I'd haul assBadMoonRisin said:He likely had ear monitors on and could only hear the music and nothing else. How would you react if your manager or stage crew said "We are hearing gunshots out here, get off stage!"Urban Ag said:
It was reported that they told him through the headset to get off the stage, so I assume yes, they can communicate with him
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Urban Ag said:I'd haul assBadMoonRisin said:He likely had ear monitors on and could only hear the music and nothing else. How would you react if your manager or stage crew said "We are hearing gunshots out here, get off stage!"Urban Ag said:
It was reported that they told him through the headset to get off the stage, so I assume yes, they can communicate with him
Yeah with that stage set up and lights. He prolly couldn't hear or see anything in front of him.
Suppose I was an idiot. Suppose I was a member of congress. But, I repeat myself.
As others said, what could he have said that would have saved lives? Any panicked comment would have caused stampeding and trampling.Blahhead said:
I never really cared for Jason Aldean and this moment doesn't move the needle either way. However, a lot of people are calling him out for not at least warning the crowd before running away. Any comments on this aspect?
Along the same lines, what do you do if you're the lighting guy? Turning on the house lights gives the shooter easier targets. But leaving them off makes it harder for innocents to escape and likely means more people trampled.
Tough choice. I don't know which I would do.
What??
cone said:i won't disagree on thatQuote:
Institionalization reform wouldn't have changed anything here, but it is something that our country desperately needs.
but the mental health and gun control back and forth are just farce for something like this
this is price you pay for progress in a free society. for technology.
I'm just saying if you want a kneejerk political response... why go for the guns and not for the people pulling the trigger? Because empathy is much harder than control.
I wasn't saying kneejerk policy is a good thing. I don't think that at all.
You guys are getting too wrapped around the "over-heating". My friend has a registered M16 lower and we've pounded 2-300 rounds through pretty standard grade uppers without malfunction. He put a SAW upper kit on it this summer and we ran 500 linked rounds without over-heating.
Plus they are saying he had 10 rifles in the room. He probably changed weapons. Who knows.
Plus they are saying he had 10 rifles in the room. He probably changed weapons. Who knows.
CanyonAg77 said:As others said, what could he have said that would have saved lives? Any panicked comment would have caused stampeding and trampling.Blahhead said:
I never really cared for Jason Aldean and this moment doesn't move the needle either way. However, a lot of people are calling him out for not at least warning the crowd before running away. Any comments on this aspect?
Along the same lines, what do you do if you're the lighting guy? Turning on the house lights gives the shooter easier targets. But leaving them off makes it harder for innocents to escape and likely means more people trampled.
Tough choice. I don't know which I would do.
hindsight of course but.....
A. if possible turn and aim bright lights at the shooter. blind him if possible. make him have to shoot the lights out - if he has the capability....
B....get the hell away from the lights.
BernArnold said:CanyonAg77 said:As others said, what could he have said that would have saved lives? Any panicked comment would have caused stampeding and trampling.Blahhead said:
I never really cared for Jason Aldean and this moment doesn't move the needle either way. However, a lot of people are calling him out for not at least warning the crowd before running away. Any comments on this aspect?
Along the same lines, what do you do if you're the lighting guy? Turning on the house lights gives the shooter easier targets. But leaving them off makes it harder for innocents to escape and likely means more people trampled.
Tough choice. I don't know which I would do.
hindsight of course but.....
A. if possible turn and aim bright lights at the shooter. blind him if possible. make him have to shoot the lights out - if he has the capability....
B....get the hell away from the lights.
This isn't a movie tho..
because the political agenda isn't mental health. it's a disarmed populace. I thought the answer was obvious.swimmerbabe11 said:cone said:i won't disagree on thatQuote:
Institionalization reform wouldn't have changed anything here, but it is something that our country desperately needs.
but the mental health and gun control back and forth are just farce for something like this
this is price you pay for progress in a free society. for technology.
I'm just saying if you want a kneejerk political response... why go for the guns and not for the people pulling the trigger? Because empathy is much harder than control.
I wasn't saying kneejerk policy is a good thing. I don't think that at all.
Want to listen to something tough, go to liveleak and listen to the real time police scanner.
Still dumber than dirt.CanyonAg77 said:
And who the flip is he and why should I care?
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
The "expert" on Hannity is a class one idiot.
He is claiming that drum magazines are totally illegal in the US without a "military permit." And of course he calls them "clips."
He is claiming that drum magazines are totally illegal in the US without a "military permit." And of course he calls them "clips."
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
Skip to 47 seconds, that sounds really similar to the gun the guy used. That's a damn serious weapon if so.
****, that's an expert to anyone in the NE.
If I'd known this phrase triggered liberals so much, I'd have used it much sooner.....
Thought and Prayers to all the victims of this tragedy.
Thought and Prayers to all the victims of this tragedy.
it's got to be next to impossible to get your hands on a 240 without serious, serious money.NAP Violator said:
Skip to 47 seconds, that sounds really similar to the gun the guy used. That's a damn serious weapon if so.
Urban Ag said:
You guys are getting too wrapped around the "over-heating". My friend has a registered M16 lower and we've pounded 2-300 rounds through pretty standard grade uppers without malfunction. He put a SAW upper kit on it this summer and we ran 500 linked rounds without over-heating.
Plus they are saying he had 10 rifles in the room. He probably changed weapons. Who knows.
I almost think he was expecting company. Or had company?
Suppose I was an idiot. Suppose I was a member of congress. But, I repeat myself.
You don't have a military permit? Haha. I do. I keep it right here next to my Texas Gun Permit, my Rhodesian passport, and my collection of "sticky bombs" (they're bombs that stick, you can look it up in the field manual).Rapier108 said:
The "expert" on Hannity is a class one idiot.
He is claiming that drum magazines are totally illegal in the US without a "military permit." And of course he calls them "clips."
That's what I was thinking. That is not remotely a cheap weapon. Of course if you're willing to spend everything you own and prepared to die, money may not be much of a factor.Presley OBannons Sword said:it's got to be next to impossible to get your hands on a 240 without serious, serious money.NAP Violator said:
Skip to 47 seconds, that sounds really similar to the gun the guy used. That's a damn serious weapon if so.
Edit - Do we know anything about the shooter's weapon yet?
That guy needs to look into inner city gang violence and crime if he wants to eliminate about 3/4 of those murders.
Nothing concrete. Fox News says earlier that it was 3 illegally modified AR-15s, but of course to a journalist, everything is either an AR or AK.Quote:
Edit - Do we know anything about the shooter's weapon yet?
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
it's a stick-e-bombUrban Ag said:You don't have a military permit? Haha. I do. I keep it right here next to my Texas Gun Permit, my Rhodesian passport, and my collection of "sticky bombs" (they're bombs that stick, you can look it up in the field manual).Rapier108 said:
The "expert" on Hannity is a class one idiot.
He is claiming that drum magazines are totally illegal in the US without a "military permit." And of course he calls them "clips."
On th police scanner you can hear a cop alerting whoever was listening that there were people fleeing onto the runways.
Sold exclusively at Bucc-eesVery Tolerant Nice Guy said:it's a stick-e-bombUrban Ag said:You don't have a military permit? Haha. I do. I keep it right here next to my Texas Gun Permit, my Rhodesian passport, and my collection of "sticky bombs" (they're bombs that stick, you can look it up in the field manual).Rapier108 said:
The "expert" on Hannity is a class one idiot.
He is claiming that drum magazines are totally illegal in the US without a "military permit." And of course he calls them "clips."
Seven and three are ten, not only now, but forever. There has never been a time when seven and three were not ten, nor will there ever be a time when they are not ten. Therefore, I have said that the truth of number is incorruptible and common to all who think. — St. Augustine
Negative. But there's enough movie/spy novel drama to give this scenario a legitimate consideration.
I just read that it was 72 minutes from the first shots until the police breached the room.
That is stunning to me.
That is stunning to me.
Cow Hop Ag and Bayside both say they are conservatives.
Bayside admits to being pro choice.
Bayside calls Cow Hop Ag a liberal because he's a moral man.
/ Charpie 4-13-18
Bayside admits to being pro choice.
Bayside calls Cow Hop Ag a liberal because he's a moral man.
/ Charpie 4-13-18
http://fortune.com/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting-police-found-shooter/
Where are seeing 72 minutes? This one says less than 20 minutes.
Where are seeing 72 minutes? This one says less than 20 minutes.
72? Everything I've heard has been 10 - 15 minutes.