Drum mag or belt it could not have been easy to get that into a bigtime hotel on the 30th something floor with out being seen by someone. I guess you could pack it in a huge very heavy bag and being a 60 something YO tote it into your room along with a bunch of other hardware.Demon 8 said:scottimus said:
I listened to the cycling of the weapon.
Lots of deceleration in the shooting cycle.
Too much to think it was select fire.
I almost want to say bump stock?
I agree. The sound is definitely not a weapon that was manufactured to spray full auto. Also, the massive dump of ammo without interruption leads me to believe it was a drum mag.
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Texans make the best songwriters because they are the best liars.-Rodney Crowell
We will never give up our guns Steve, we don't care if there is a mass shooting every day of the week.
-BarronVonAwesome
A man with experience is not at the mercy of another man with an opinion.
Anyone annoyed by Robin Roberts ending every segment with "deadliest mass shooting in American history"? Okay we get it. No need to keep announcing it like the killer won an award.
We have a human need for an explanation or reason this happened. We search for it. We even manufacture it.
On the contrary, it would have been quite easy to put a folding stock rifle into a rolling suitcase with 10-12 100rd drum mags without even being noticed.ttu_85 said:Drum mag or belt it could not have been easy to get that into a bigtime hotel on the 30th something floor with out being seen by someone. I guess you could pack it in a huge very heavy bag and being a 60 something YO tote it into your room along with a bunch of other hardware.Demon 8 said:scottimus said:
I listened to the cycling of the weapon.
Lots of deceleration in the shooting cycle.
Too much to think it was select fire.
I almost want to say bump stock?
I agree. The sound is definitely not a weapon that was manufactured to spray full auto. Also, the massive dump of ammo without interruption leads me to believe it was a drum mag.
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the worst part of human tragedy social media is the culture war tension over motive
we live in a garbage society that really doesn't care about loss of human life and grieving that loss
we live in a garbage society that really doesn't care about loss of human life and grieving that loss
Police spokesman said he had at least 10rifles in the hotel room
Yes we do. And instinctively, we look for legal or technical fixes to problems which are functions of human misbehavior or mental illness.MouthBQ98 said:
We have a human need for an explanation or reason this happened. We search for it.
?ttu_85 said:Drum mag or belt it could not have been easy to get that into a bigtime hotel on the 30th something floor with out being seen by someone. I guess you could pack it in a huge very heavy bag and being a 60 something YO tote it into your room along with a bunch of other hardware.Demon 8 said:scottimus said:
I listened to the cycling of the weapon.
Lots of deceleration in the shooting cycle.
Too much to think it was select fire.
I almost want to say bump stock?
I agree. The sound is definitely not a weapon that was manufactured to spray full auto. Also, the massive dump of ammo without interruption leads me to believe it was a drum mag.
it would be super easy.
Damn
People are saying that it sounded like a damn SAW, which is a heavily regulated gun. There is no way this was obtained legally.
or a std weaponb in a golf case.crowman2010 said:On the contrary, it would have been quite easy to put a folding stock rifle into a rolling suitcase with 10-12 100rd drum mags without even being noticed.ttu_85 said:Drum mag or belt it could not have been easy to get that into a bigtime hotel on the 30th something floor with out being seen by someone. I guess you could pack it in a huge very heavy bag and being a 60 something YO tote it into your room along with a bunch of other hardware.Demon 8 said:scottimus said:
I listened to the cycling of the weapon.
Lots of deceleration in the shooting cycle.
Too much to think it was select fire.
I almost want to say bump stock?
I agree. The sound is definitely not a weapon that was manufactured to spray full auto. Also, the massive dump of ammo without interruption leads me to believe it was a drum mag.
I am not in favor of gun control, but you have to admit this tragedy will be ripe for the control nuts to get mileage for their cause.AggieUSMC said:
Cue the cries for gun control in 3......2.....1.....
Automatics are illegal, but they wont care.
Toss some starkist off camera she will go after it like a cat.
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Texans make the best songwriters because they are the best liars.-Rodney Crowell
We will never give up our guns Steve, we don't care if there is a mass shooting every day of the week.
-BarronVonAwesome
A man with experience is not at the mercy of another man with an opinion.
Texans make the best songwriters because they are the best liars.-Rodney Crowell
We will never give up our guns Steve, we don't care if there is a mass shooting every day of the week.
-BarronVonAwesome
A man with experience is not at the mercy of another man with an opinion.
Already trying to explain to a few that you cannot just go buy full auto at Academy or a gun show.Quote:
Automatics are illegal, but they wont care.
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Texans make the best songwriters because they are the best liars.-Rodney Crowell
We will never give up our guns Steve, we don't care if there is a mass shooting every day of the week.
-BarronVonAwesome
A man with experience is not at the mercy of another man with an opinion.
Texans make the best songwriters because they are the best liars.-Rodney Crowell
We will never give up our guns Steve, we don't care if there is a mass shooting every day of the week.
-BarronVonAwesome
A man with experience is not at the mercy of another man with an opinion.
Gigantic suitcases being hauled through a hotel lobby aren't noticed. It is the perfect place to stage a lot of gear.
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Let's just go with the theory of an AR with a bump stock.
Split the rifle in 2 pieces, pack in luggage. Have your drums in luggage or in a backpack.
Put the halves together, insert the drum, rack the charging handle, and go be crazy.
I'd say it's evidently very possible because it happened
Split the rifle in 2 pieces, pack in luggage. Have your drums in luggage or in a backpack.
Put the halves together, insert the drum, rack the charging handle, and go be crazy.
I'd say it's evidently very possible because it happened
Per The Guardian:AggieHank86 said:or a std weaponb in a golf case.crowman2010 said:On the contrary, it would have been quite easy to put a folding stock rifle into a rolling suitcase with 10-12 100rd drum mags without even being noticed.ttu_85 said:Drum mag or belt it could not have been easy to get that into a bigtime hotel on the 30th something floor with out being seen by someone. I guess you could pack it in a huge very heavy bag and being a 60 something YO tote it into your room along with a bunch of other hardware.Demon 8 said:scottimus said:
I listened to the cycling of the weapon.
Lots of deceleration in the shooting cycle.
Too much to think it was select fire.
I almost want to say bump stock?
I agree. The sound is definitely not a weapon that was manufactured to spray full auto. Also, the massive dump of ammo without interruption leads me to believe it was a drum mag.
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Some 10 weapons were found in his room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-two-dead-in-mandalay-bay-casino-shooting-latest-updatesQuote:
He added: "A number of long rifles were in that room. I would say there were at least eight guns up there."
you could disassemble an AR and dang near fit it in a backpack. it wouldn't be hard to get stuff inside at all.AggieHank86 said:or a std weaponb in a golf case.crowman2010 said:On the contrary, it would have been quite easy to put a folding stock rifle into a rolling suitcase with 10-12 100rd drum mags without even being noticed.ttu_85 said:Drum mag or belt it could not have been easy to get that into a bigtime hotel on the 30th something floor with out being seen by someone. I guess you could pack it in a huge very heavy bag and being a 60 something YO tote it into your room along with a bunch of other hardware.Demon 8 said:scottimus said:
I listened to the cycling of the weapon.
Lots of deceleration in the shooting cycle.
Too much to think it was select fire.
I almost want to say bump stock?
I agree. The sound is definitely not a weapon that was manufactured to spray full auto. Also, the massive dump of ammo without interruption leads me to believe it was a drum mag.
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the worst part of human tragedy social media is the culture war tension over motive
we live in a garbage society that really doesn't care about loss of human life and grieving that loss
Read the first page of this thread and look at how much of that garbage started flowing before the body count even came in
He checked in 9-28.
He was using the Woman's ID.
She was is out of the country.
He was using the Woman's ID.
She was is out of the country.
Suppose I was an idiot. Suppose I was a member of congress. But, I repeat myself.
Fully legal if you're willing to pay for them, go through the extremely extensive background check, and then pay the required fees and taxes. A fully automatic weapon can cost into the tens of thousands of dollars with historical types (Thompson, BAR, Stg44, etc.) going for six figures if they're in pristine condition. Also, the gun must have been made before 1986 to be legal.Quote:
Automatics are illegal, but they wont care.
But people willing to go through all of that are highly unlikely to commit crimes with the weapons.
Very likely his gun was either purchased illegally, or he modified it illegally.
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Leaving for Vegas in Wednesday morning. Will make sure to keep clear of that area.
Mental health is the greatest threat to our safety in these attacks. There have been way more crazy lone wolf shooters than muslimnterrorists.
People with major mental health issues should not be able to purchase a gun.
People with major mental health issues should not be able to purchase a gun.
Have you been to these hotels in the last ten years?ttu_85 said:Drum mag or belt it could not have been easy to get that into a bigtime hotel on the 30th something floor with out being seen by someone. I guess you could pack it in a huge very heavy bag and being a 60 something YO tote it into your room along with a bunch of other hardware.Demon 8 said:scottimus said:
I listened to the cycling of the weapon.
Lots of deceleration in the shooting cycle.
Too much to think it was select fire.
I almost want to say bump stock?
I agree. The sound is definitely not a weapon that was manufactured to spray full auto. Also, the massive dump of ammo without interruption leads me to believe it was a drum mag.
It would be incredibly easy to bring them in.
...and the leftist country singers will be leading the chargeTurkeyBaconLeg said:I am not in favor of gun control, but you have to admit this tragedy will be ripe for the control nuts to get mileage for their cause.AggieUSMC said:
Cue the cries for gun control in 3......2.....1.....
Automatics are illegal, but they wont care.
From what I read about the story, did the police take this guy out within 10 minutes of the first shots?
That is pretty amazing considering that they had to locate the shooter, mobilize the response team and blast open the door to get to the guy.
No doubt they have had some quick reaction force on stand-by for just this reason.
That is pretty amazing considering that they had to locate the shooter, mobilize the response team and blast open the door to get to the guy.
No doubt they have had some quick reaction force on stand-by for just this reason.
He killed himself as soon as police breached his door. Coward.
And all those people just out to have fun and boom, it is gone.
Then the phone calls to family.
Then the phone calls to family.
The Debt said:
Has this been confirmed? These sickos weren't at the concert before they went upstairs were they?
For all we know he could have owned these weapons long before mental illness or he could have borrowed them from a family member or buddy.BallerStaf2003 said:
Mental health is the greatest threat to our safety in these attacks. There have been way more crazy lone wolf shooters than muslimnterrorists.
People with major mental health issues should not be able to purchase a gun.
Its awfully hard to stop a crazy person from doing something crazy. No law can keep crazy/evil from happening. They always seem to find a way.
Supposedly the windows have alarms, so they wouldn't have to figure that part out anyway.TurkeyBaconLeg said:
From what I read about the story, did the police take this guy out within 10 minutes of the first shots?
That is pretty amazing considering that they had to locate the shooter, mobilize the response team and blast open the door to get to the guy.
No doubt they have had some quick reaction force on stand-by for just this reason.
Who knows what this guy was using. A bit early for all the speculation. I am simply saying that there is no NEED for this to have been some sort of disassembled or folded weapon.Presley OBannons Sword said:you could disassemble an AR and dang near fit it in a backpack. it wouldn't be hard to get stuff inside at all.AggieHank86 said:or a std weaponb in a golf case.crowman2010 said:
it would have been quite easy to put a folding stock rifle into a rolling suitcase with 10-12 100rd drum mags without even being noticed.
I personally own a hard case for transporting golf clubs on an aircraft. I could easily wrap at least five perhaps six weapons in towels to prevent noise and fit all of them in that case. It even locks, to prevent anyone from looking inside.
Ammo and the like in a second suitcase. Less luggage than the average Vegas traveler.
BallerStaf2003 said:
Mental health is the greatest threat to our safety in these attacks. There have been way more crazy lone wolf shooters than muslimnterrorists.
People with major mental health issues should not be able to purchase a gun.
you cannot buy a gun if:
- Were convicted of a crime that carried a sentence of more than one year, or a misdemeanor that carried a sentence of over two years
- Are a fugitive (i.e. there's a felony or misdemeanor warrant for your arrest)
- Are an addict
- Are diagnosed mentally ill, which can include being involuntarily committed, found not guilty by reason of insanity, or found unfit to stand trial
- Reside in the US illegally
- Are dishonorably discharged from the military
- Had a restraining ordered issued against you (i.e. found guilty of harassing, stalking, or threatening a partner or the child of your partner)
- Were convicted of domestic violence (i.e. convicted of using or threatening to use a deadly weapon against a spouse, former spouse, parent, guardian of the victim, etc.)
- Have renounced your US citizenship
I agree. I just stayed at Mandalay two weeks ago and make multiple stops a year in Vegas. There are literally thousands of people an hour entering and leaving the hotel/casinos with large bags of luggage. He would have been able to move everything he needed without even being noticed. You do not need a key card to get in, you do not need a key card to get on the elevator; he could have simply walked in, went upstairs, and opened fire.
Prayers all around, I am afraid the number will rise above 50.
Prayers all around, I am afraid the number will rise above 50.
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