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What is the motivation for this?

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More confusion. Add even more confusion so that the answer becomes impossible to determine.

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So MGM is in on it now?

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all this seems to go back to "John's" original 4Chan post of warning weeks before this shooting.

ATX_AG_08 said:

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Bald Messiah said:

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What is the motivation for this?

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More confusion. Add even more confusion so that the answer becomes impossible to determine.

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So MGM is in on it now?

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Possibly. Being as smart as you are, you've probably already made note of the substantial insider sells and shorts on MGM stock prior to this event.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooter-texas-20171006-story.html

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Las Vegas gunman was a laid-back 'goofball,' longtime business associate says. 'He made you laugh'

Stephen Paddock, the former IRS agent and professional gambler whose shooting rampage in Las Vegas left 58 victims dead, was a laid-back "goofball" who didn't have a "serious bone in his body," a longtime employee of the gunman said Friday. "He was the most stable, even-keeled personality," said Lisa Crawford, who worked as a property manager in Texas for Paddock from 2006 to 2012. "He never even got frustrated."

Crawford, 54, still lives in the Dallas area, and she managed the Central Park Apartment complex in a somewhat newly developed part of Mesquite. She bonded quickly with Paddock when he bought the property not romantically, but as friends.

"From the night he came to the door when he bought the property, to the very end, our personalities just clicked," said Crawford. "He was above the normal in a good way, in a beautiful way, for lack of a better term. You wanted to be around him because he was cool, he was cool to hang out with, he made you laugh."Paddock had a mind like a world-class chess player, thinking ahead and anticipating tenants' concerns and problems with his property. "He didn't have to think about it, he was just smart," Crawford said. "It was natural, like a gift."

She said he was relaxed, not intense. "He'd sit back in the chair and just talk," Crawford said. He'd watch comedies and romantic movies on Crawford's Netflix account. "We didn't talk politics, we didn't talk religion," Crawford said. "Did he believe in the Lord? I think he probably did."

Paddock always carried a pistol around in his fanny pack with his money, Crawford said. "He never told me it was there," Crawford said. "I knew it was there, because we would talk about guns and everything, and I said, 'Do you carry yours around all the time?' He said, 'That's for me to know and you to find out.'"

Crawford stopped working for Paddock in 2012 and hadn't seen him for years. The last time she talked to him was an email she sent during Hurricane Irma as it headed for Florida in early September, where some of Paddock's family lived. "In the subject line, I wrote, 'Dead or alive?'" The pair talked about the storms and about Hurricane Harvey, which hit Texas.

When Hurricane Irma did not hit Florida as hard as expected, Paddock wrote Crawford a joking email "that said something like, 'Newsflash, Irma took a different direction, 8.5 million people wanting their money back'" from storm-preparation purchases at Home Depot, Crawford said.

"What I would love for everyone to know about him, he was a good person when I knew him, and face to face, he was a good person," said Crawford, choking up as she talked. She said she hadn't slept since Monday, when she learned about the attack, leaving her bottled up with emotion.

Of Paddock's motive, Crawford said: "I just think there's more to it, personally. I just think there's more out there that needs to be found."

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Well, this was certainly unexpected. Someone who knew Paddock really well says he was a fun guy to be around. Something doesn't compute.

She knew him 5 years ago. A lot can happen

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Well, this was certainly unexpected. Someone who knew Paddock really well says he was a fun guy to be around. Something doesn't compute.

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Hadn't seen him in years the article said, and if that's correct, if he was suffering from mental illness, it could have manifested itself after they had parted ways.

Has it been proven Paddock shot at the fuel tanks to blow them up? Seems like an assumption to me. Two bullets allegedly hit the tanks. No proven motive or if bullets actually hit the tank from Paddock, or if it's more bs from the Feds and media to fit the narrative.

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Has it been proven Paddock shot at the fuel tanks to blow them up? Seems like an assumption to me. Two bullets allegedly hit the tanks. No proven motive or if bullets actually hit the tank from Paddock, or if it's more bs from the Feds and media to fit the narrative.

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CNN was saying earlier today that he had fired "incendiary rounds" at the tanks.

Now, since this is CNN they could be completely wrong, could be talking back tracers, or correct.

Regardless, tracers or incendiaries would not have caused an explosion unless the tanks were almost empty and mostly filled with vapor and enough air to cause a boom.

Also, incendiary and tracer rounds are not easy to obtain, at least not legally.

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Has it been proven Paddock shot at the fuel tanks to blow them up? Seems like an assumption to me. Two bullets allegedly hit the tanks. No proven motive or if bullets actually hit the tank from Paddock, or if it's more bs from the Feds and media to fit the narrative.

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CNN was saying earlier today that he had fired "incendiary rounds" at the tanks.

Now, since this is CNN they could be completely wrong, could be talking back tracers, or correct.

Regardless, tracers or incendiaries would not have caused an explosion unless the tanks were almost empty and mostly filled with vapor and enough air to cause a boom.

Also, incendiary and tracer rounds are not easy to obtain, at least not legally.

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/10/us/las-vegas-shooter-incendiary-rounds/index.html

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Las Vegas shooter fired 'incendiary' rounds at fuel tank

Authorities have previously disclosed that Paddock fired at the tank and struck it with two rifle rounds, when he opened fire on the crowd below from his 32nd floor hotel room on October 1. They had not disclosed that he used incendiary rounds to fire at the tank, which contains jet fuel.

The sources, briefed on the investigation but not authorized to speak publicly, said the incendiary rounds were recovered in an area near the tank.

It is unclear if the rounds that struck the tank were also of the incendiary variety. Chris Jones, an airport spokesman, said he was unaware of any rounds being recovered other than those that struck the tank.

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So...unnamed sources.

FYI, incendiary ammo is advertised for sale at Firequest.com

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Unless you're a moderator, you cannot tell me what I can and cannot say.

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Boom!

We can't be sure of any of the facts surrounding this. About the only thing we know is Stephen Paddock and 58 other people are dead. Stephen was in the hotel and we can be reasonably sure that he was the only shooter. Police and Feds have damaged their own credibility with the wrong check in date and changing their timeline of events. I'm not confident that the latest timeline is accurate. Is it plausible? yes. Are there still questions? Yes. Is it the truth? Nobody knows but for a handful of people.

The best the public can do is analyze all of the available videos and audio with scrutiny and detail.

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Could be that other MGM employees were looking him up, so they removed him. Or they are paying him a settlement and he is no longer an employee.

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There is a /pol thread trying to find info on the guy... seems like he is a ghost. Suspicion is that Jesus Campos is not his full name. That it's shortened or his middle name or something.

The gofundme page for this guy is by a co-worker. Google search showed the same co-worker gave remarks to media about the event.

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ATX, care to refute this?

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ATX, care to refute this?

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What is he refuting?

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ATX, care to refute this?

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What is he refuting?

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See last post on page 107.

Another theory along the lines of "John's" original 4 chan warning weeks before the shooting. It's is Vegas, Paddock's money is off the grid and seems to be to and/or from illegal sources. Maybe he has ties to the mob or does business for or with them. Maybe he got crosswise with them, and he was as good as dead and he knew it (or perhaps he was deep undercover and was discovered).

Mob forced him to do this (with opportunity for him to escape set up ) and this was his one chance to live in his mind. Mobs goal was to cash out business wise with the Vegas casino security business with metal detectors and scanners standard part of casinos after the incident.

So did he get shot in the chest? What is the bloody spot on his chest?

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From http://www.newsweek.com/who-jose-campos-mysterious-las-vegas-guard-center-timeline-mishap-681898

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On Tuesday, Las Vegas Metro Police Undersheriff Kevin McMahill explained more about Campos's actions the night of the shooting, helping fill in some of what happened ahead of the attack.

He told KNPR, a local NPR affiliate, that Campos went up to the 32nd floor to investigate a door alarm. While on the 32nd floor, he found that a stairwell door was jammed and radioed down to maintenance.

Campos heard a drilling sound and thought it was odd. A maintenance worker came up to the 32nd floor. As the pair started talking, Paddock began firing through the door of his room, first with a single-fire gun and then with a rapid-fire rifle.

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Sorry if this is old news, but this is the first definitive confirmation I've seen that Campos was checking out the jammed-shut stairwell door when Paddock shot him. Makes sense given that we can see bullet holes in the left hand door in this image, and that's the door that would've been right next to the stairwell door based on the floor plans.

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From http://www.newsweek.com/who-jose-campos-mysterious-las-vegas-guard-center-timeline-mishap-681898

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On Tuesday, Las Vegas Metro Police Undersheriff Kevin McMahill explained more about Campos's actions the night of the shooting, helping fill in some of what happened ahead of the attack.

He told KNPR, a local NPR affiliate, that Campos went up to the 32nd floor to investigate a door alarm. While on the 32nd floor, he found that a stairwell door was jammed and radioed down to maintenance.

Campos heard a drilling sound and thought it was odd. A maintenance worker came up to the 32nd floor. As the pair started talking, Paddock began firing through the door of his room, first with a single-fire gun and then with a rapid-fire rifle.

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Sorry if this is old news, but this is the first definitive confirmation I've seen that Campos was checking out the jammed-shut stairwell door when Paddock shot him. Makes sense given that we can see bullet holes in the left hand door in this image, and that's the door that would've been right next to the stairwell door based on the floor plans.

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But really, he bump fired 200 rounds through only one door with MAYBE a couple fliers to the other door? That's impressive and also strangely conflicting with only hitting his true target a single time

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-paddock-used-hotel-freight-elevator-before-attack-las-vegas/?linkId=43341251

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Las Vegas shooter believed to have used hotel's freight elevator before attack

Law enforcement sources told CBS News that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock is believed to have used the freight elevator at the Mandalay Bay hotel casino in the days leading up to last week's deadly attack.

It wasn't clear what Paddock used the freight elevator for or how often he used it.

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No other details provided in the article.
If he was using the freight elevator, wouldn't that normally require an access 'key' or assistance from an employee?

A few days ago Campos saved the day. Now he was talking to a maintenance guy in the hall. Who appearanlty wasn't hit. And made it back down. Then shooting started several minutes later.
If it weren't for the jammed stairwell door, I wouldn't be absolutely certain the attack was intended for the concert.
There are too many material changes in the timeline to give me any certainty in what occurred.

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-paddock-used-hotel-freight-elevator-before-attack-las-vegas/?linkId=43341251

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Las Vegas shooter believed to have used hotel's freight elevator before attack

Law enforcement sources told CBS News that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock is believed to have used the freight elevator at the Mandalay Bay hotel casino in the days leading up to last week's deadly attack.

It wasn't clear what Paddock used the freight elevator for or how often he used it.

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No other details provided in the article.
If he was using the freight elevator, wouldn't that normally require an access 'key' or assistance from an employee?

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Not everyone works at a Taco Bell you wouldn't know what it's like to get comped $1000 dollars of sushi or to use the freight elevator....

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I didn't do an exhaustive search, but unless he purchased a variety of strikes and expirations, I'm not seeing $42 million worth of put options on MGM. If staging an attack to cause a drop in the share price was the motivation, then such a magnitude of options should show up on the open interest of the near term options. Longer term are less reactive and have the possibility of a rebound.

I mean, for a stock like MGM, youre looking at about a $1 or $2 a share per option, so youre talking about 100,000 of contracts. I also didnt see any deep ITM puts with that kind of open interest.

Is there proof of this?

So is it possible the security guard was the 2nd shooter who shot himself in the leg and played victim as the police approched?

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So is it possible the security guard was the 2nd shooter who shot himself in the leg and played victim as the police approched?

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Yes... but the sync'd audio seems to confirm one shooter. Campos helped Paddock, then killed him. Dead Paddock looks like he got shot in the chest anything could have happened at this point.

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I didn't do an exhaustive search, but unless he purchased a variety of strikes and expirations, I'm not seeing $42 million worth of put options on MGM. If staging an attack to cause a drop in the share price was the motivation, then such a magnitude of options should show up on the open interest of the near term options. Longer term are less reactive and have the possibility of a rebound.

I mean, for a stock like MGM, youre looking at about a $1 or $2 a share per option, so youre talking about 100,000 of contracts. I also didnt see any deep ITM puts with that kind of open interest.

Is there proof of this?

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Best I can find.

https://twitter.com/JoshBrizzi/status/917933216962568192/photo/1

But it's being misrepresented. That trade was just reported to the SEC in August. It took place some time during 2Q 2017.

Also that doesn't seem like a whole lot for Soros fund. I wouldn't read much into it, and looking at MGM stock price, it looks like it's been a loser for Soros so far.