I find it hard to believe that they have found no motivation for Paddock to go on a calculated shooting rampage.
Hell, he had a tough decision. He had 22 other rifles to choose from which one to fire.Drew_Hill said:If they shot him in the chest when they stormed the room then what was he doing for an hour in his room after he stopped shooting? Just hanging out?BadMoonRisin said:
has anyone commented on the fact that in the picture it looked like Paddock had been shot in the chest? was he?
Initially the police said that they breached the room and shot him, but then changed it to found him dead...seems like a simple confusion of words or fog of war, but it did look like in the picture he had been shot centermass.
"Just because" might be the motive angle they are working on right now, that or Russia and Trump since the FBI is involved.Bobcat06 said:
I find it hard to believe that they have found no motivation for Paddock to go on a calculated shooting rampage.
Someone posted a few pages back, but I think most logical is (1) he's an old fart that took terrible care of himself, and firing off the number of rounds he did for 10+ minutes would have taken quite a toll physically (2) as the crowed dispersed, targets start getting more difficult and (3) thinking cops were at least close to moving inbackintexas2013 said:
So what's the theory of why he stopped shooting since it wasn't the security guard?
Also have they released a new timeline
The "motivation" for many of these anti-social ****nut mass shooters in the past has been hard to fathom too.Bobcat06 said:
I find it hard to believe that they have found no motivation for Paddock to go on a calculated shooting rampage.
Bobcat06 said:
I find it hard to believe that they have found no motivation for Paddock to go on a calculated shooting rampage.
No it's not.DannyDuberstein said:The "motivation" for many of these anti-social ****nut mass shooters in the past has been hard to fathom too.Bobcat06 said:
I find it hard to believe that they have found no motivation for Paddock to go on a calculated shooting rampage.
This is why I wonder if the Security guard and/or Maintenance guy may have moved up the time table, but it is odd that Paddock almost missed the end of the whole Harvest 91 festival didn't he? (I thought Jason Aldean was the last act) I thought I heard the whole thing would be over around midnight, but I would suspect the crowd to thin by then.Secolobo said:Hell, he had a tough decision. He had 22 other rifles to choose from which one to fire.Drew_Hill said:If they shot him in the chest when they stormed the room then what was he doing for an hour in his room after he stopped shooting? Just hanging out?BadMoonRisin said:
has anyone commented on the fact that in the picture it looked like Paddock had been shot in the chest? was he?
Initially the police said that they breached the room and shot him, but then changed it to found him dead...seems like a simple confusion of words or fog of war, but it did look like in the picture he had been shot centermass.
I agree with you but he had a prescription to diazepam. He might have had a mental illness, or he might have just gotten it to steady his nerves...Bobcat06 said:No it's not.DannyDuberstein said:The "motivation" for many of these anti-social ****nut mass shooters in the past has been hard to fathom too.Bobcat06 said:
I find it hard to believe that they have found no motivation for Paddock to go on a calculated shooting rampage.
It usually falls into one of the following categories:
1. Mental Illness
2. Islam/Terrorism
3. Drug cartel/organized ties
4. Political indoctrination
The most unbelievable thing I've heard the FBI say is that a multimillionaire with no history of mental illness but a shady background brings 20+ guns to a hotel room and shoots up a concert then kills himself with no motive.
Did not realize it was that close to ending?HoustonAg15 said:
They were on the last song.
He might have just been waiting for the festival to end and start to empty out. If you look on the map, the main entrance to the festival is at the corner of the strip and Giles street, which is directly toward him. If there were no other exits, he would set up a very tight bottleneck for maximum casualties and the crowd would be running toward him.LoudestWHOOP! said:This is why I wonder if the Security guard and/or Maintenance guy may have moved up the time table, but it is odd that Paddock almost missed the end of the whole Harvest 91 festival didn't he? (I thought Jason Aldean was the last act) I thought I heard the whole thing would be over around midnight, but I would suspect the crowd to thin by then.Secolobo said:Hell, he had a tough decision. He had 22 other rifles to choose from which one to fire.Drew_Hill said:If they shot him in the chest when they stormed the room then what was he doing for an hour in his room after he stopped shooting? Just hanging out?BadMoonRisin said:
has anyone commented on the fact that in the picture it looked like Paddock had been shot in the chest? was he?
Initially the police said that they breached the room and shot him, but then changed it to found him dead...seems like a simple confusion of words or fog of war, but it did look like in the picture he had been shot centermass.
I don't know if anything was schedule for the next evening at the same venue and if other shooters were coming to join him to use some of the roughly dozen bump fire rifles. He had enough windows for all 12 rifles to unload a true hail of gunfire upon the streets below. That plus an explosive truck by the fuel tanks would have been a even more terrifying thought.
I suspect my friends would not have survived if 6 to 12 guns were fired simultaneously and explosives were employed.
Interesting discussion of it here:Bobcat06 said:
I find it hard to believe that they have found no motivation for Paddock to go on a calculated shooting rampage.
I thought Aldean was on his second songHoustonAg15 said:
They were on the last song.
Didn't the police already confirm this was in response to two women getting in a fight and one yelling at the other "you're going to die"?Quote:
The mystery woman: A witness on site at the concert stated that a woman (and her apparent boyfriend) approached people near the stage 45 minutes before the attack, telling them that "they were all going to die."
She was later escorted out of the venue by security. Who was this woman? Was she trying to menace the concertgoers or warn them? Or, was it all coincidence?
I would say that at the very least he had help in planning it, but that doesn't really answer the why.Cepe said:
That was a good article.
I think he did the shouting himself but had help in the planning.
applemac_g4 said:I would say that at the very least he had help in planning it, but that doesn't really answer the why.Cepe said:
That was a good article.
I think he did the shouting himself but had help in the planning.
The only two bits of information that we have to this point is the announcement of ISIS that Las Vegas was a target:
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/calls-for-attacks-against-las-vegas-emerge-on-isis-propaganda-video/719081124
...and the claim after the fact that he did this for ISIS:
https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2017/10/05/isis-claims-responsibility-las-vegas-attack-fourth-time/
If you set aside the most simple explanation - I converted to Islam and did it for Allah - aside, the explanations get either more ridiculous (a guy with no documented history of mental illness suddenly snapped and carried out a plot requiring immense amounts of forethought) or more complicated (he was an arms dealer, was part of a fast-and-furious style plot to entrap ISIS, the deal went bad, and he was killed by terrorists who did the actual shooting).
Video link to his brother saying "He was an arm..." before suddenlying realizing he didn't want to go there and clamming up.
Yeah there is a lot of over thinking this going on. He fired hundreds of rounds in to a tightly packed crowd of over 20,000 people from a distance of about 300-350 yards. The biggest skill he needed to learn in order to do that was simply operating the weapons. I think some of these "tactical experts" are making more out of this part of the story than is necessary.ABATTBQ11 said:
Some of that is reaching. There were a lot of people who knew Paddock as a self centered individual who treated everyone like they worked for him. It seems there were 2 sides to him, and he was very good at keeping a certain image, like most psychopaths. There was also an interview with a hooker who supposedly had him as a client. According to her accounts, he liked rough sex and had violent rape fantasies. Those things would point to someone who easily fits the mass shooter profile.
He was also a seemingly calculating person. He may not have had a ton of experience with weapons, but he could have certainly done a lot of research. Some of the gun store owners he bought from said he really seemed to know his stuff. He may have also kept much of this from his family. His brother was admittedly not close to him and they did not talk often.
Damnit. I may have to watch Sean Hannity.Olag00 said:
Hannity is going to have the security officer (Campos) on tonight. Foxnews 8pm.
he wouldn't have screwed the stairwell shut and put cameras in the hallway if he was planning something for the next day.Quote:
I don't know if anything was schedule for the next evening at the same venue and if other shooters were coming to join him to use some of the roughly dozen bump fire rifles. He had enough windows for all 12 rifles to unload a true hail of gunfire upon the streets below. That plus an explosive truck by the fuel tanks would have been a even more terrifying thought.
The author seems to be ignorant of the report linked below, in which an escort paints a disturbing picture of Paddock's "violent rape fantasies." Paddock bragged about being "born bad." The escort described Paddock as obsessive, paranoid, and a 9/11 truther. "[W]hen he would have a winning streak, we would go back and have really aggressive and violent sex."applemac_g4 said:
According to the personal accounts from the people that knew Paddock, including his girlfriend, none of these attributes seems to fit. Marilou Danley described him as a "kind and caring man," stating that he had never taken any action which would have led her to believe he was capable of such violence. The only factor that stands as evidence of a potential psychological break is the fact that Paddock was prescribed the anti-anxiety drug diazepam months prior, which has been known to cause aggression when taken in larger doses.
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I personally find this extremely hard to believe. Stephen Paddock, for all intents and purposes, was positively the perfect "Gray Man," a ghost that blended completely into the background, so much so that his own family and girlfriend had no idea that he was amassing the weapons and training needed to pull off the Vegas attack.
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The motive: No apparent motive. Paddock led a life of near luxury, had a happy relationship with his girlfriend and gave no indication to anyone of any instability or ideological affiliation. He had no criminal record. He was also well beyond the average age range of people commonly involved in such crimes. He does not fit any of the characteristics of mass shooters. Period.
Alex Jones or bust!Olag00 said:
Hannity is going to have the security officer (Campos) on tonight. Foxnews 8pm.
That's possible. Though I wonder given the speed at which he shut his mouth when he started to go there if it was something so innocent.zmurda said:
he was going to say "army of one" I think. It makes the most sense contextually.
Perhaps. On the other hand if you're trying to sweep something under the rug, I can't think of too many people easier than an escort to pay to parrot the company line.North Dallas Forty oz. said:
The author seems to be ignorant of the report linked below, in which an escort paints a disturbing picture of Paddock's "violent rape fantasies." Paddock bragged about being "born bad." The escort described Paddock as obsessive, paranoid, and a 9/11 truther. "[W]hen he would have a winning streak, we would go back and have really aggressive and violent sex."
Couple this with the psychotropic drugs, which he'd been on since 2013, and you get a slightly different idea of who Paddock was.