Non military style policing is also seen in places with punishments comparable or even less than our own. It's not by any means a requirement
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Aggrad08 said:
Non military style policing is also seen in places with punishments comparable or even less than our own. It's not by any means a requirement
Can you tell me what those places are? Let me see if I can zero in on another variable.
Pretty much the rest of the first world, the Middle East, affluent Asia. We are a pretty big outlier here.
Aggrad08 said:
Pretty much the rest of the first world, the Middle East, affluent Asia. We are a pretty big outlier here.
I would bet if you remove the number of a very small minority that aren't prevalent in those societies the crime level is nearly the same.
Your characterization of the media landscape is at best outdated. The average American now gets their news from a source that is either explicitly right wing or owned and controlled by right wing, Trump supporting billionaires. The local stations are mostly owned by Sinclair or Nexstar which are both openly conservative. People like Ellison and Bezos are buying up traditional outlets like CBS and the Washington Post to force a more explicitly conservative viewpoint. Talk radio has been and remains a conservative stronghold. Cable news is dominated by conservative outlets like Fox News, ONN, Newsmax, and so on.
But most important is the consolidation of social media networks under conservative billionaire ownership. Zuckerberg with Meta/Facebook/Instagram, Musk with X/Twitter, and Trump's plan to install his pals as the owners of TikTok for example.
Meanwhile Trump is using the threat of government intervention to silence any dissent from academia, with many universities rushing to comply rather than be subject to his wrath. The funny part being that even giving Trump what he wants doesn't reliably keep him from attacking you anyway.
But most important is the consolidation of social media networks under conservative billionaire ownership. Zuckerberg with Meta/Facebook/Instagram, Musk with X/Twitter, and Trump's plan to install his pals as the owners of TikTok for example.
Meanwhile Trump is using the threat of government intervention to silence any dissent from academia, with many universities rushing to comply rather than be subject to his wrath. The funny part being that even giving Trump what he wants doesn't reliably keep him from attacking you anyway.
Zuckerberg is right wing now? Really?
The vast majority of journalists are still heavily left leaning, as are most media personalities. Late night talk show hosts, etc.
Although I'm not the one crying that my voice isn't being heard so I need to go assault cops to get my message out.
Also, your characterization of Trump's relationship with academia is completely unhinged. He asked them to stop being overtly racist. Oh the horror.
The vast majority of journalists are still heavily left leaning, as are most media personalities. Late night talk show hosts, etc.
Although I'm not the one crying that my voice isn't being heard so I need to go assault cops to get my message out.
Also, your characterization of Trump's relationship with academia is completely unhinged. He asked them to stop being overtly racist. Oh the horror.
I also love how cultivating a neutral marketplace of ideas is now considered "right wing."
Ya'll don't even hide your desire for an agenda driven ideological framework for media. You love being told what to think.by your masters.
Ya'll don't even hide your desire for an agenda driven ideological framework for media. You love being told what to think.by your masters.
Zuckerberg has pretty explicitly lined himself up as Trump supporter over the last year and half. Whether he's a true believer or an opportunist doesn't really matter, though for the record I have no problem doubting a billionaire would like the guy promising to cut his taxes, work against the unions, and allow his company to break any regulation they'd like.
The average journalist might be liberal, but increasingly their editors and the owners of the companies they work for aren't. That matters. And yes, comedians tend to not be conservative. There's only so many times you can hear a variation of the "I identify as an attack helicopter" joke before you need something else.
Trump's attacks on academia had nothing to do with racism, no matter what nonsense he claims. He lashed out against what he saw as liberal institutions because he saw them as liberal institutions, that was the impetus.
The average journalist might be liberal, but increasingly their editors and the owners of the companies they work for aren't. That matters. And yes, comedians tend to not be conservative. There's only so many times you can hear a variation of the "I identify as an attack helicopter" joke before you need something else.
Trump's attacks on academia had nothing to do with racism, no matter what nonsense he claims. He lashed out against what he saw as liberal institutions because he saw them as liberal institutions, that was the impetus.
Give me examples of these right wing editors? Bari Wiess isn't right wing, if thats who you are thinking of. Show your work.
And you are just completely wrong about academia. Conservatives have been complaining about the overt racism and sexism of DEI for years. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.
And you are just completely wrong about academia. Conservatives have been complaining about the overt racism and sexism of DEI for years. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.
Now in Maine: The Press Herald reports that ICE watchers are saying federal agents are coming to their house to threaten and intimidate them.https://t.co/SZlSkV4jq5
— Taniel (@Taniel) January 27, 2026
Looks like illegal immigrant hotspot Maine is next to be saved by ICE
I'd argue Weiss has consistently pushed an explicitly conservative viewpoint everywhere she's had influence. But just look at the leadership of any of the news organizations I previously mentioned and you'll see conservative ownership and management. The Washington Post, for example is led by former Boris Johnson advisor William Lewis. The Baltimore Sun was bought out by the same right wing ownership behind Sinclair Broadcast Group. TikTok largely getting taken over by Larry Ellison who owns Paramount (CBS) and is also attempting a hostile takeover of Warner Bros Discovery (who own CNN). Looks like Netflix might have gotten that one though, so we'll see. None of this stuff is secret. It's mostly the same small group of right wing billionaires trying to consolidate everything under their control.
Again, the fact that view Weiss's quest for neutrality as "pushing conservative viewpoints" says a lot about the way you think.
You said "editors" and when asked for examples, you move the goalposts back to owners.
So you have no examples. Thats what I thought.
You said "editors" and when asked for examples, you move the goalposts back to owners.
So you have no examples. Thats what I thought.
Are you doubting that the explicitly conservative outlets I've listed have explicitly conservative managers and editors? I stand by the Weiss and Lewis examples, but look at any conservative publication and you'll find conservative editors/management. If you want me to really list out the staff of Fox News and the Wall Street Journal and Newsmax and the New York Post or whatever I suppose I can, but it seems pointless. The issue is that if you look at a company like Sinclair they don't have an editor in the same sense a newspaper would, but they do have management that explicitly ensures their conservative viewpoint is aired. Similar with moderation of sites like X or TikTok.
The real question isn't about whether a person holds a specific job title, it's about who is making the decisions at the company regarding political stance.
The real question isn't about whether a person holds a specific job title, it's about who is making the decisions at the company regarding political stance.
First you said legacy media was being overrun by conservatives, now you have retreated to talking about traditionally conservative outlets are still conservative outlets.
Sounds like you've created a narrative in your head that has no basis in reality. Thanks for sharing, though. It was eye opening, if nothing else.
Sounds like you've created a narrative in your head that has no basis in reality. Thanks for sharing, though. It was eye opening, if nothing else.
My previous statement was "People like Ellison and Bezos are buying up traditional outlets like CBS and the Washington Post to force a more explicitly conservative viewpoint." I stand by that as absolutely true. And the same billionaires I mentioned are trying to widen their grasps with new acquisitions and mergers. Ellison's attempt at Warner Bros is a good example, but the merger of Nexstar & Tegna and purchase of E W Scripps by Sinclair is perhaps just as important. But that was one point in service of larger argument.
The end result is that the media consumed by the average person is coming under the control of an increasingly small group of people, many of whom are explicitly right wing billionaires. It is consolidation on a massive scale.
The end result is that the media consumed by the average person is coming under the control of an increasingly small group of people, many of whom are explicitly right wing billionaires. It is consolidation on a massive scale.
Rocag said:
My previous statement was "People like Ellison and Bezos are buying up traditional outlets like CBS and the Washington Post to force a more explicitly conservative viewpoint." I stand by that as absolutely true. And the same billionaires I mentioned are trying to widen their grasps with new acquisitions and mergers. Ellison's attempt at Warner Bros is a good example, but the merger of Nexstar & Tegna and purchase of E W Scripps by Sinclair is perhaps just as important. But that was one point in service of larger argument.
The end result is that the media consumed by the average person is coming under the control of an increasingly small group of people, many of whom are explicitly right wing billionaires. It is consolidation on a massive scale.
I've never seen Bezos described as an 'explicitly right wing [billionaire]' before. Bari Weiss is far from conservative too.
Is it really so far fetched that anyone just a hair to the right of you isn't conservative? Perhaps a 'neutral' viewpoint of reality is threatening, but it only should be if you think you have a truly privileged view of reality, where you know the truth hidden from everyone else.
There's a bubble here, and it's the same one that convinced pretti he was morally justified in his behavior.
Bezos and Zuckerberg have certainly shown themselves eager and willing to fall in line behind Trump, no matter what their political views are. In Bezos' case he hasn't just publicly supported and donated to Trump, he even paid $40 million for the rights to the Melania movie that has no hope of ever making that money back. And he has tried to make the Washington Post more explicitly conservative.
I suppose the best argument is that these guys support Trump and his policies without actually believing in them. But really, what's the difference?
Now your assumption is that they are attempting neutrality, but that's not really the case. For the Post and CBS recently the big news has been management killing and delaying stories that make Trump look bad. Even today there are a bunch of reports of posts critical of ICE being removed on a massive scale on Meta owned properties as well as TikTok. Similar things have happened on X as well.
TikTok blocks Epstein mentions and anti-Trump videos, users claim
I suppose the best argument is that these guys support Trump and his policies without actually believing in them. But really, what's the difference?
Now your assumption is that they are attempting neutrality, but that's not really the case. For the Post and CBS recently the big news has been management killing and delaying stories that make Trump look bad. Even today there are a bunch of reports of posts critical of ICE being removed on a massive scale on Meta owned properties as well as TikTok. Similar things have happened on X as well.
TikTok blocks Epstein mentions and anti-Trump videos, users claim
Rocag said:
Bezos and Zuckerberg have certainly shown themselves eager and willing to fall in line behind Trump, no matter what their political views are. In Bezos' case he hasn't just publicly supported and donated to Trump, he even paid $40 million for the rights to the Melania movie that has no hope of ever making that money back. And he has tried to make the Washington Post more explicitly conservative.
I suppose the best argument is that these guys support Trump and his policies without actually believing in them. But really, what's the difference?
Now your assumption is that they are attempting neutrality, but that's not really the case. For the Post and CBS recently the big news has been management killing and delaying stories that make Trump look bad. Even today there are a bunch of reports of posts critical of ICE being removed on a massive scale on Meta owned properties as well as TikTok. Similar things have happened on X as well.
That's certainly one take, though it ignores their complicity in government censorship coordinated by the Biden administration that might be a real b if it was prosecuted or utilized for conservative benefit.
Again, you live in a bubble if you imagine these guys support trump after all their organizations did to work against him in his previous admin and the Biden years. How else could this be your 'best' take?
The exact same people he is claiming are blocking negative info about trump proves their alignment with conservative are the same ones that censored info about COVID and Biden but somehow that isn't proof of their alignment with those political stances. It's really odd.
Edit: Occam's razor for Epstein. If the goods existed to get trump under Biden, it would have been leaked or prosecuted like mar a lago or Russiagate with pardons handed out. Nothingburger until you can offer anything that hasn't been know or discussed for years. Who cares about tiktok censoring it, beyond offering confirmation bias?
At best for the Zuckerberg example you can say he's willing to do whatever the person in power tells him to do.
Twitter/X is a different situation in which Musk who is explicitly pro-Trump has purchased the company so there really is no connection between what they're doing now and what they did pre-Musk. Likewise TikTok is under new ownership. So no, not the "same people".
Twitter/X is a different situation in which Musk who is explicitly pro-Trump has purchased the company so there really is no connection between what they're doing now and what they did pre-Musk. Likewise TikTok is under new ownership. So no, not the "same people".
Rocag said:
At best for the Zuckerberg example you can say he's willing to do whatever the person in power tells him to do.
Twitter/X is a different situation in which Musk who is explicitly pro-Trump has purchased the company so there really is no connection between what they're doing now and what they did pre-Musk. Likewise TikTok is under new ownership. So no, not the "same people".
We're a long way from billionaires buying stuff up to force a right wing viewpoint. I rest my case.
Edit: go check donor and bundling records too before you pat yourself on the back for zuck. I'd be surprised if what you say is accurate, as opposed to biding his time til the next d admin.
What part of Musk buying Twitter and Ellison/Oracle gaining control of TikTok convinced you of that?
Rocag said:
What part of Musk buying Twitter and Ellison/Oracle gaining control of TikTok convinced you of that?
You've ignored soros buying Audacy for some reason, I suppose. I applaud you dropping contested claims, but I'm not sure your argument is stronger for it.
AGC said:Rocag said:
What part of Musk buying Twitter and Ellison/Oracle gaining control of TikTok convinced you of that?
You've ignored soros buying Audacy for some reason, I suppose. I applaud you dropping contested claims, but I'm not sure your argument is stronger for it.
Lol i had to Google audacy
Are you highlighting your own ignorance? 2nd largest owner of radio stations in the country falling under the control of a billionaire with political a slant fits the debate perfectly.
schmendeler said:AGC said:Rocag said:
What part of Musk buying Twitter and Ellison/Oracle gaining control of TikTok convinced you of that?
You've ignored soros buying Audacy for some reason, I suppose. I applaud you dropping contested claims, but I'm not sure your argument is stronger for it.
Lol i had to Google audacy
What did dem mega donors Page and Brin tell you to think about the billionaire buying radio stations to push a liberal viewpoint, comrade commissar?
OK, that's a counter example. Still looks like the conservative billionaires own far more media producers and outlets.
To be fair, I think they were much more well known as Radio.com than Audacy. Like X vs Twitter. Whatever.
To be fair, I think they were much more well known as Radio.com than Audacy. Like X vs Twitter. Whatever.
Fenrir said:
Are you highlighting your own ignorance? 2nd largest owner of radio stations in the country falling under the control of a billionaire with political a slant fits the debate perfectly.
Sorry I didn't know about the purchase of a company with a market cap of $17 million.
I was mostly laughing that the other poster was acting like it was an acquisition in the same galaxy of import as Twitter.
schmendeler said:Fenrir said:
Are you highlighting your own ignorance? 2nd largest owner of radio stations in the country falling under the control of a billionaire with political a slant fits the debate perfectly.
Sorry I didn't know about the purchase of a company with a market cap of $17 million.
I was mostly laughing that the other poster was acting like it was an acquisition in the same galaxy of import as Twitter.
All about the goalpost moving. Soros has a history of investing in worthless things, I'm sure. Just got bored and bought radio to remember his childhood.
Edited because I have bad information unless I can find a source for it.
AGC said:schmendeler said:Fenrir said:
Are you highlighting your own ignorance? 2nd largest owner of radio stations in the country falling under the control of a billionaire with political a slant fits the debate perfectly.
Sorry I didn't know about the purchase of a company with a market cap of $17 million.
I was mostly laughing that the other poster was acting like it was an acquisition in the same galaxy of import as Twitter.
All about the goalpost moving. Soros has a history of investing in worthless things, I'm sure. Just got bored and bought radio to remember his childhood when that's how he was praised after turning Jews over to the nazis.
You're a regular font of misinformation
Factcheck:
— Auschwitz Memorial (@AuschwitzMuseum) January 6, 2025
George Soros did not help Nazis confiscate Jewish property. During the World War II, he was given a false identity to avoid Nazi persecution of Hungarian Jews. A man who was paid to pretend that he was Soros' godfather, and helped hide the then-14-year-old boy, was on…
Rocag said:
OK, that's a counter example. Still looks like the conservative billionaires own far more media producers and outlets.
To be fair, I think they were much more well known as Radio.com than Audacy. Like X vs Twitter. Whatever.
I'm not even giving you Ellison. TikTok is literally owned by a hostile foreign government and this divestment isn't their idea. It's not that he's hopping in the game all of a sudden to craft a narrative with a hostile takeover. It's open for the taking if your billionaires want it.
schmendeler said:AGC said:schmendeler said:Fenrir said:
Are you highlighting your own ignorance? 2nd largest owner of radio stations in the country falling under the control of a billionaire with political a slant fits the debate perfectly.
Sorry I didn't know about the purchase of a company with a market cap of $17 million.
I was mostly laughing that the other poster was acting like it was an acquisition in the same galaxy of import as Twitter.
All about the goalpost moving. Soros has a history of investing in worthless things, I'm sure. Just got bored and bought radio to remember his childhood when that's how he was praised after turning Jews over to the nazis.
You're a regular font of misinformationFactcheck:
— Auschwitz Memorial (@AuschwitzMuseum) January 6, 2025
George Soros did not help Nazis confiscate Jewish property. During the World War II, he was given a false identity to avoid Nazi persecution of Hungarian Jews. A man who was paid to pretend that he was Soros' godfather, and helped hide the then-14-year-old boy, was on…
If you don't mind reading a conservative rag, it's not quite as clear cut:
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-truth-about-george-soros-is-damning-enough/
My first instinct is to sympathize with the 14 year old Jewish kid trying to survive Nazi occupation rather than criticize him for not exposing himself as a Jew to the authorities, but I guess that's just me.
Criticize his later life all you want, but I'd leave that part alone.
Criticize his later life all you want, but I'd leave that part alone.
Also, he keeps clinging to Elon's purchase of X as some Ace up his narrative sleeve.
Outside of Elon removing content that was specifically critical of him personally, I'm not aware of anything that rises to the level of shadow banning or kicking people off the platform to the level of what leftist Twitter was doing to conservative voices like:
Libs of TikTok
The Former and Current President of the United States
Dr. Jay Battacharya
Dan Bongino
Charlie Kirk
Ronna McDaniel
Mark Meadows
Jim Jordan
So, once again, when Rocag says "more conservative" what he really means "less of a completely leftist echo chamber."
Outside of Elon removing content that was specifically critical of him personally, I'm not aware of anything that rises to the level of shadow banning or kicking people off the platform to the level of what leftist Twitter was doing to conservative voices like:
Libs of TikTok
The Former and Current President of the United States
Dr. Jay Battacharya
Dan Bongino
Charlie Kirk
Ronna McDaniel
Mark Meadows
Jim Jordan
So, once again, when Rocag says "more conservative" what he really means "less of a completely leftist echo chamber."
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