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Haven't seen this, but the autopsy says no brain tumors...

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There goes my McCain theory

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Maybe. But what if the tumor was about .357 in diameter and got pushed out of the skull very quickly by some lead?

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Mind blown indeed!

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On another note has the brother spoken since the FBI interview

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Surely he lawyered up before talking to FBI, and if he did, I am prettty sure his lawyer would have told him to keep his dumb face off of TV. Dont expect to hear anything else from him.

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This in and of itself is troubling. Why is Campos lawyering up and why is he staying out of the media?

If he actually did what was reported, EXTENSIVELY, then he would be on Good Morning America, Oprah, The View, and on and on. He would be a circus sideshow with a Lee Greenwood song as his entry music.

Everything about this debacle is suspect. Now the maintenance man is the hero?!?! Give. Me. A. ****ing. Break.

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He was referring to the brother, not Campos

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So now it's the hotel that altered the time line?


Gtfo

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Well where else did investigators get the details from?

Who told investigators his check in date was the 28th?? You think the hotel told them accurately and investigators just tried to come forward with a later date??

Same on time frame. Who would have told investigators when the security guard went up to the 32nd floor and encouraged gunmen?

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I'm assuming they interviewed both of these guys. Did they not ask them questions like, "hey, did you hear a **** ton of gunfire before or after the man with the gun shot you?" They would've had both the hotel's time and the time from the guard and maintenance man's account. Are you suggesting the hotel got to the maintenance man and the guard befoe the fbi interviewed them and told them to lie? That sounds like a conspiracy to me

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I have infinitely more confidence in Mandalay Bay/MGM to competently pull off a conspiracy compared to multiple layers of government bureaucrats.

But i don't necessarily think it was a conspiracy. I dont think either Campos or Schuck would know the exact time that they were being shot at, so I don't think they were necessarily told to lie. I think police were relying on the hotel staff to provide exact timeline when each were sent up. At least initially. And then after further investigation they realized the discrepancy.

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I'm squarely in the anti-conspiracy camp. It's difficult to respond to much of what's going on because there doesn't seem to be a cogent conspiracy theory - just a bunch of "that seems weird" and "this doesn't add up." Stipulated: there are lots of questions we do not yet have answers to. And by "we", I mean TexAgs or the public at large. We have access to very few actual facts and have no idea what the investigators know. I assume they have answers to many of the questions that have been raised here, and probably don't have answers to some. At least not yet. Despite that, however, I just think jumping to grand government coverup or international criminal enterprise is foolhearted and without basis in fact. Could that be proven to be true at some point? I suppose, but given the fact that conspiracy theories almost never pan out, it's safe to bet against them.

I have some experience in investigations that receive public attention (obviously nothing 1/10,000th of this). In my experience, there is a constant tension between getting info to the public quickly and being cautious that you are being 100% accurate. Sometimes, you think something is right, but later evidence proves you were wrong, and you have to go correct that. On top of that, the media mangles the facts pretty regularly. Mix all that together with incompetence and standard human error, and you get a pretty muddy picture, which makes it difficult for me to extrapolate too much from the limited facts we have.

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I don't think it was a grand government cover up. I think a crime was committed and somebody with leverage is manipulating the narrative.

You can't possibly tell me that you don't have doubts.

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Maybe I'm just dense, but what does that mean as it relates to this case?

I'm not saying they'd give the time by the minute. But, wouldn't they know whether or not the guy carried out the shooting before or after they were shot at? Everything was quiet before they get up there. I cannot for the life of me understand how originally the timeline of Campos encounter with the shooter was completely wrong.

I thought maybe it could be explained by Campos being in shock or something, but now there's a second guy who wasn't shot and they can't figure out when the shooting took place relative to when the guys got up to the floor.

Maybe the maintenance man was the other shooter. Or maybe Campos and the maintenance man framed Paddock.

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Maybe the maintenance man was the other shooter. Or maybe Campos and the maintenance man framed Paddock.

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Campos and the maintenance man are ISIS

http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/abc-news-mandalay-bay-didnt-call-police-when-security-guard-was-shot-by-stephen-paddock

Just reported: MB did not call police immediately.

Mandalay Bay will likely go under because of this.

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http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/abc-news-mandalay-bay-didnt-call-police-when-security-guard-was-shot-by-stephen-paddock

Just reported: MB did not call police immediately.

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Their information comes from an anonymous source who has reviewed records from the hotel-casino.

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We'll see.

It would explain some of the cagey behavior and why Campos is not on his hero tour. I'm sure Mandalays lawyers are all over this

What if Jesus was in witness protection?

"WHOA, I didn't stop the shooter, it was Joe dirt. JOE DIRT JOE DIRT JOE DIRT JOE DIRT"

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It's amazing how in the end, all the "facts" will make the whole thing fit whatever the FBI tells us happened once they get their story straight.

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Wait, so if the facts fit the story, that's some sort of evidence of a coverup? Isn't that how it's supposed to work?

What is the Mandalay Bay training for this?

Guard or maintenance radios they were shot. Who did they radio? Who received the message? Were they trained on what to do in the case of an active shooter or shots fired? Did they then pass the buck to their supervisor or manager or what?

I can believe that the Mandalay Bay didn't report the shots fired because you think police would have made that public by now when they received a call from the hotel. If the first call to 911 was someone on the ground?

There has been no release of 911 dispatch information. A reporter should ask about this. How many calls, what time each was received and by who. And if any were received from hotel staff.

It today's world, how can Mandalay Bay not have an active shooter training response plan in place? Or training? Or did they and it was not followed?

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It's amazing how in the end, all the "facts" will make the whole thing fit whatever the FBI tells us happened once they get their story straight.

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Wait, so if the facts fit the story, that's some sort of evidence of a coverup? Isn't that how it's supposed to work?

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I'll buy you a bottle of good Scotch if you can make the facts fit into a coherent story.

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It's amazing how in the end, all the "facts" will make the whole thing fit whatever the FBI tells us happened once they get their story straight.

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Wait, so if the facts fit the story, that's some sort of evidence of a coverup? Isn't that how it's supposed to work?

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I'll buy you a bottle of good Scotch if you can make the facts fit into a coherent story.

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The real facts, whatever they are, paint a coherent picture. We just don't know them yet. And it's possible we never will.

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The real facts, whatever they are, paint a coherent picture. We just don't know them yet. And it's possible we never will.

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And you're ok with that?

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It's amazing how in the end, all the "facts" will make the whole thing fit whatever the FBI tells us happened once they get their story straight.

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Wait, so if the facts fit the story, that's some sort of evidence of a coverup? Isn't that how it's supposed to work?

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I'll buy you a bottle of good Scotch if you can make the facts fit into a coherent story.

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The real facts, whatever they are, paint a coherent picture. We just don't know them yet. And it's possible we never will.

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Bingo. Hence the questions and disbelief that what is being reported now is accurate and factual.

The soros shorting MGM stock is real according to this Aug 16, 2017 article... scroll to the bottom and check out Soros' Q2 2017 fund spreadsheet


https://www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/article/4099340-tracking-george-soross-portfolio-q2-2017-update

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The real facts, whatever they are, paint a coherent picture. We just don't know them yet. And it's possible we never will.

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And you're ok with that?

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Some things may be unknowable, like when Paddock shot himself, why he did, his motive, etc. Sure, I'd like to have perfect knowledge,, but that's not reality.

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Now my tinfoil hat is getting bigger.

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Makes my MKULTRA meter move

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It today's world, how can Mandalay Bay not have an active shooter training response plan in place? Or training? Or did they and it was not followed?

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There should be radio codes for this type of stuff... code 3 = fill in blank, code 4 = fill in the blank..... life or death, need first aid, shooter/gunman,.... I worked at resort in high school and there were radio codes for this type of stuff so that when you heard a specific code you knew how to react. Like a code for heart attack accross the radio you knew to grab the defibrillator, etc.

I find it hard to believe these major casinos would not have similar procedures.

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It's amazing how in the end, all the "facts" will make the whole thing fit whatever the FBI tells us happened once they get their story straight.

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Wait, so if the facts fit the story, that's some sort of evidence of a coverup? Isn't that how it's supposed to work?

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I'll buy you a bottle of good Scotch if you can make the facts fit into a coherent story.

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The real facts, whatever they are, paint a coherent picture. We just don't know them yet. And it's possible we never will.

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Bingo. Hence the questions and disbelief that what is being reported now is accurate and factual.

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We are in total agreement that there are lingering questions. I just don't ascribe them to a nefarious motive by someone or some group.

Why? Who is paying for the private security? Why have there been no public interviews by the media with Campos? Is the FBI shielding him from the public? Why? Is he a person of interest? Why doesn't he show up on MB's employment of security people? Is he an illegal?

I've been under the impression Campos was an innocent bystander who upset the time table of the nefarious shooter.

And you expect me to believe that?

As for the conspiracy theories, I don't gravitate to them though in this case the story is too fluid not to listen. Imagine the OJ case where they have similar timeline issues. That would have been a total CF. In this case , how could there be this degree of variation? And why does the casino feel compelled to clarify? They did what I expected the first several days which is keep quiet and hope this becomes known as the shooting at the Jason aldeano concert. But the timeline is so effed up, the story shifts from the concert and innocent loss of life to what happened in the hote.

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And you expect me to believe that?

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Why is it hard to believe? He went through something traumatic and is likely in the early stages of recovering physically, emotionally, and mentally. And the internet is covered up with speculation that he's the real shooter, the second shooter, an illegal alien, an Islamic terrorist, etc. Look no further than these very pages.

Put yourself in that situation, and consider whether the decision to maintain a low profile is that outlandish.

Need I remind you the lengths that some unhinged conspiracy theorists will go to?

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Edgar M. Welch, a 28-year-old father of two from Salisbury, N.C., recently read online that Comet Ping Pong, a pizza restaurant in northwest Washington, was harboring young children as sex slaves as part of a child-abuse ring led by Hillary Clinton.

The articles making those allegations were widespread across the web, appearing on sites including Facebook and Twitter. Apparently concerned, Mr. Welch drove about six hours on Sunday from his home to Comet Ping Pong to see the situation for himself, according to court documents. Not long after arriving at the pizzeria, the police said, he fired from an assault-like AR-15 rifle.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/business/media/comet-ping-pong-pizza-shooting-fake-news-consequences.html