Elias is on the John Brennan level of "Evil mother****er." The world needs fewer of them.
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sicandtiredTXN said:

I believe I called it a few pages back that either Jofee or Dagon would flip and the poster Ryan pooh pooh the idea.

The fact they have granted Steele immunity might explain him coming out of the shadows briefly on twitter because this was going to be exposed.

Friday Dump Day always provides juicy nuggets
I said Joffe wouldn't flip, and low and behold he refuses to even talk to Durham.
Pretty sure I've never said anything about Dagon, especially since when releasing the Rhamnousia chat logs I pointed out the fact that Dagon was handing them over voluntarily.

Get your facts right if you want to talk *****

They have not granted Steele immunity.
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They have not granted Steele immunity.
He's a Brit. Protected by the government. Extradition would be problematical anyway. Immunity would be a "we can't get him anyway," type of decision.
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RyanM58699717 said:

sicandtiredTXN said:

I believe I called it a few pages back that either Jofee or Dagon would flip and the poster Ryan pooh pooh the idea.

The fact they have granted Steele immunity might explain him coming out of the shadows briefly on twitter because this was going to be exposed.

Friday Dump Day always provides juicy nuggets
I said Joffe wouldn't flip, and low and behold he refuses to even talk to Durham.
Pretty sure I've never said anything about Dagon, especially since when releasing the Rhamnousia chat logs I pointed out the fact that Dagon was handing them over voluntarily.

Get your facts right if you want to talk *****

They have not granted Steele immunity.


Wow absentee comes in with panties in a wad. Might want to cool your jets hoss.


If the former GPS employee Durham "intends to seek immunity at trial" isn't Steele that leaves Nellie Ohr. She's a possibility.

You getting all torqued up and defensive contributes nothing.

Curious Hawg as to what would be the difficulty in extraditing Steele since we have an iron clad extradition treaty with the UK and he's not an asylum seeker like Assange was? Just a question



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Interesting take

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Curious Hawg as to what would be the difficulty in extraditing Steele since we have an iron clad extradition treaty with the UK and he's not an asylum seeker like Assange was? Just a question
Assange took refuge in an embassy. He was not a Brit and sure as hell was not MI6 like Steele.
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I would just think Boris Johnson would want to distance the UK from any type of election interference accusations and especially when there not too far a leap to spying on a sitting POTUS
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Techno stack about the filings yesterday.

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sicandtiredTXN said:

I would just think Boris Johnson would want to distance the UK from any type of election interference accusations and especially when there not too far a leap to spying on a sitting POTUS
Nah. They have been doing that for years. If Trump were still in office, the calculus changes.

But not now, with poopypants.
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aggiehawg said:

sicandtiredTXN said:

I would just think Boris Johnson would want to distance the UK from any type of election interference accusations and especially when there not too far a leap to spying on a sitting POTUS
Nah. They have been doing that for years. If Trump were still in office, the calculus changes.

But not now, with poopypants.


So who do you think the former FGPS employee that's getting immunity at trial Nellie Ohr?
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So who do you think the former FGPS employee that's getting immunity at trial Nellie Ohr?
Most likely, yes. She was the go-between with her husband who was at the FBI. She can save them both. Won't testify against her husband, but if there were immunity agreements? Bruce does not need a separate agreement if her protecting him as off limits is included in hers.
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aggiehawg said:

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So who do you think the former FGPS employee that's getting immunity at trial Nellie Ohr?
Most likely, yes. She was the go-between with her husband who was at the FBI. She can save them both. Won't testify against her husband, but if there were immunity agreements? Bruce does not need a separate agreement if her protecting him as off limits is included in hers.



See I was thinking that the immunity was tied to UK person 1 who Durham is considering a "witness and not a subject"

Guess we will find out eventually



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Key word there is "limited."
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aggiehawg said:

Key word there is "limited."
And I see that "limited"

What I just don't see is where the Ohr's tie into this chain of events involving Sussmann/Joffe/Dogan/GATech

Nellie and Bruce were passing around the dossier which is straight oppo-research garbage and it was known from the jump where it came from and what it was. Now the CH team exploited it to look at Carter Page and spoofed the FISC to get a FISA, but it's off the radar path of this Alfa data, which by now is looking like a complete fabrication put together by Joffe's team and Sussmann pushed it forward to Baker. Now I also am curious how Steele ties in to that other than his document mentioned the "Alpha" (sic) bank and if he's their to provide who sourced it to him that the bank data came from Joffe or Sussmann then the circle is closed and the Ohr's are outside that orbit. Other than passing the thumb drive with the Dossier on it the Ohr's are just window dressing.

Didn't Bruce Ohr pass that thumb drive on to Baker as well or was is Strzok? I can't remember off the top of my head and I don't have my notes handy. Bruce was on the DOJ legal side under Baker wasn't he? Dang I can't remember exactly. I know it's here in these 1300 pages somewhere for certain.
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Who was Nellie chatting with on the Ham radio?
Who is John Galt?

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sicandtiredTXN said:

aggiehawg said:

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So who do you think the former FGPS employee that's getting immunity at trial Nellie Ohr?
Most likely, yes. She was the go-between with her husband who was at the FBI. She can save them both. Won't testify against her husband, but if there were immunity agreements? Bruce does not need a separate agreement if her protecting him as off limits is included in hers.



See I was thinking that the immunity was tied to UK person 1 who Durham is considering a "witness and not a subject"

Guess we will find out eventually




I don't believe it is Ohr.

https://technofog.substack.com/p/cia-bombshell-the-sussmann-data-was?s=r

That writer thinks it is Laura Seago:

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Durham will also be granting immunity at trial "for an individual who was employed at" Fusion GPS. I initially suspected this was Christopher Steele but was steered in the right direction after some smart folks noted the person was "employed" at Fusion GPS (as opposed to Steele, who was "retained" by Fusion GPS). This person might be Laura Seago.
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nortex97 said:

sicandtiredTXN said:

aggiehawg said:

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So who do you think the former FGPS employee that's getting immunity at trial Nellie Ohr?
Most likely, yes. She was the go-between with her husband who was at the FBI. She can save them both. Won't testify against her husband, but if there were immunity agreements? Bruce does not need a separate agreement if her protecting him as off limits is included in hers.



See I was thinking that the immunity was tied to UK person 1 who Durham is considering a "witness and not a subject"

Guess we will find out eventually




I don't believe it is Ohr.

https://technofog.substack.com/p/cia-bombshell-the-sussmann-data-was?s=r

That writer thinks it is Laura Seago:

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Durham will also be granting immunity at trial "for an individual who was employed at" Fusion GPS. I initially suspected this was Christopher Steele but was steered in the right direction after some smart folks noted the person was "employed" at Fusion GPS (as opposed to Steele, who was "retained" by Fusion GPS). This person might be Laura Seago.




Interesting. I had forgotten all about her. I remember Fusion's lawyers fighting her subpoena like hell for a long time. She eventually lost and had to appear for a deposition for Alpa

I remember her originally testifying that she had worked on the Alfa project, but she was not aware of anyone at Fusion GPS communicating with either Dagon or Antonakakis. She claimed she had heard Dagon's name before, but only first came across Antonakakis's name in a newspaper article. I'm betting that story has changed now that Durham got all those emails in that huge trove of documents that John Ratcliffe and Kash Patel handed over in 2020.

Very interesting she must be in save ass mode right now because she's in those email chains between Sussmann and Joffe Dagon & Antonakakis. Hmmm this may be interesting
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