I did it with my parents for years. But everybody has to grow up and assume responsibility.unkess you are a leftist.88Warrior said:
Sure is easy spending other people's money…..
dermdoc said:I did it with my parents for years. But everybody has to grow up and assume responsibility.unkess you are a leftist.88Warrior said:
Sure is easy spending other people's money…..
88Warrior said:dermdoc said:I did it with my parents for years. But everybody has to grow up and assume responsibility.unkess you are a leftist.88Warrior said:
Sure is easy spending other people's money…..
No doubt! I get tired of all the "fair share" talk when over half of the citizens don't pay any income tax ….imho everyone has to have some skin in the game…hence the "easy spending other people's money" statement…
So that is a lot of words to say you don't care because it is others people money. And I think if Texas has a 32 million dollar surplus then actual tax payers should have their rates lowered. It is their earned money (property) to use as they want.barbacoa taco said:
The "how we gonna pay for it" line doesn't work anymore. Because those who say it have no problem with it when it benefits them or furthers their agenda. Such as Medicare, ppp loan forgiveness, sending weapons to Israel, bailing out banks. Because when the ruling class gets social benefits, they use it to pay themselves first.
It's only when we use the money we have to benefit others, that you start asking about who's gonna pay for what. Like expanded Medicaid, teacher pay raises, funding the foster program, parental leave, etc
Like I said before, Texas had a $32 billion surplus last year. We have the money to do a lot of these things. We just actively choose not to, because our leaders do not care about anyone but themselves and their buddies.
If you're rich and you get something from the government, you earned it. If you're poor and ask for it, you're entitled.
Why don't we use this money? I have a theory. It's because if we do, people will realize that we don't have to do it the old way anymore. And why would our leaders want that? They are very comfortable and happy right now. Including you.
Fine then. Government serves a purpose. It isn't to give everyone everything they want. It's what is laid out in the preamble to the constitution, such as to promote the general welfare. I'm guessing you don't think about a lot of the problems I've mentioned because they don't affect you. I'm largely unaffected by lots of them too, but I have seen a government that only exists to serve the ruling class, and I'm quite tired of it.dermdoc said:So that is a lot of words to say you don't care because it is others people money. And I think if Texas has a 32 million dollar surplus then actual tax payers should have their rates lowered. It is their earned money (property) to use as they want.barbacoa taco said:
The "how we gonna pay for it" line doesn't work anymore. Because those who say it have no problem with it when it benefits them or furthers their agenda. Such as Medicare, ppp loan forgiveness, sending weapons to Israel, bailing out banks. Because when the ruling class gets social benefits, they use it to pay themselves first.
It's only when we use the money we have to benefit others, that you start asking about who's gonna pay for what. Like expanded Medicaid, teacher pay raises, funding the foster program, parental leave, etc
Like I said before, Texas had a $32 billion surplus last year. We have the money to do a lot of these things. We just actively choose not to, because our leaders do not care about anyone but themselves and their buddies.
If you're rich and you get something from the government, you earned it. If you're poor and ask for it, you're entitled.
Why don't we use this money? I have a theory. It's because if we do, people will realize that we don't have to do it the old way anymore. And why would our leaders want that? They are very comfortable and happy right now. Including you.
And in my opinion, it is not my place or yours, to force them to use their earned income a specific way.
The government does not make money. It only takes and spends it.
Edited to add Israel is our ally. Hamas is not. And they just executed 6 people, including 1 American. And Hamas is who Gaza elected as their government.
Your statement of support for Gaza further reveals your naivete. I am done.
dermdoc said:So that is a lot of words to say you don't care because it is others people money. And I think if Texas has a 32 million dollar surplus then actual tax payers should have their rates lowered. It is their earned money (property) to use as they want.barbacoa taco said:
The "how we gonna pay for it" line doesn't work anymore. Because those who say it have no problem with it when it benefits them or furthers their agenda. Such as Medicare, ppp loan forgiveness, sending weapons to Israel, bailing out banks. Because when the ruling class gets social benefits, they use it to pay themselves first.
It's only when we use the money we have to benefit others, that you start asking about who's gonna pay for what. Like expanded Medicaid, teacher pay raises, funding the foster program, parental leave, etc
Like I said before, Texas had a $32 billion surplus last year. We have the money to do a lot of these things. We just actively choose not to, because our leaders do not care about anyone but themselves and their buddies.
If you're rich and you get something from the government, you earned it. If you're poor and ask for it, you're entitled.
Why don't we use this money? I have a theory. It's because if we do, people will realize that we don't have to do it the old way anymore. And why would our leaders want that? They are very comfortable and happy right now. Including you.
And in my opinion, it is not my place or yours, to force them to use their earned income a specific way.
The government does not make money. It only takes and spends it.
Edited to add Israel is our ally. Hamas is not. And they just executed 6 people, including 1 American. And Hamas is who Gaza elected as their government.
Your statement of support for Gaza further reveals your naivete. I am done.
I get it. I understand that not all Germans were Nazis. It is an incredibly complicated situation and I have compassion for the Palestinians. But there is plenty of evidence the Palestinians bring up their kids to hate Jews. And they either voted or allowed Hamas to take control.Macarthur said:dermdoc said:So that is a lot of words to say you don't care because it is others people money. And I think if Texas has a 32 million dollar surplus then actual tax payers should have their rates lowered. It is their earned money (property) to use as they want.barbacoa taco said:
The "how we gonna pay for it" line doesn't work anymore. Because those who say it have no problem with it when it benefits them or furthers their agenda. Such as Medicare, ppp loan forgiveness, sending weapons to Israel, bailing out banks. Because when the ruling class gets social benefits, they use it to pay themselves first.
It's only when we use the money we have to benefit others, that you start asking about who's gonna pay for what. Like expanded Medicaid, teacher pay raises, funding the foster program, parental leave, etc
Like I said before, Texas had a $32 billion surplus last year. We have the money to do a lot of these things. We just actively choose not to, because our leaders do not care about anyone but themselves and their buddies.
If you're rich and you get something from the government, you earned it. If you're poor and ask for it, you're entitled.
Why don't we use this money? I have a theory. It's because if we do, people will realize that we don't have to do it the old way anymore. And why would our leaders want that? They are very comfortable and happy right now. Including you.
And in my opinion, it is not my place or yours, to force them to use their earned income a specific way.
The government does not make money. It only takes and spends it.
Edited to add Israel is our ally. Hamas is not. And they just executed 6 people, including 1 American. And Hamas is who Gaza elected as their government.
Your statement of support for Gaza further reveals your naivete. I am done.
I would argue that your inability or unwillingness to separate Palestinians from Hamas is either naive or willfully ignorant.
Is Hamas in Gaza?barbacoa taco said:
a lot of people are either unwilling or unable to do that. If I say my opinion on why people think this way, I'll get banned. But the current conflict has revealed a lot of people's character. There have been a number of threads on F16 in the past year complaining about "Hamas supporters" on campus, when it's really just students protesting or standing in solidarity with Palestinians.
What floors me about derm is he criticized me for "support of Gaza" as if that's a bad thing.
Sure. Rules of war. I am against any atrocities.Macarthur said:
So, you do know that the election was almost 20 years ago? more than half of the population of Gaza wasn't alive when that 'election' took place. I use the term election in quotes for a reason. I think you know why.
Do you feel that there should be any limits on Israel?
Agree.Macarthur said:
As am I.
But that does not give Israel a blank check to destroy an entire population.
this statement also has suffrage problems in a democratic system.Quote:
I have seen a government that only exists to serve the ruling class, and I'm quite tired of it.
You are correct. I am done,Zobel said:this statement also has suffrage problems in a democratic system.Quote:
I have seen a government that only exists to serve the ruling class, and I'm quite tired of it.
there's only a few options here.
- the voters are voting with their own interests, in which case the system generally reflects their wishes
- the voters are actively voting against their own interests, in which case they are incompetent
- the voters will is not reflected in the outcomes of the system, which means the system must be changed
but barbacoa is making none of these arguments. it's a muddled shadowy cabal doing all of these things, and sort of implies people like me and derm are part of this "ruling class" and everyone else is just... i dont know what they're doing. either idiots or ineffective. and rich people get their money by stealing it from the poor, and hoard it in cash buried in their back yards where it doesn't befit anyone. again. why engage with such facile reasoning?
ding ding ding. you hit the nail on the head. all three of these things are true. especially #3.Zobel said:this statement also has suffrage problems in a democratic system.Quote:
I have seen a government that only exists to serve the ruling class, and I'm quite tired of it.
there's only a few options here.
- the voters are voting with their own interests, in which case the system generally reflects their wishes
- the voters are actively voting against their own interests, in which case they are incompetent
- the voters will is not reflected in the outcomes of the system, which means the system must be changed
You kept drawing me back in.barbacoa taco said:
you've said that a few times. I'm not sure if you're done because arguing for 20 pages is tiresome (which I understand) or because you're offended by a statement I made. but in any event, maybe this thread has run its course.
Macarthur said:
As am I.
But that does not give Israel a blank check to destroy an entire population.
barbacoa taco said:
a lot of people are either unwilling or unable to do that. If I say my opinion on why people think this way, I'll get banned. But the current conflict has revealed a lot of people's character. There have been a number of threads on F16 in the past year complaining about "Hamas supporters" on campus, when it's really just students protesting or standing in solidarity with Palestinians.
What floors me about derm is he criticized me for "support of Gaza" as if that's a bad thing.
How about if Israel "takes out" roughly ten enemies for every missile shot at Israel.Macarthur said:
As am I.
But that does not give Israel a blank check to destroy an entire population.
Rocag said:[Citation needed]Silent For Too Long said:Quote:no she didnt. WTF are you talking about?Quote:
she provoked the war in Russia,
Diplomatic efforts were underway to avoid war and Kamala's orders from the Biden administration were to encourage the war at all costs. Because just like the Neocons, the DNC is the military industrial complexes *****.
Barb has made several references to how Texas might spend its "surplus"barbacoa taco said:ding ding ding. you hit the nail on the head. all three of these things are true. especially #3.Zobel said:this statement also has suffrage problems in a democratic system.Quote:
I have seen a government that only exists to serve the ruling class, and I'm quite tired of it.
there's only a few options here.
- the voters are voting with their own interests, in which case the system generally reflects their wishes
- the voters are actively voting against their own interests, in which case they are incompetent
- the voters will is not reflected in the outcomes of the system, which means the system must be changed
I thought we didn't agree on much, but it looks like we do.
who? the current students at A&M? if so, citation needed. Using examples of bad protestors was always a dumb weak argument. The vast majority of them were protesting the Israeli government has done, and anyone who equates that with antisemitism is either stupid or intellectually dishonest. That accusation does not land anymore.Silent For Too Long said:barbacoa taco said:
a lot of people are either unwilling or unable to do that. If I say my opinion on why people think this way, I'll get banned. But the current conflict has revealed a lot of people's character. There have been a number of threads on F16 in the past year complaining about "Hamas supporters" on campus, when it's really just students protesting or standing in solidarity with Palestinians.
What floors me about derm is he criticized me for "support of Gaza" as if that's a bad thing.
Is that why they are harassing Jews and spouting rabid anti-semitism?
This is a troubling statement. It's essentially moving the goalposts, implying that nuking and complete extermination (i.e. the most extreme response) is the only true form of genocide.Silent For Too Long said:Macarthur said:
As am I.
But that does not give Israel a blank check to destroy an entire population.
If they wanted to destroy an entire population, they would have done so on October 8th.
sadly I think for many they do see it as part of BOTH Christianity and patriotism, i.e. Christian nationalism. I think this is the basis for evangelicals' stalwart support of Israel.Quo Vadis? said:
The American love affair with Israel has got to stop. It's almost entirely a product of dispensationalism and the Scofield Bible, and has no place within Christianity or patriotism.
