Why does that matter?Macarthur said:Silent For Too Long said:
Rereading the thread and I just caught Taco saying Kamala is "Center Left".
I don't know what purpose it serves arguing with someone who is that divorced from reality. Brain washing is real.
It's true. What passes as far left in America is laughably centrist for the rest of the world.
dermdoc said:You did not. I projected. Just call me conservative barbacoa taco.Aggrad08 said:
Where did I say that?
Have a great night. And God created me and made me what I am.Aggrad08 said:dermdoc said:You did not. I projected. Just call me conservative barbacoa taco.Aggrad08 said:
Where did I say that?
You'll be who you want to be I guess. I tried I'm done
Aggrad08 said:Zobel said:
What is your obsession with this idea of oppression?
Because that's what anti Christian actually looks like.
It's true. The Overton Window of American politics has always been toward the right.Silent For Too Long said:
Rereading the thread and I just caught Taco saying Kamala is "Center Left".
I don't know what purpose it serves arguing with someone who is that divorced from reality. Brain washing is real.
you can admit that my handle at least makes you hungrydermdoc said:You did not. I projected. Just call me conservative barbacoa taco.Aggrad08 said:
Where did I say that?
I don't think Aggrad was trying to do that and I certainly was not. My whole point in my lenghty back and forth with you was to show that Christian nationalism (which is separate from Christianity) is a flawed and dangerous ideology.dermdoc said:Have a great night. And God created me and made me what I am.Aggrad08 said:dermdoc said:You did not. I projected. Just call me conservative barbacoa taco.Aggrad08 said:
Where did I say that?
You'll be who you want to be I guess. I tried I'm done
And if you are trying to turn me into a liberal or atheist, it will not happen.
So is far left ideology.barbacoa taco said:I don't think Aggrad was trying to do that and I certainly was not. My whole point in my lenghty back and forth with you was to show that Christian nationalism (which is separate from Christianity) is a flawed and dangerous ideology.dermdoc said:Have a great night. And God created me and made me what I am.Aggrad08 said:dermdoc said:You did not. I projected. Just call me conservative barbacoa taco.Aggrad08 said:
Where did I say that?
You'll be who you want to be I guess. I tried I'm done
And if you are trying to turn me into a liberal or atheist, it will not happen.
Macarthur said:
I would agree. I suspect our difference is what each of us consider far left.
dermdoc said:Macarthur said:
I would agree. I suspect our difference is what each of us consider far left.
Kind of like our difference of what we think Christian nationalism is.
Harris's economic policies, which I think are pretty far left (price controls on food supply chain and possibly other industries, wealth redistribution, etc.).Sapper Redux said:dermdoc said:Macarthur said:
I would agree. I suspect our difference is what each of us consider far left.
Kind of like our difference of what we think Christian nationalism is.
Thing is, there are definitions of these terms and one doesn't have to meet them all to broadly fit the definition. Harris doesn't fit any standard definition of "far left." She'd be considered VERY normy center-left in any other country (and by most Americans). Christian Nationalism is a bit more contested, but there are still basic principles. What I see more arguing about here is the impact of Christian nationalism on everyone, especially non-Christians, rather than the term itself.
Agree it gives perspective. Does not mean those "new" views are in line with the way I identify as a Christian conservative. As Christians we are called not to think like the world.barbacoa taco said:
I was mainly making the point to Silent that once you get out of the this bubble of Texas A&M former students, or rural Texas, or all of Texas, it gives some perspective.
For example, I'm sure some people would call me far left for wanting the Trump tax cuts to expire and for the marginal tax rates of high income earners and major corporations to go back up to what they once were. Some would probably call that communism, when in reality it's just going back to what it was before Trump was in office. And by all accounts it's still very much a conservative model.
By that same account, there's been a push by Christian Nationalists to put the Ten Commandments in every school classroom at every level in the state (already happened in LA). Despite the fact that it is blatantly unconstitutional. Yet here we are hearing the accusations of Christian oppression for not wanting that to happen (not from you, from others).
I think Harris meets the definition of Far Left as used by Republicans but according to Andy Ngo she has not followed the Most Far Left in allaying with terrorist organizations like HAMAS.Sapper Redux said:dermdoc said:Macarthur said:
I would agree. I suspect our difference is what each of us consider far left.
Kind of like our difference of what we think Christian nationalism is.
Thing is, there are definitions of these terms and one doesn't have to meet them all to broadly fit the definition. Harris doesn't fit any standard definition of "far left." She'd be considered VERY normy center-left in any other country (and by most Americans). Christian Nationalism is a bit more contested, but there are still basic principles. What I see more arguing about here is the impact of Christian nationalism on everyone, especially non-Christians, rather than the term itself.
Rongagin71 said:
I think Harris meets the definition of Far Left as used by Republicans . . . .
She was Far Something, not really part of a defined group other than Lesbian.kurt vonnegut said:Rongagin71 said:
I think Harris meets the definition of Far Left as used by Republicans . . . .
Liz Cheney meets the definition of Far Left as used by Republicans.
Jabin said:
Kurt, let's take this another direction. Do you think that Muslims should be allowed to conduct honor killings or Hindus to practice sati here in the US? Why or why not?
Sapper Redux said:dermdoc said:Macarthur said:
I would agree. I suspect our difference is what each of us consider far left.
Kind of like our difference of what we think Christian nationalism is.
Thing is, there are definitions of these terms and one doesn't have to meet them all to broadly fit the definition. Harris doesn't fit any standard definition of "far left." She'd be considered VERY normy center-left in any other country (and by most Americans). Christian Nationalism is a bit more contested, but there are still basic principles. What I see more arguing about here is the impact of Christian nationalism on everyone, especially non-Christians, rather than the term itself.
Silent For Too Long said:Sapper Redux said:dermdoc said:Macarthur said:
I would agree. I suspect our difference is what each of us consider far left.
Kind of like our difference of what we think Christian nationalism is.
Thing is, there are definitions of these terms and one doesn't have to meet them all to broadly fit the definition. Harris doesn't fit any standard definition of "far left." She'd be considered VERY normy center-left in any other country (and by most Americans). Christian Nationalism is a bit more contested, but there are still basic principles. What I see more arguing about here is the impact of Christian nationalism on everyone, especially non-Christians, rather than the term itself.
Yeah, the person left of Bernie Sanders is Center Left.
Great take, Sap. We believe you.
Sapper Redux said:Silent For Too Long said:Sapper Redux said:dermdoc said:Macarthur said:
I would agree. I suspect our difference is what each of us consider far left.
Kind of like our difference of what we think Christian nationalism is.
Thing is, there are definitions of these terms and one doesn't have to meet them all to broadly fit the definition. Harris doesn't fit any standard definition of "far left." She'd be considered VERY normy center-left in any other country (and by most Americans). Christian Nationalism is a bit more contested, but there are still basic principles. What I see more arguing about here is the impact of Christian nationalism on everyone, especially non-Christians, rather than the term itself.
Yeah, the person left of Bernie Sanders is Center Left.
Great take, Sap. We believe you.
Which position taken in this election is "left of Bernie Sanders"? Also, Bernie as a social democrat would not be considered "far left," but on the left.
Silent For Too Long said:
Anymore qualifiers you want to add to that try to make your point?
Relative to American politics, as in this country, as in what is relevant to this discussion, Bernie is as far left as they come...except Kamala is even further left.
dermdoc said:Sapper Redux said:Silent For Too Long said:Sapper Redux said:dermdoc said:Macarthur said:
I would agree. I suspect our difference is what each of us consider far left.
Kind of like our difference of what we think Christian nationalism is.
Thing is, there are definitions of these terms and one doesn't have to meet them all to broadly fit the definition. Harris doesn't fit any standard definition of "far left." She'd be considered VERY normy center-left in any other country (and by most Americans). Christian Nationalism is a bit more contested, but there are still basic principles. What I see more arguing about here is the impact of Christian nationalism on everyone, especially non-Christians, rather than the term itself.
Yeah, the person left of Bernie Sanders is Center Left.
Great take, Sap. We believe you.
Which position taken in this election is "left of Bernie Sanders"? Also, Bernie as a social democrat would not be considered "far left," but on the left.
So are you the only one who gets to define what "far left" is?
Because I disagree.
Sapper Redux said:dermdoc said:Sapper Redux said:Silent For Too Long said:Sapper Redux said:dermdoc said:Macarthur said:
I would agree. I suspect our difference is what each of us consider far left.
Kind of like our difference of what we think Christian nationalism is.
Thing is, there are definitions of these terms and one doesn't have to meet them all to broadly fit the definition. Harris doesn't fit any standard definition of "far left." She'd be considered VERY normy center-left in any other country (and by most Americans). Christian Nationalism is a bit more contested, but there are still basic principles. What I see more arguing about here is the impact of Christian nationalism on everyone, especially non-Christians, rather than the term itself.
Yeah, the person left of Bernie Sanders is Center Left.
Great take, Sap. We believe you.
Which position taken in this election is "left of Bernie Sanders"? Also, Bernie as a social democrat would not be considered "far left," but on the left.
So are you the only one who gets to define what "far left" is?
Because I disagree.
Do you know what the actual philosophical beliefs of communism are? Not what the Heritage Foundation claims communism is, but what it's actual ideology consists of?
88Warrior said:Sapper Redux said:dermdoc said:Sapper Redux said:Silent For Too Long said:Sapper Redux said:dermdoc said:Macarthur said:
I would agree. I suspect our difference is what each of us consider far left.
Kind of like our difference of what we think Christian nationalism is.
Thing is, there are definitions of these terms and one doesn't have to meet them all to broadly fit the definition. Harris doesn't fit any standard definition of "far left." She'd be considered VERY normy center-left in any other country (and by most Americans). Christian Nationalism is a bit more contested, but there are still basic principles. What I see more arguing about here is the impact of Christian nationalism on everyone, especially non-Christians, rather than the term itself.
Yeah, the person left of Bernie Sanders is Center Left.
Great take, Sap. We believe you.
Which position taken in this election is "left of Bernie Sanders"? Also, Bernie as a social democrat would not be considered "far left," but on the left.
So are you the only one who gets to define what "far left" is?
Because I disagree.
Do you know what the actual philosophical beliefs of communism are? Not what the Heritage Foundation claims communism is, but what it's actual ideology consists of?
We don't need the Heritage Foundation, you or anyone else telling us what communism is when we've seen it in action beginning in 1917ish…
Rongagin71 said:
When Marx originally formulated communism he meant communes (plantations) with the possibility of cities sending their poor/laborers out to lead productive lives on these large farms.
But farming tools, crop quality, roads, warehouses, refrigeration, etc, etc have made this idea as past tense as the idea of using slaves to produce crops.
Communism these days is more likely to mean a socialist party that seeks to take over as the single ruling party of a country, or a very anti-American type of socialism.
Sapper Redux said:Rongagin71 said:
When Marx originally formulated communism he meant communes (plantations) with the possibility of cities sending their poor/laborers out to lead productive lives on these large farms.
But farming tools, crop quality, roads, warehouses, refrigeration, etc, etc have made this idea as past tense as the idea of using slaves to produce crops.
Communism these days is more likely to mean a socialist party that seeks to take over as the single ruling party of a country, or a very anti-American type of socialism.
There's a whole world of work on political theory that's happened between 1847 and what you think communism, or "far left," means today.
I've seen lots of Republicans repeating that line, but not once have I seen one actually compare Bernie's policies with Kamala's to defend why they think it's true. In what actual ways is she further left than Bernie?Silent For Too Long said:
Anymore qualifiers you want to add to that try to make your point?
Relative to American politics, as in this country, as in what is relevant to this discussion, Bernie is as far left as they come...except Kamala is even further left.
