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In reply to PabloSerna • 1:59p, 10/13/24
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Besides the Russian Conspiracy and importation of Dem voters,
there is the issue of Dems interfering with the election using the
legal system to gang up on Trump. Here is a Senator questioning
FBI Director Wray a few months ago and you will hear a Dem
at the end calling it a "conspiracy theory".
It now appears that all Trump's appeals will be successful.

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In reply to PabloSerna • 2:00p, 10/13/24
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PabloSerna said:
It's like an echo chamber.
You ain't heard nothing yet.
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In reply to nortex97 • 10:46p, 10/13/24
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Tens of thousands of Christian's gather on the mall in DC to pray for our country:
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Tens of thousands of evangelical Christians gathered on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Saturday to pray for America's atonement and for Donald Trump's return to the White House.

Organizers of the event, billed "A Million Women," described the gathering and next month's presidential election as "a last stand moment" to save the nation from forces of darkness. For hours, the gathered masses sang worship songs, waved flags symbolizing their belief that America was founded as an explicitly Christian nation and prayed aloud for Jesus to intercede on behalf of Trump in November.

"If we don't stand now," said Grace Lin, who traveled from Los Angeles for the rally and came wearing a red "Make America Great Again" hat, "then the enemy will take over our country. If that happens, that's the end."


Praying for Jesus to help Donald Trump save the nation from the forces of darkness in order to reclaim America's explicitly Christian heritage.

I stand by my OP.

His word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path, sharper than any sword, Spirit and life, and his words do not return to him without achieving their purpose. Everything he says is God-breathed, and is useful for teaching, reproof, instruction, and correction. I have hidden his word it in my heart so that I might avoid sinning against him. One word from his mouth, proceeding as a double-edged sword, shall end all evil, and Babylon will fall. With the word of Christ dwelling richly in me, this noxious caricature of true religion (Jesus and MAGA are homies) is ridiculously absurd, except...that so many have been deluded by it (Rev. 3:1).

94chem,
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In reply to nortex97 • 8:12a, 10/14/24
nortex97 said:
Tens of thousands of Christian's gather on the mall in DC to pray for our country:
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Tens of thousands of evangelical Christians gathered on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Saturday to pray for America's atonement and for Donald Trump's return to the White House.

Organizers of the event, billed "A Million Women," described the gathering and next month's presidential election as "a last stand moment" to save the nation from forces of darkness. For hours, the gathered masses sang worship songs, waved flags symbolizing their belief that America was founded as an explicitly Christian nation and prayed aloud for Jesus to intercede on behalf of Trump in November.

"If we don't stand now," said Grace Lin, who traveled from Los Angeles for the rally and came wearing a red "Make America Great Again" hat, "then the enemy will take over our country. If that happens, that's the end."


So evangelicals are appropriating Yom Kippur now?
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In reply to 94chem • 8:43a, 10/14/24
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94chem said:



Praying for Jesus to help Donald Trump save the nation from the forces of darkness in order to reclaim America's explicitly Christian heritage.
Goodness.

What a sentence.
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8:48a, 10/14/24
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Maybe Whitmer's little skit was some sort of revenge for not being considered for Biden's replacement, after all.



It seems like it worked pretty well with Catholics, anyway.
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In reply to nortex97 • 9:04a, 10/14/24
Can't wait for your "the election was stolen" bull**** if this doesn't go the way your carefully curated propaganda is telling you.
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In reply to 94chem • 9:21a, 10/14/24
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94chem said:
nortex97 said:
Tens of thousands of Christian's gather on the mall in DC to pray for our country:
Quote:
Tens of thousands of evangelical Christians gathered on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Saturday to pray for America's atonement and for Donald Trump's return to the White House.

Organizers of the event, billed "A Million Women," described the gathering and next month's presidential election as "a last stand moment" to save the nation from forces of darkness. For hours, the gathered masses sang worship songs, waved flags symbolizing their belief that America was founded as an explicitly Christian nation and prayed aloud for Jesus to intercede on behalf of Trump in November.

"If we don't stand now," said Grace Lin, who traveled from Los Angeles for the rally and came wearing a red "Make America Great Again" hat, "then the enemy will take over our country. If that happens, that's the end."


Praying for Jesus to help Donald Trump save the nation from the forces of darkness in order to reclaim America's explicitly Christian heritage.

I stand by my OP.

His word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path, sharper than any sword, Spirit and life, and his words do not return to him without achieving their purpose. Everything he says is God-breathed, and is useful for teaching, reproof, instruction, and correction. I have hidden his word it in my heart so that I might avoid sinning against him. One word from his mouth, proceeding as a double-edged sword, shall end all evil, and Babylon will fall. With the word of Christ dwelling richly in me, this noxious caricature of true religion (Jesus and MAGA are homies) is ridiculously absurd, except...that so many have been deluded by it (Rev. 3:1).



Indeed, the drama runs high on both sides for this election. One side is "saving democracy" and the other is "battling the forces of evil".

MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIME!!!!!

Until 2026 midterms.....
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In reply to Frok • 9:46a, 10/14/24
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The side which is anti-Christian to an absurd degree is very clear:



Also, the side that is always angry, and favors the illiberal suppression of speech, political and religious alike. Denial of human individualism, and equity in outcomes is a primary tenet of Marxism and reflects what their core values are.
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In reply to Frok • 9:48a, 10/14/24
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Frok said:
94chem said:
nortex97 said:
Tens of thousands of Christian's gather on the mall in DC to pray for our country:
Quote:
Tens of thousands of evangelical Christians gathered on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Saturday to pray for America's atonement and for Donald Trump's return to the White House.

Organizers of the event, billed "A Million Women," described the gathering and next month's presidential election as "a last stand moment" to save the nation from forces of darkness. For hours, the gathered masses sang worship songs, waved flags symbolizing their belief that America was founded as an explicitly Christian nation and prayed aloud for Jesus to intercede on behalf of Trump in November.

"If we don't stand now," said Grace Lin, who traveled from Los Angeles for the rally and came wearing a red "Make America Great Again" hat, "then the enemy will take over our country. If that happens, that's the end."


Praying for Jesus to help Donald Trump save the nation from the forces of darkness in order to reclaim America's explicitly Christian heritage.

I stand by my OP.

His word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path, sharper than any sword, Spirit and life, and his words do not return to him without achieving their purpose. Everything he says is God-breathed, and is useful for teaching, reproof, instruction, and correction. I have hidden his word it in my heart so that I might avoid sinning against him. One word from his mouth, proceeding as a double-edged sword, shall end all evil, and Babylon will fall. With the word of Christ dwelling richly in me, this noxious caricature of true religion (Jesus and MAGA are homies) is ridiculously absurd, except...that so many have been deluded by it (Rev. 3:1).



Indeed, the drama runs high on both sides for this election. One side is "saving democracy" and the other is "battling the forces of evil".

MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIME!!!!!

Until 2026 midterms.....
Yep. And I am very apathetic. If DeSantis was the Repub candidate I could get fired up
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 10:01a, 10/14/24
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Sapper Redux said:
Can't wait for your "the election was stolen" bull**** if this doesn't go the way your carefully curated propaganda is telling you.
My conspiracy theory is that the right is pushing hard the narrative that Trump is ahead in every swing state and has the election in the bag. So that if Harris wins, they will say the only way it could have happened is because of fraud. "we were ahead in all the polls!"
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In reply to nortex97 • 10:05a, 10/14/24
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the idea that the Democrats are anti-Christian is such a myth. Something like 65-70% of Democrats identify as Christian. Hearing an elected Democrat openly attack Christianity is almost unheard of.

And Trump is by far the most anti-free speech president we've had in recent memory. He wants to do away with freedom of the press, imprison people for burning the flag, "open up the libel laws," he sues people for making jokes about him, and promotes violence against people for speaking out against him. He is an enemy of free speech.
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In reply to barbacoa taco • 10:07a, 10/14/24
To say nothing of threatening his political opponents and wishing to replace the entire civil service government with loyalists.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 10:10a, 10/14/24
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Sapper Redux said:
To say nothing of threatening his political opponents and wishing to replace the entire civil service government with loyalists.
Like Comey, Brennan, and Lerner?
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In reply to dermdoc • 10:16a, 10/14/24
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dermdoc said:
Frok said:
94chem said:
nortex97 said:
Tens of thousands of Christian's gather on the mall in DC to pray for our country:
Quote:
Tens of thousands of evangelical Christians gathered on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Saturday to pray for America's atonement and for Donald Trump's return to the White House.

Organizers of the event, billed "A Million Women," described the gathering and next month's presidential election as "a last stand moment" to save the nation from forces of darkness. For hours, the gathered masses sang worship songs, waved flags symbolizing their belief that America was founded as an explicitly Christian nation and prayed aloud for Jesus to intercede on behalf of Trump in November.

"If we don't stand now," said Grace Lin, who traveled from Los Angeles for the rally and came wearing a red "Make America Great Again" hat, "then the enemy will take over our country. If that happens, that's the end."


Praying for Jesus to help Donald Trump save the nation from the forces of darkness in order to reclaim America's explicitly Christian heritage.

I stand by my OP.

His word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path, sharper than any sword, Spirit and life, and his words do not return to him without achieving their purpose. Everything he says is God-breathed, and is useful for teaching, reproof, instruction, and correction. I have hidden his word it in my heart so that I might avoid sinning against him. One word from his mouth, proceeding as a double-edged sword, shall end all evil, and Babylon will fall. With the word of Christ dwelling richly in me, this noxious caricature of true religion (Jesus and MAGA are homies) is ridiculously absurd, except...that so many have been deluded by it (Rev. 3:1).



Indeed, the drama runs high on both sides for this election. One side is "saving democracy" and the other is "battling the forces of evil".

MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIME!!!!!

Until 2026 midterms.....
Yep. And I am very apathetic. If DeSantis was the Repub candidate I could get fired up


I'm not apathetic, I am very strongly opinionated that Trump is the better candidate. But it's funny if you take a step back and look at all of us.

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In reply to Frok • 10:20a, 10/14/24
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Frok said:
dermdoc said:
Frok said:
94chem said:
nortex97 said:
Tens of thousands of Christian's gather on the mall in DC to pray for our country:
Quote:
Tens of thousands of evangelical Christians gathered on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on Saturday to pray for America's atonement and for Donald Trump's return to the White House.

Organizers of the event, billed "A Million Women," described the gathering and next month's presidential election as "a last stand moment" to save the nation from forces of darkness. For hours, the gathered masses sang worship songs, waved flags symbolizing their belief that America was founded as an explicitly Christian nation and prayed aloud for Jesus to intercede on behalf of Trump in November.

"If we don't stand now," said Grace Lin, who traveled from Los Angeles for the rally and came wearing a red "Make America Great Again" hat, "then the enemy will take over our country. If that happens, that's the end."


Praying for Jesus to help Donald Trump save the nation from the forces of darkness in order to reclaim America's explicitly Christian heritage.

I stand by my OP.

His word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path, sharper than any sword, Spirit and life, and his words do not return to him without achieving their purpose. Everything he says is God-breathed, and is useful for teaching, reproof, instruction, and correction. I have hidden his word it in my heart so that I might avoid sinning against him. One word from his mouth, proceeding as a double-edged sword, shall end all evil, and Babylon will fall. With the word of Christ dwelling richly in me, this noxious caricature of true religion (Jesus and MAGA are homies) is ridiculously absurd, except...that so many have been deluded by it (Rev. 3:1).



Indeed, the drama runs high on both sides for this election. One side is "saving democracy" and the other is "battling the forces of evil".

MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIME!!!!!

Until 2026 midterms.....
Yep. And I am very apathetic. If DeSantis was the Repub candidate I could get fired up


I'm not apathetic, I am very strongly opinionated that Trump is the better candidate. But it's funny if you take a step back and look at all of us.

Oh, I will vote for Trump. Just tired of all the created drama. God is in control. The world and the US will not end if a particular candidate wins.
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In reply to dermdoc • 10:31a, 10/14/24
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Sapper Redux said:
To say nothing of threatening his political opponents and wishing to replace the entire civil service government with loyalists.
Like Comey, Brennan, and Lerner?


So perceptions of bias (rather than ever wondering if there are legitimate concerns) about three people justifies stacking the entire government with loyalists and declaring you want to jail political opponents?
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In reply to barbacoa taco • 10:36a, 10/14/24
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94chem said:



Praying for Jesus to help Donald Trump save the nation from the forces of darkness in order to reclaim America's explicitly Christian heritage.
Goodness.

What a sentence.
Their words, not mine, correct?
94chem,
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11:06a, 10/14/24
Praying for Trump to win Harris is literally the devil
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In reply to barbacoa taco • 11:08a, 10/14/24
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the idea that the Democrats are anti-Christian is such a myth. Something like 65-70% of Democrats identify as Christian. Hearing an elected Democrat openly attack Christianity is almost unheard of.

And Trump is by far the most anti-free speech president we've had in recent memory. He wants to do away with freedom of the press, imprison people for burning the flag, "open up the libel laws," he sues people for making jokes about him, and promotes violence against people for speaking out against him. He is an enemy of free speech.


Weird because in his first presidency he didnt do any of that he had the house and senate
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In reply to Tswizsle • 11:50a, 10/14/24
So it's okay to elect someone who calls for the dismantling of American government and our rights as long as someone or something stops them from going through with it?
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12:02p, 10/14/24
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Franklin Graham makes it clear:
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Evangelist Franklin Graham took aim at Vice President Kamala Harris in a recent statement to Premier Christian News, going as far as to say Harris' policy positions are "anti-Christ."

Graham, who is the son of famed evangelist Billy Graham, is the president and CEO of Samaritan's Purse and of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA). He is also a long-time supporter of former President Donald Trump.
Even threatening legal action against false claims/groups:
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"Maybe they don't know that my father appreciated the conservative values and policies of President @realDonaldTrump in 2016, and if he were alive today, my father's views and opinions would not have changed," he added.

The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association is now threatening legal action against Evangelicals for Harris for its "unauthorized, political use of BGEA's copyrighted video."

"These people don't have integrity. They are trying to make it look like my father would have supported Vice President Harris," Franklin Graham said of Evangelicals for Harris. "My father was a strong conservative all of his life, theologically as well as politically."
Wallnau and the '7 mountain mandate:' (caution, possible fake news source, being CBS).

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Wallnau leads the so-called "Courage Tour," a roving event that targets key battleground counties across the country with a blend of religious and political activism. The events encourage attendees not only to get out the vote, but to sign up to be election workers and poll watchers.

His efforts fit into an idea he popularized that calls on Christians to achieve religious and political dominion. He calls it the "Seven Mountain Mandate," referring to government, family, religion, arts and entertainment, media, education and business. Once a fringe belief, it's become a popular refrain that blends religious and political messages, says Matthew Taylor, an author and religious scholar.

Wallnau is trying to recruit pro-Trump evangelicals willing to look beyond the former president's past conduct and instead focus on his views about abortion, gender issues and Israel.
"You are literally seeing two sets of values and worldviews on display," said Joshua Standifer, one of the speakers on the Courage Tour who runs Lion of Judah, a group that recruits evangelicals to become poll workers and watchers. "And it just so happens, one naturally aligns more to what we believe right now at this moment."
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Wallnau described what he sees as the multitude of forces arrayed against the former president.
"[Trump]'s like Samson. He's got his hands between two pillars," Wallnau explained. "He's virtually up against academia, media, government, the intelligence communities, and to an extent, a whole lot of corporate businesses."
But Wallnau is betting that he can channel the hyper-focused Christian political energy that he is fueling toward overcoming those obstacles.
"The tendency to just look at elections, pray about them, eat popcorn, watch the result, and then go to bed is over," said Wallnau. "Christians as believers probably should be engaged in this process of shaping culture far more aggressively and intentionally from now on because it's being shaped without them."
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4:09p, 10/14/24
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Yet it looks like Trump has a good chance to win and AGAIN show the Dems that Pubs are not the national socialists/fascists so often claimed by desperate politicians.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 9:33a, 10/15/24
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So it's okay to elect someone who calls for the dismantling of American government and our rights as long as someone or something stops them from going through with it?



What piece of legislation did trump propose or pass that stripped rights ? Ill hang up and listen
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In reply to Tswizsle • 9:40a, 10/15/24
Tswizsle said:
Sapper Redux said:
So it's okay to elect someone who calls for the dismantling of American government and our rights as long as someone or something stops them from going through with it?



What piece of legislation did trump propose or pass that stripped rights ? Ill hang up and listen


Off the top of my head with zero effort: stripping birthright citizenship. In this current campaign he's clearly advocating political violence and violating the Posse Comitatus Act to conduct massive deportation raids.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 9:50a, 10/15/24
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Sapper Redux said:
Tswizsle said:
Sapper Redux said:
So it's okay to elect someone who calls for the dismantling of American government and our rights as long as someone or something stops them from going through with it?



What piece of legislation did trump propose or pass that stripped rights ? Ill hang up and listen


Off the top of my head with zero effort: stripping birthright citizenship. In this current campaign he's clearly advocating political violence and violating the Posse Comitatus Act to conduct massive deportation raids.


You can't strip rights people don't have; there's a difference between revoking future rights and removing present ones.
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In reply to AGC • 10:02a, 10/15/24
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AGC said:
Sapper Redux said:
Tswizsle said:
Sapper Redux said:
So it's okay to elect someone who calls for the dismantling of American government and our rights as long as someone or something stops them from going through with it?



What piece of legislation did trump propose or pass that stripped rights ? Ill hang up and listen


Off the top of my head with zero effort: stripping birthright citizenship. In this current campaign he's clearly advocating political violence and violating the Posse Comitatus Act to conduct massive deportation raids.


You can't strip rights people don't have; there's a difference between revoking future rights and removing present ones.


Yep. It is pretty clear what the dem motives are.
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In reply to AGC • 10:38a, 10/15/24
AGC said:
Sapper Redux said:
Tswizsle said:
Sapper Redux said:
So it's okay to elect someone who calls for the dismantling of American government and our rights as long as someone or something stops them from going through with it?



What piece of legislation did trump propose or pass that stripped rights ? Ill hang up and listen


Off the top of my head with zero effort: stripping birthright citizenship. In this current campaign he's clearly advocating political violence and violating the Posse Comitatus Act to conduct massive deportation raids.


You can't strip rights people don't have; there's a difference between revoking future rights and removing present ones.


Ah, so now we're going further down the road of equivocation and justification. Birthright citizenship has been in place since Reconstruction. The only reason to try and strip it away is xenophobia.

Trump has stated he wants to use the Insurrection Act against protesters. He's attacked the freedom of the press. His plan to use the baldly bad Enemy Aliens Act is almost certainly illegal even by that law's low standards and mass immigration raids almost always sweep up legal citizens whose rights are immediately violated.

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In reply to Sapper Redux • 10:44a, 10/15/24
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Sapper Redux said:
AGC said:
Sapper Redux said:
Tswizsle said:
Sapper Redux said:
So it's okay to elect someone who calls for the dismantling of American government and our rights as long as someone or something stops them from going through with it?



What piece of legislation did trump propose or pass that stripped rights ? Ill hang up and listen


Off the top of my head with zero effort: stripping birthright citizenship. In this current campaign he's clearly advocating political violence and violating the Posse Comitatus Act to conduct massive deportation raids.


You can't strip rights people don't have; there's a difference between revoking future rights and removing present ones.


Ah, so now we're going further down the road of equivocation and justification. Birthright citizenship has been in place since Reconstruction. The only reason to try and strip it away is xenophobia.

Trump has stated he wants to use the Insurrection Act against protesters. He's attacked the freedom of the press. His plan to use the baldly bad Enemy Aliens Act is almost certainly illegal even by that law's low standards and mass immigration raids almost always sweep up legal citizens whose rights are immediately violated.



You said rights were going to be stripped. I pointed out that those who have them will keep them. Past legislatures can't bind future ones. You've read something into perpetuity that doesn't exist and are reduced to making bad faith arguments ("the only reason…").

Offer something honest and true instead of repeating Pravda and we'll be happy to engage.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 10:55a, 10/15/24
Sapper Redux said:
Tswizsle said:
Sapper Redux said:
So it's okay to elect someone who calls for the dismantling of American government and our rights as long as someone or something stops them from going through with it?



What piece of legislation did trump propose or pass that stripped rights ? Ill hang up and listen


Off the top of my head with zero effort: stripping birthright citizenship. In this current campaign he's clearly advocating political violence and violating the Posse Comitatus Act to conduct massive deportation raids.
again, did he propose this in formal legislation you are reaching here? Also, you realize we have a process to change the constitution if they were to even pass it's within the frame of the constitution not sure how that is stripping rights?

Also, if you are here illegally you are subject to deportation at any time that's not some violation of muh rights.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 11:26a, 10/15/24
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Sapper Redux said:
AGC said:
Sapper Redux said:
Tswizsle said:
Sapper Redux said:
So it's okay to elect someone who calls for the dismantling of American government and our rights as long as someone or something stops them from going through with it?



What piece of legislation did trump propose or pass that stripped rights ? Ill hang up and listen


Off the top of my head with zero effort: stripping birthright citizenship. In this current campaign he's clearly advocating political violence and violating the Posse Comitatus Act to conduct massive deportation raids.


You can't strip rights people don't have; there's a difference between revoking future rights and removing present ones.


Ah, so now we're going further down the road of equivocation and justification. Birthright citizenship has been in place since Reconstruction. The only reason to try and strip it away is xenophobia.

Trump has stated he wants to use the Insurrection Act against protesters. He's attacked the freedom of the press. His plan to use the baldly bad Enemy Aliens Act is almost certainly illegal even by that law's low standards and mass immigration raids almost always sweep up legal citizens whose rights are immediately violated.

It is not xenophobic to oppose a political party not enforcing immigration laws to birth future voters. And I think it is obvious since the dems do not appear to want the illegal immigrants in their backyard, that is their motive.

Actually since xenophobia is the fear or dislike of people from other countries, I would say it is the dems who have an aversion to the immigrants more than any other group.
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In reply to Rongagin71 • 11:31a, 10/15/24
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Yet it looks like Trump has a good chance to win and AGAIN show the Dems that Pubs are not the national socialists/fascists so often claimed by desperate politicians.
While Trump and Vance and those in their circle are openly fascist and cruel, Kamala is shooting herself in the foot by trying too hard to appeal to Republicans and getting cozy with warmongers. In addition to failing to distance herself from Biden on Israel. Basically she's pushing the message that she's kinda Republican too but she's cool with the gays and stuff.

as someone who doesn't love Kamala but still wants her to win, it's really frustrating to watch. I sometimes wonder what Democratic strategists even do. Her populist message of supporting workers and addressing issues for the middle class was effective. Her message of "see, the Cheneys like me!" is not.
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Rongagin71 said:
Yet it looks like Trump has a good chance to win and AGAIN show the Dems that Pubs are not the national socialists/fascists so often claimed by desperate politicians.
While Trump and Vance and those in their circle are openly fascist and cruel, Kamala is shooting herself in the foot by trying too hard to appeal to Republicans and getting cozy with warmongers. In addition to failing to distance herself from Biden on Israel. Basically she's pushing the message that she's kinda Republican too but she's cool with the gays and stuff.

as someone who doesn't love Kamala but still wants her to win, it's really frustrating to watch. I sometimes wonder what Democratic strategists even do. Her populist message of supporting workers and addressing issues for the middle class was effective. Her message of "see, the Cheneys like me!" is not.
Have you ever thought that maybe your views are in the minority and she wants to win?
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Sapper Redux said:
So it's okay to elect someone who calls for the dismantling of American government and our rights as long as someone or something stops them from going through with it?



What piece of legislation did trump propose or pass that stripped rights ? Ill hang up and listen
Wrong framing. It's not just legislation. It's the judges he appoints, the cabinet he appoints, and his allies in the states all pushing his agenda. In addition to the rollback of reproductive rights, his agenda has been horrific for voting rights and labor rights. And a second term would undoubtedly make things worse, given he has every intention of only appointing yes men to his cabinet.
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I will always believe a populist message that appeals to real working people is much more effective than virtue signaling and kum bay ya ***** It's why Hillary lost. I am still convinced that Bernie would have beaten Trump in 2016.

Dick Cheney is responsible for so much carnage and suffering. Don't align with him. Just thank him for his endorsement and move on.
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