They just announced it on nbc nightly news

Interesting. Why were the cops so adamant that the cops were on their way up when the security guard got shot? And they had a very precise timeline of the events in their presser


https://amp.usatoday.com/story/737178001/

10:05-10:08 p.m.: The gunman smashes two outside windows and begins firing on the crowd. A police dispatcher receives the first reports.
Police zero in on the Mandalay Bay casino

There is still confusion about whether the shots are coming from Mandalay Bay, the Luxor or even from within the festival grounds.

"We're seeing multiple flashes in the middle of Mandalay Bay, on the north side," one officer says, over the radio.

10:12 p.m.: Two officers arrive on the 31st floor and report gunfire is coming from directly above them.

10:15 p.m.: Gunfire ceases. No one, however knows the shooting is over.
Rescue Efforts Begin At Concert

10:16 p.m. Officers ask for medical help at a Giles Road and Reno Avenue. Meanwhile, other officers are pinned down against the east side wall of Las Vegas Boulevard, along with 40 to 50 people.

Officers approach gunman's room

10:17 p.m.: Two officers and a hotel security officer arrive on the 32nd floor and approach the shooter's room.

10:18 p.m.: The gunman shoots through his suite door, hitting the hotel officer in the leg.

10:26-10:30 p.m.: Eight more officers arrive on the 32nd floor and begin systematically clearing every room down the hall using a master key from the injured hotel officer.

Something else I would like to add. How many Marines here recall pulling pits for rapid fire at the 200 yard line during rapid fire with a 50 front firing line? Was it ever as loud as the cab driver heard from inside the car while the shooter was 32 stories above him and at least 250 yards away? 500 rounds in 60 seconds from 5.56 at 200 yds during rapid fire never sounded like it was 100 feet away.

During this briefing, the chief states the security guard, Campos, went to check on an open door alarm when he was shot by Paddock at 9:59pm. He then alerted security at the Casino. Paddock did not open fire on the crowd until after he had shot Campos.

So this may have precipitated Paddock initiating his attack on the concert crowd sooner than he had planned.

Spoke to some full-auto owners today and they said you can learn to use a bump stock in 2 minutes and they are relatively effective (if you don't have full auto of course)

We all agreed the oddity is carrying 23 guns with him - He would have reeked more destruction if he'd bought one or two full auto Guns. Might have spent a little more money but not much For such a wealthy real estate mogul....

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That video acts like he was running back and forth between windows, but one window was aimed at the fuel tanks and another at the concert.

Did he alternate between shooting at the concert and at the fuel tanks? That seems inefficient

https://res.cloudinary.com/stephens-media/image/upload/v1507173957/webSHOOT_targets_Oct5-17_copy_new.jpg

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I think this video is leaning more toward multiple shooters. I doubt this guy who falls when wearing flip flops was running room to room.

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Except they have nobody else leaving the room,

Not to get way conspiratorial, but why can't someone escape up or down the stairwell, an elevator or its shaft, or out the window.

Or as someone pointed out - maybe the guard assisted?

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The timeline change is HUGE...

If the security guard was shot 6 min before he opened up on the concert, then there is no good reason for him to be that heavily armed and then shut it down...

They are hiding something about this story...

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This change in story doesn't make sense. Guard and hotel then knows ahead of time what floor he is on.

Why are cops running around on the 31st floor looking for him?

If they already know where he is, why wait an hr to advance on him?

Original story makes sense. Shoots crowd. Engages guard, offs himself. Shooting lasts a few minutes.

Wonder if this will open hotel/ city up to lawsuits for not pushing in on him before the massacre?

Not buying it...

He had 15 more minutes and plenty of ammo to continue wreaking havoc...

Cops didn't breach until 10:26...

that's a lot of maybes and a whole lot of leftover ammo

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So this may have precipitated Paddock initiating his attack on the concert crowd sooner than he had planned.

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But wasn't the attack started during the last song of the concert?

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Jason Aldean was scheduled to take the stage at 9:40pm per the program guide. How long his performance was supposed to last I don't know. Below is a video of him when the shooting started. It doesn't look like a finale presentation venue, but I really can't say. Also, the Harvest Festival program states that festivities generally go on until circa midnight. The website for the festival has been shut down.

Also why shoot the guard at all?

If Paddock hadn't started firing, the guard had no reason to suspect his room.

Something just ain't right about this.

Why would he off himself instead of going down shooting? He could have torn up anybody coming down that hall

The whole timeline has changed. This all stinks.


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

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They had credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman's attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest's room.

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This is the first mention I've actually seen of what tripped the door alarm

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They had credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman's attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest's room.

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This is the first mention I've actually seen of what tripped the door alarm

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That was the original story they say is not true anymore. They say now he got shot before the windows were even broken out

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They had credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman's attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest's room.

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They had credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman's attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest's room.

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This is the first mention I've actually seen of what tripped the door alarm

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That was the original story they say is not true anymore. They say now he got shot before the windows were even broken out

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I'm talking about the door alarm. They had mentioned the door alarm multiple times, but I had never seen that it was another guest's room that was ajar.

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They had credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman's attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest's room.

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This is the first mention I've actually seen of what tripped the door alarm

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That was the original story they say is not true anymore. They say now he got shot before the windows were even broken out

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I'm talking about the door alarm. They had mentioned the door alarm multiple times, but I had never seen that it was another guest's room that was ajar.

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Gotcha

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But it doesn't explain why he ended it with only using a fraction of his arsenal...

Something ain't passing the smell test on this deal...

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I said as much on the previous page..

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that's a lot of maybes and a whole lot of leftover ammo

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It's not a lot of "maybes" when each one is an alternative, any one of which alone might explain why he stopped shooting when he did. When you have many potential explanations, that makes it more likely that events happened that way, not less likely.

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Also why shoot the guard at all?

If Paddock hadn't started firing, the guard had no reason to suspect his room.

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My guess is, when you're an unhinged psycho about to go on a murderous rampage, the security guard who shows up right outside the door early, and starts messing with your preparations, becomes victim #1.

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Lombardo also revised the date on which police believe Paddock checked into Mandalay Bay. While initially they said he had checked in on Sept. 28, three days before the shooting, they now believe he checked in on Sept. 25.

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Surprise surprise

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Laura Loomer right as always.

Yeah he may have seen the dinner cart out in the hall and went to retrieve it. But it had the baby monitor on it so paddock freaked out.

Still doesn't explain why they searched other floors