here's one better
why change the timeline seven days later?
wtf
why change the timeline seven days later?
wtf
Shooting in Las Vegas
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Last: 4 yr ago by BMX Bandit
Especially since the security guard survived and they've known the timeline all along...
FireAg said:
Especially since the security guard survived and they've known the timeline all along...
I'm sure the union lawyers have told him to keep his mouth shut. Wouldn't surprise me to see the union pin something on the hotel.
Nope...even if they did, the hotel staff knows when the door alarm sounded, when security was asked to go check, and when the security guard was shot...
Security guard doesn't have to say a single word to know the timeline...
Security guard doesn't have to say a single word to know the timeline...
Do they like conspiracy theories? Because this is how you get conspiracy theories.FireAg said:
Especially since the security guard survived and they've known the timeline all along...
He stopped shooting at 10:15. Cops were on his floor at 10:17.FireAg said:
Not buying it...
He had 15 more minutes and plenty of ammo to continue wreaking havoc...
Cops didn't breach until 10:26...
He had no way of knowing it would be another hour before they'd break down the suite door. And it's a pretty safe assumption it would've been sooner if the shooting continued.
At any rate, if he was estimating when the cops would arrive on his floor based on what he could see on the street below and/or on the cameras, then he was pretty accurate. He ended the episode within 2 minutes of their arrival.
I wonder if they caught the guard in a lie. And separately the brother as well, as he was brought to Vegas to answer questions. Weird to bring him there. This is strange, more so than the lost Malaysian flight.
Not arguing, but what do you think the guard would be lying about?
BlueMiles said:
Not arguing, but what do you think the guard would be lying about?
Well, one possibility is that he wasn't a hero but an accomplice...
Not saying that's the answer, but I don't think we can rule it out at this point...
Very interesting. I'm glad to know the LVMPD went to Mumbai after the 2008 attacks.drcrinum said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-officers-describe-storming-shooter-stephen-paddock-hotel-room/Quote:
Las Vegas officers describe storming shooter Stephen Paddock's hotel room
13 minute video or you can read the story. Very very interesting.
During the Mumbai attacks, they were going door to door, killing people. Here in Australia, they had somebody trapped in their room Skype in to a news programme. Scary stuff.
These days when you go to any hotel in India, they X-Ray your luggage before bringing it into the hotel. And you also have to walk through a metal detector.
And while I'm on the topic, I highly recommend the Indian version of the TV Show "24" starring Anil Kapoor as "Jai Singh Rathod", the Indian equivalent of Jack Bauer.
What the ****? Okay, assume it's a mistake.... how do they claim the security guard arrived 1 min before officers..... then a week later say he was there 15 min before the officers AND before the shooting....
Regardless, I can still buy that Paddock shoots at guard, fires at crowd, then kills self when he see actual police on camera.... BUT... then what was the guard doing for those 15 minutes....
What was Paddock doing for 6 minutes? Still setting up cameras?
HOW could they get this wrong? Wouldn't the guard Campos call the cops and backup immediately after getting shot and that would be impossible to overlook on the timeline. If Campos never called for help? Why not?
This makes NO sense.
Regardless, I can still buy that Paddock shoots at guard, fires at crowd, then kills self when he see actual police on camera.... BUT... then what was the guard doing for those 15 minutes....
What was Paddock doing for 6 minutes? Still setting up cameras?
HOW could they get this wrong? Wouldn't the guard Campos call the cops and backup immediately after getting shot and that would be impossible to overlook on the timeline. If Campos never called for help? Why not?
This makes NO sense.
Possible, but what might he be lying about? Door alarms would be a recorded event.
Because informing the public, especially regarding info that's already been made public, just not officially, hasn't been priority #1.FireAg said:
Why has it taken 8 days to confirm that he checked in on the 25th and not the 29th?
Look, when they announce something that's already been leaked to the press and/or via social media (i.e., the original check in date), you say that's fishy. When they announce an update that hasn't been previously released (i.e., the time when the security guard was shot), you say that's fishy. Of course, I can only imagine what you'd say if they didn't publicly update the timeline at all.
At this point I see a lot of disinformation, not just misinformation.
The FBI has no leg to stand on and neither does the Sheriff. You cant have presser where you dismiss theories and legitimate questions by sticking to the "we are only going to work off of fact not speculation" line AND then not actually be working off of fact at the same time! Shhhhheeesh
The FBI has no leg to stand on and neither does the Sheriff. You cant have presser where you dismiss theories and legitimate questions by sticking to the "we are only going to work off of fact not speculation" line AND then not actually be working off of fact at the same time! Shhhhheeesh
FireAg said:BlueMiles said:
Not arguing, but what do you think the guard would be lying about?
Well, one possibility is that he wasn't a hero but an accomplice...
Not saying that's the answer, but I don't think we can rule it out at this point...
Yeah but there are some holes with that as well, but at this point nothing about what happened seems logical.
If an accomplice how and why did he get shot? Why were shots fired into the hallway?
Did cops actually have a firefight with Campos and with Paddock prior to Paddock killing himself, and they were able to apprehend Campos? Investigators make up story to aid the investigation? Seems anything is possible at this point.
I don't see how they could overlook this Campos guy in the timeline. Investigators are telling lies. Is the old timeline or the new one a lie?
Breaking glass, shooting at fuel tanks, breaking more glass, switching guns, taking aim at concertgoers, etc.Quote:
What was Paddock doing for 6 minutes? Still setting up cameras?
Valid questions, and I hope they release answers soon. I just wonder how likely it is that Campos was thinking clearly in the ~15 min. after getting shot by 1 out of ~200 bullets that unexpectedly came flying at him through a closed door.Quote:
HOW could they get this wrong? Wouldn't the guard Campos call the cops and backup immediately after getting shot and that would be impossible to overlook on the timeline. If Campos never called for help? Why not?
BlueMiles said:
Possible, but what might he be lying about? Door alarms would be a recorded event.
So much time has gone by it's hard to keep stuff straight. All speculation/tin foil here but just thinking of 1 potential answer to your question. Was the story of the door alarm generated from hotel security (not Campos) saying the alarm went off? Or did the sheriff/FBI say the alarm story came from an interview with Campos? Do we know that answer?
I know nothing about how a door alarm would be tracked on the casino computers but what if they just got to the data they needed to confirm the Campos statement and the floors/timeline didn't match up.
Who knows, all so strange and I hope there's a good reason for changing a story so late.
Ha ha... somebody in Vegas lied... color me surprised.
I think it was the Sheriff, in the very 1st press conf basically said he'd lie and tell you he didn't know something, even if he did know.
Just a couple small changes to the story...
Like when did the shooter check in and when was the guard shot (before/during massacre).
Regarding the brother that came to Vegas. I was surprised they waited to interview him. That just seemed odd that they couldn't get someone from the FBI office in Florida to stop by his house. As for why he was there... he said he was there on behalf of the "estate" to take over everything, per POA from the mom.
Weird that the FBI picked him up at the airport. Was he not going to cooperate, had there been a confrontation between he and the FBI and he refused to be interviewed, or what?
I think it was the Sheriff, in the very 1st press conf basically said he'd lie and tell you he didn't know something, even if he did know.
Just a couple small changes to the story...
Like when did the shooter check in and when was the guard shot (before/during massacre).
Regarding the brother that came to Vegas. I was surprised they waited to interview him. That just seemed odd that they couldn't get someone from the FBI office in Florida to stop by his house. As for why he was there... he said he was there on behalf of the "estate" to take over everything, per POA from the mom.
Weird that the FBI picked him up at the airport. Was he not going to cooperate, had there been a confrontation between he and the FBI and he refused to be interviewed, or what?
I could certainly be wrong, but given the cops actually thought the original timeline was accurate, I'm having a hard time finding a situation where Campos isn't a really sketchy character after these revelations. He was the source of the information.. does anyone have a theory for how an honest mistake was made to screw up the timeline?
it's a shame so many bozos are out there flat making stupid **** up, because the abject reality is this was not a random crackpot shooting, and the FBI and others are absolutely covering up real information, probably both by bungling as well as intentionally.
i only saw one video that even remotely questions the single shooter probability, and even that was only on one volley.
most of the other claims are easily debunked. the guard video was clearly just a flashlight arc. the other videos are clearly echos, the pattern of destruction is fully consistent with one shooter, etc.
but the other people involved, paddock's history and motives, and the real reasons for what happened are absolutely being covered up and that's not right.
i only saw one video that even remotely questions the single shooter probability, and even that was only on one volley.
most of the other claims are easily debunked. the guard video was clearly just a flashlight arc. the other videos are clearly echos, the pattern of destruction is fully consistent with one shooter, etc.
but the other people involved, paddock's history and motives, and the real reasons for what happened are absolutely being covered up and that's not right.
So we believe there were 200 bullets flying by and only 1 hit him?North Dallas Forty oz. said:Breaking glass, shooting at fuel tanks, breaking more glass, switching guns, taking aim at concertgoers, etc.Quote:
What was Paddock doing for 6 minutes? Still setting up cameras?Valid questions, and I hope they release answers soon. I just wonder how likely it is that Campos was thinking clearly in the ~15 min. after getting shot by 1 out of ~200 bullets that unexpectedly came flying at him through a closed door.Quote:
HOW could they get this wrong? Wouldn't the guard Campos call the cops and backup immediately after getting shot and that would be impossible to overlook on the timeline. If Campos never called for help? Why not?
I take it there were no other guests staying in that wing who heard campos get shot then a few minutes later all hel break loose? Did they leave their room and see him on the ground?
Look at the door pics.DallasAg 94 said:So we believe there were 200 bullets flying by and only 1 hit him?North Dallas Forty oz. said:Breaking glass, shooting at fuel tanks, breaking more glass, switching guns, taking aim at concertgoers, etc.Quote:
What was Paddock doing for 6 minutes? Still setting up cameras?Valid questions, and I hope they release answers soon. I just wonder how likely it is that Campos was thinking clearly in the ~15 min. after getting shot by 1 out of ~200 bullets that unexpectedly came flying at him through a closed door.Quote:
HOW could they get this wrong? Wouldn't the guard Campos call the cops and backup immediately after getting shot and that would be impossible to overlook on the timeline. If Campos never called for help? Why not?
Ag In Ok said:
I take it there were no other guests staying in that wing who heard campos get shot then a few minutes later all hel break loose? Did they leave their room and see him on the ground?
Yeah, you have to think someone called 911 and from that floor....
I thought the 200 shots were at the cops when they showed up, not the security guard. Then again the LVPD story keeps changing
Im so confused
Nothing makes sense
Nothing makes sense
There are cameras everywhere in that hotel... someone knows the truth and it'll eventually be made public. Surprised they've been successful with this shell game bull**** as long as they have.
Theory... He checked in on the 25th. Didn't get the room he wanted (or it didn't view the target venue) so he changed rooms. On the 28th... he checked into "that" room."
HoustonAg15 said:
I could certainly be wrong, but given the cops actually thought the original timeline was accurate, I'm having a hard time finding a situation where Campos isn't a really sketchy character after these revelations. He was the source of the information.. does anyone have a theory for how an honest mistake was made to screw up the timeline?
Somehow gets shot, doesn't call for backup, tells cops he just arrived a moment before them, hangs around with cops while shot?
I don't get how he got shot and 200 rounds fired through the hall and he didn't call for backup. He'd have been in fear of his life. And if he did, I don't get how it could have been overlooked.
And was anyone else on that floor? Haven't heard a peep about witnesses in the hotel near the room.
BPCAg05 said:
I thought the 200 shots were at the cops when they showed up, not the security guard. Then again the LVPD story keeps changing
No, now it's that the 200 shots were fired down the hall 6 min before he fired out the window....
No one from the concert has audio/video of 200 shots being fired at the security guy? It wouldn't be as loud as the shots at them 6 minutes later, but no one noticed those 200?
Tom Doniphon said:
There are cameras everywhere in that hotel... someone knows the truth and it'll eventually be made public. Surprised they've been successful with this shell game bull**** as long as they have.
Why is this happening the way it is? Doesn't add up. Casinos don't seem the type to turn over every copy of all footage to the FBI/investigators. There has to be so much more information.
Joking, I think, but maybe he was a vampire? What kind of person says, "I do not do sun"?!
BPCAg05 said:
No one from the concert has audio/video of 200 shots being fired at the security guy? It wouldn't be as loud as the shots at them 6 minutes later, but no one noticed those 200?
You wouldn't be able to hear that with a concert going on when those windows aren't broken yet
Maybe the hotel lets him bring his arsenal...even shuts down the whole floor to accommodate his weird ways?!??!?
also, i thought the police officers in the video that was posted today, said after they arrived at the room, they used Campos' key to get all other hotel patrons off that floor.... were there other patrons? And if they got there as quickly as indicated - and assuming he shot Campos first - wouldn't that evacuation coincide with the time period when he was raining hell down on the concert venue?
Something is definitely way rotten in this deal.
Something is definitely way rotten in this deal.
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