just looking on google earth, its about 390 yards from the hotel to the stage. Close to 600 yards to the back of the venue (that's not even counting the elevation change).

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And please correct me if I'm wrong, but automatics are legal but have tight limits on how they can be bought and sold. They are not illegal to possess entirely.

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Correct; the process to purchase one is expensive (not counting the cost of the gun itself which will be very high), time consuming, and extensive.

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To add, any automatic weapons manufactured after 1986 are already banned.

Mandalay does not require key cards for the elevator, or at least it didn't when I was there last year

Venetian does require key cards.

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Automatics are illegal, but they wont care.

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Fully legal if you're willing to pay for them, go through the extremely extensive background check, and then pay the required fees and taxes. A fully automatic weapon can cost into the tens of thousands of dollars with historical types (Thompson, BAR, Stg44, etc.) going for six figures if they're in pristine condition. Also, the gun must have been made before 1986 to be legal.

But people willing to go through all of that are highly unlikely to commit crimes with the weapons.

Very likely his gun was either purchased illegally, or he modified it illegally.

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My neighbor has a class III license; he has all the good toys.

I BBQ; invite him and friends over and we shoot all day.

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just looking on google earth, its about 390 yards from the hotel to the stage. Close to 600 yards to the back of the venue (that's not even counting the elevation change).

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600 meters is inside effective range for everything from 5.56 and bigger.

Didn't see this posted, statement from his brother...

Eric Paddock, the gunman's brother, told the Daily Mail that the family is "dumbfounded" and said there was "absolutely no indication he could do something like this" and he had no political or religious affiliation. Eric Paddock said "he was just a guy. Something happened, he snapped or something."

Eric Paddock, who lives in Central Florida along with many members of the shooter's family, told the Daily Mail, "He's my brother, we don't have a very close relationship but we talk occasionally. There's no rhyme or reason here, it makes no sense. He has no political affiliation, no religious affiliation, as far as we know. This wasn't a terror attack."

You don't have to aim when shooting into a croud like that.

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Wow, now a guest on MSNBC has a guest in which that these automatic weapons are readily available, what a false narrative. They should at least comment on how difficult they are to obtain LEGALLY. How embarrassing.

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The media loves to trot out that false narrative. They think any gun other than a revolver or shotgun is a "fully automatic" weapon.

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Wow, now a guest on MSNBC has a guest in which that these automatic weapons are readily available, what a false narrative. They should at least comment on how difficult they are to obtain LEGALLY. How embarrassing.

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Save yourself, stop watching PMSNBC.
Pron is more honest than that network.

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In all seriousness, one has to consider the target chosen.

My guess is either he chose the target simply because it was a large, soft target, and dude just wanted to go bsc.

Or, a crazy antifa type, looking to exterminate "deplorables" for the cause.

If I were betting, I'd say the latter. But I'm horrible at gambling, so there is that. We will see, though.

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i'm leaning to the former

no discernible motive, especially no political motive

and we the living will try to manufacture one for him

It could have been a bit of psychopathic behavior and the desire to be remembered.

He is a loser either way.

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bought a sks rifle and a couple full cases of that steel core ammo with the berdan primers from some east bloc nation that no longer needs em

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Definitely the sound of an AK.

They need to let their audience know the facts of obtaining a FULLY AUTOMATIC GUN LEGALLY, which this one was, just give the facts and let your audience decide.

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this level of premeditation

it's gonna be hard to screen someone like that out of mental illness

this dude was high-functioning

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Yes, which debunks hs brother commenting : "he must have snapped" . this took lots of planning.

Just watched video that was posted on pg1, and that "crack" definitely sounds familiar, and similar to an ak.

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this level of premeditation

it's gonna be hard to screen someone like that out of mental illness

this dude was high-functioning

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Yes, which debunks hs brother commenting : "he must have snapped" . this took lots of planning.

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Snapped could mean anything. Not everyone who "snaps" just suddenly goes crazy on the spot.

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This POS was behind the stage and elevated... these poor people had no idea where the shots were coming from.

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He killed himself as soon as police breached his door. Coward.

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Sherriff said SWAT killed him.

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just looking on google earth, its about 390 yards from the hotel to the stage. Close to 600 yards to the back of the venue (that's not even counting the elevation change).

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600 meters is inside effective range for everything from 5.56 and bigger.

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800 meters for an area target. You wouldn't need to aim at a concert like that.

kinda sorta

he could have snapped a while back but in such a way that lead to such meticulous premeditation

that's why i was wondering if he was ex-military. this level of planning requires discipline.

Those (censored) needs an a$$ whooping....like bad....like send them to Honduras with anti-MS13 face ink for a 3rd world beat down need...

How do you know?

Exactly - no false narratives.

Sick people go on killing sprees.

No blaming religion or race.

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Many of those Antifa pages/accounts aren't legit.

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I know Boston Antifa isn't legit, but I have no idea about the others.

I'm wondering if some, or maybe even the majority, of the causalities are the result of the stampede as people tried to get away.