Demon 8 said:

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scottimus said:

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I listened to the cycling of the weapon.



Lots of deceleration in the shooting cycle.


Too much to think it was select fire.

I almost want to say bump stock?

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I agree. The sound is definitely not a weapon that was manufactured to spray full auto. Also, the massive dump of ammo without interruption leads me to believe it was a drum mag.

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Drum mag or belt it could not have been easy to get that into a bigtime hotel on the 30th something floor with out being seen by someone. I guess you could pack it in a huge very heavy bag and being a 60 something YO tote it into your room along with a bunch of other hardware.

Yep.

We have a human need for an explanation or reason this happened. We search for it. We even manufacture it.

Police spokesman said he had at least 10rifles in the hotel room

MouthBQ98 said:

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We have a human need for an explanation or reason this happened. We search for it.

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Yes we do. And instinctively, we look for legal or technical fixes to problems which are functions of human misbehavior or mental illness.

ttu_85 said:

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Demon 8 said:

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scottimus said:

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I listened to the cycling of the weapon.



Lots of deceleration in the shooting cycle.


Too much to think it was select fire.

I almost want to say bump stock?

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I agree. The sound is definitely not a weapon that was manufactured to spray full auto. Also, the massive dump of ammo without interruption leads me to believe it was a drum mag.

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Drum mag or belt it could not have been easy to get that into a bigtime hotel on the 30th something floor with out being seen by someone. I guess you could pack it in a huge very heavy bag and being a 60 something YO tote it into your room along with a bunch of other hardware.

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it would be super easy.

Damn

People are saying that it sounded like a damn SAW, which is a heavily regulated gun. There is no way this was obtained legally.

crowman2010 said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Demon 8 said:

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scottimus said:

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I listened to the cycling of the weapon.

Lots of deceleration in the shooting cycle.

Too much to think it was select fire.

I almost want to say bump stock?

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I agree. The sound is definitely not a weapon that was manufactured to spray full auto. Also, the massive dump of ammo without interruption leads me to believe it was a drum mag.

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Drum mag or belt it could not have been easy to get that into a bigtime hotel on the 30th something floor with out being seen by someone. I guess you could pack it in a huge very heavy bag and being a 60 something YO tote it into your room along with a bunch of other hardware.

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On the contrary, it would have been quite easy to put a folding stock rifle into a rolling suitcase with 10-12 100rd drum mags without even being noticed.

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or a std weaponb in a golf case.

Toss some starkist off camera she will go after it like a cat.

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Automatics are illegal, but they wont care.

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Already trying to explain to a few that you cannot just go buy full auto at Academy or a gun show.

Gigantic suitcases being hauled through a hotel lobby aren't noticed. It is the perfect place to stage a lot of gear.

Let's just go with the theory of an AR with a bump stock.


Split the rifle in 2 pieces, pack in luggage. Have your drums in luggage or in a backpack.

Put the halves together, insert the drum, rack the charging handle, and go be crazy.

I'd say it's evidently very possible because it happened

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crowman2010 said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Demon 8 said:

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scottimus said:

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I listened to the cycling of the weapon.

Lots of deceleration in the shooting cycle.

Too much to think it was select fire.

I almost want to say bump stock?

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I agree. The sound is definitely not a weapon that was manufactured to spray full auto. Also, the massive dump of ammo without interruption leads me to believe it was a drum mag.

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Drum mag or belt it could not have been easy to get that into a bigtime hotel on the 30th something floor with out being seen by someone. I guess you could pack it in a huge very heavy bag and being a 60 something YO tote it into your room along with a bunch of other hardware.

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On the contrary, it would have been quite easy to put a folding stock rifle into a rolling suitcase with 10-12 100rd drum mags without even being noticed.

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or a std weaponb in a golf case.

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Per The Guardian:

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Some 10 weapons were found in his room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel.

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He added: "A number of long rifles were in that room. I would say there were at least eight guns up there."

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-two-dead-in-mandalay-bay-casino-shooting-latest-updates

AggieHank86 said:

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crowman2010 said:

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ttu_85 said:

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Demon 8 said:

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scottimus said:

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I listened to the cycling of the weapon.

Lots of deceleration in the shooting cycle.

Too much to think it was select fire.

I almost want to say bump stock?

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I agree. The sound is definitely not a weapon that was manufactured to spray full auto. Also, the massive dump of ammo without interruption leads me to believe it was a drum mag.

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Drum mag or belt it could not have been easy to get that into a bigtime hotel on the 30th something floor with out being seen by someone. I guess you could pack it in a huge very heavy bag and being a 60 something YO tote it into your room along with a bunch of other hardware.

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On the contrary, it would have been quite easy to put a folding stock rifle into a rolling suitcase with 10-12 100rd drum mags without even being noticed.

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or a std weaponb in a golf case.

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you could disassemble an AR and dang near fit it in a backpack. it wouldn't be hard to get stuff inside at all.

He checked in 9-28.


He was using the Woman's ID.

She was is out of the country.

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Fully legal if you're willing to pay for them, go through the extremely extensive background check, and then pay the required fees and taxes. A fully automatic weapon can cost into the tens of thousands of dollars with historical types (Thompson, BAR, Stg44, etc.) going for six figures if they're in pristine condition. Also, the gun must have been made before 1986 to be legal.

But people willing to go through all of that are highly unlikely to commit crimes with the weapons.

Very likely his gun was either purchased illegally, or he modified it illegally.

Leaving for Vegas in Wednesday morning. Will make sure to keep clear of that area.

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Demon 8 said:

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scottimus said:

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I listened to the cycling of the weapon.



Lots of deceleration in the shooting cycle.


Too much to think it was select fire.

I almost want to say bump stock?

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I agree. The sound is definitely not a weapon that was manufactured to spray full auto. Also, the massive dump of ammo without interruption leads me to believe it was a drum mag.

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Drum mag or belt it could not have been easy to get that into a bigtime hotel on the 30th something floor with out being seen by someone. I guess you could pack it in a huge very heavy bag and being a 60 something YO tote it into your room along with a bunch of other hardware.

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Have you been to these hotels in the last ten years?
It would be incredibly easy to bring them in.

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Cue the cries for gun control in 3......2.....1.....

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I am not in favor of gun control, but you have to admit this tragedy will be ripe for the control nuts to get mileage for their cause.

Automatics are illegal, but they wont care.

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...and the leftist country singers will be leading the charge

From what I read about the story, did the police take this guy out within 10 minutes of the first shots?

That is pretty amazing considering that they had to locate the shooter, mobilize the response team and blast open the door to get to the guy.

No doubt they have had some quick reaction force on stand-by for just this reason.

He killed himself as soon as police breached his door. Coward.

And all those people just out to have fun and boom, it is gone.

Then the phone calls to family.

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Has this been confirmed? These sickos weren't at the concert before they went upstairs were they?

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From what I read about the story, did the police take this guy out within 10 minutes of the first shots?

That is pretty amazing considering that they had to locate the shooter, mobilize the response team and blast open the door to get to the guy.

No doubt they have had some quick reaction force on stand-by for just this reason.

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Supposedly the windows have alarms, so they wouldn't have to figure that part out anyway.

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AggieHank86 said:

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crowman2010 said:

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it would have been quite easy to put a folding stock rifle into a rolling suitcase with 10-12 100rd drum mags without even being noticed.

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you could disassemble an AR and dang near fit it in a backpack. it wouldn't be hard to get stuff inside at all.

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Who knows what this guy was using. A bit early for all the speculation. I am simply saying that there is no NEED for this to have been some sort of disassembled or folded weapon.

I personally own a hard case for transporting golf clubs on an aircraft. I could easily wrap at least five perhaps six weapons in towels to prevent noise and fit all of them in that case. It even locks, to prevent anyone from looking inside.

Ammo and the like in a second suitcase. Less luggage than the average Vegas traveler.

I agree. I just stayed at Mandalay two weeks ago and make multiple stops a year in Vegas. There are literally thousands of people an hour entering and leaving the hotel/casinos with large bags of luggage. He would have been able to move everything he needed without even being noticed. You do not need a key card to get in, you do not need a key card to get on the elevator; he could have simply walked in, went upstairs, and opened fire.

Prayers all around, I am afraid the number will rise above 50.