God's word is clear on how Israel deal with the situation

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2:56p, 10/8/23


Numbers 33: 50 to 55

50 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying,
51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan;
52 Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:
53 And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.
54 And ye shall divide the land by lot for an inheritance among your families: and to the more ye shall give the more inheritance, and to the fewer ye shall give the less inheritance: every man's inheritance shall be in the place where his lot falleth; according to the tribes of your fathers ye shall inherit.
55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be *****s in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
56 Moreover it shall come to pass, that I shall do unto you, as I thought to do unto them.
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 3:52p, 10/8/23
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SirDippinDots said:


Numbers 33: 50 to 55

50 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying,
51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan;
52 Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:
53 And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.
54 And ye shall divide the land by lot for an inheritance among your families: and to the more ye shall give the more inheritance, and to the fewer ye shall give the less inheritance: every man's inheritance shall be in the place where his lot falleth; according to the tribes of your fathers ye shall inherit.
55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be *****s in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
56 Moreover it shall come to pass, that I shall do unto you, as I thought to do unto them.
We are under a new Covenant.

And God has been revealed through the life of Jesus Christ. Christ said love your enemies. I do not think Jesus wants any unnecessary bloodshed.
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In reply to dermdoc • 4:06p, 10/8/23
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SirDippinDots said:


Numbers 33: 50 to 55

50 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying,
51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan;
52 Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:
53 And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.
54 And ye shall divide the land by lot for an inheritance among your families: and to the more ye shall give the more inheritance, and to the fewer ye shall give the less inheritance: every man's inheritance shall be in the place where his lot falleth; according to the tribes of your fathers ye shall inherit.
55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be *****s in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
56 Moreover it shall come to pass, that I shall do unto you, as I thought to do unto them.
We are under a new Covenant.

And God has been revealed through the life of Jesus Christ. Christ said love your enemies. I do not think Jesus wants any unnecessary bloodshed.


I don't see an expiration date in the above scripture. God was quite clear and this is a very specific action to drive out the non Jews that dwelled in the land. It did not say they all had to be killed but all had to be driven out.

Now Israel is suffering from the consequences of disobedience as we all do.

But again this was a very specific command given for the Holy land. Not a general command to love or honor your parents.

You can drive them all out and show mercy by giving them warnings to flee.
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 4:09p, 10/8/23
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SirDippinDots said:
dermdoc said:
SirDippinDots said:


Numbers 33: 50 to 55

50 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying,
51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan;
52 Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:
53 And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.
54 And ye shall divide the land by lot for an inheritance among your families: and to the more ye shall give the more inheritance, and to the fewer ye shall give the less inheritance: every man's inheritance shall be in the place where his lot falleth; according to the tribes of your fathers ye shall inherit.
55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be *****s in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
56 Moreover it shall come to pass, that I shall do unto you, as I thought to do unto them.
We are under a new Covenant.

And God has been revealed through the life of Jesus Christ. Christ said love your enemies. I do not think Jesus wants any unnecessary bloodshed.


I don't see an expiration date in the above scripture. God was quite clear and this is a very specific action to drive out the non Jews that dwelled in the land. It did not say they all had to be killed but all had to be driven out.

Now Israel is suffering from the consequences of disobedience as we all do.

But again this was a very specific command given for the Holy land. Not a general command to love or honor your parents.

You can drive them all out and show mercy by giving them warnings to flee.
So did Jesus ever advocate the Jews fighting the Romans? Actually, He warned them not to.

And I did not say the Scripture expired. But all OT Scripture needs to be read and interpreted thought the lens of Jesus in my opinion.

Now, if the Jews can find a way to drive them out of their land with no bloodshed I am all for it.
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In reply to dermdoc • 4:38p, 10/8/23
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dermdoc said:
SirDippinDots said:
dermdoc said:
SirDippinDots said:


Numbers 33: 50 to 55

50 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying,
51 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan;
52 Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:
53 And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.
54 And ye shall divide the land by lot for an inheritance among your families: and to the more ye shall give the more inheritance, and to the fewer ye shall give the less inheritance: every man's inheritance shall be in the place where his lot falleth; according to the tribes of your fathers ye shall inherit.
55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be *****s in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
56 Moreover it shall come to pass, that I shall do unto you, as I thought to do unto them.
We are under a new Covenant.

And God has been revealed through the life of Jesus Christ. Christ said love your enemies. I do not think Jesus wants any unnecessary bloodshed.


I don't see an expiration date in the above scripture. God was quite clear and this is a very specific action to drive out the non Jews that dwelled in the land. It did not say they all had to be killed but all had to be driven out.

Now Israel is suffering from the consequences of disobedience as we all do.

But again this was a very specific command given for the Holy land. Not a general command to love or honor your parents.

You can drive them all out and show mercy by giving them warnings to flee.
So did Jesus ever advocate the Jews fighting the Romans? Actually, He warned them not to.

And I did not say the Scripture expired. But all OT Scripture needs to be read and interpreted thought the lends of Jesus in my opinion.

Now, if the Jews can find a way to drive them out of their land with no bloodshed I am all for it.


He also said that the greatest commandment was to love God with your entire heart and mind and that there was another one like it, which is that we should love our neighbors as ourselves. We also know who our neighbors are and that it pretty much means everyone.

I'm not suggesting Israel does not have the right to defend itself. It absolutely does. Any concept of just war doctrine would permit that Israel can defend itself from the attacks that were launched against it.
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5:31p, 10/8/23
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So you're saying that the Christian position is that Jews should commit genocide and ethnic cleansing against Palestinians including Christian Palestinians, right?

Some of y'all are absolutely nuts. Out of your minds, completely nuts.
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In reply to dermdoc • 5:32p, 10/8/23
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Now, if the Jews can find a way to drive them out of their land with no bloodshed I am all for it.
You're better than this.
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 5:51p, 10/8/23
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Joshua 21:43-45 says all the promises concerning the land were fulfilled.

And the modern nation state named Israel has no relationship whatever to the Israel of the scriptures.

This is just advocating for genocide. Stop.
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In reply to craigernaught • 5:54p, 10/8/23
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craigernaught said:
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Now, if the Jews can find a way to drive them out of their land with no bloodshed I am all for it.
You're better than this.
I was being tongue in cheek.
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In reply to dermdoc • 6:06p, 10/8/23
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dermdoc said:
craigernaught said:
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Now, if the Jews can find a way to drive them out of their land with no bloodshed I am all for it.
You're better than this.
I was being tongue in cheek.
My apologies. Tone on the internet is tough.
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6:15p, 10/8/23
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Is this a Christian Muslim extremist solidarity thread? The kind where you both agree that you are to follow the instructions of the god of the universe who by proxy wrote a book in the ancient Middle East. And that book told you to commit genocide.
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In reply to Zobel • 6:18p, 10/8/23
Zobel said:
Joshua 21:43-45 says all the promises concerning the land were fulfilled.

And the modern nation state named Israel has no relationship whatever to the Israel of the scriptures.

This is just advocating for genocide. Stop.


I did not write the scriptures. They say what they say.

Your argument is with God.

Edit: driving them out is just that. You have a total nonsense interpretation of that. If the Bible meant killing everyone it would say that but it does not. You are dishonest and willfully distorting what it says.
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 6:22p, 10/8/23
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You clearly didn't read them either.
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 6:48p, 10/8/23
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No, I'm pretty sure my disagreement is with you.
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8:07p, 10/8/23
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This is such a bad take. Even if we were in biblical times and the land belonged to the Hebrew tribes, the Bible still has this to say

Exodus 22:21 "Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt.

Leviticus 19:33 "'When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

Then again, the modern nation of Israel bears no resemblance to the biblical nation made up of associated Hebrew tribes. The modern Palestinians also are not Caananites; they are predominantly Muslim with a significant Christian minority. Nothing about God's instructions to the Bronze Age Hebrew tribes regarding the Caananites has an relevance with the modern, secular nation of Israel and its relations with the Palestinian people
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9:54p, 10/8/23
Lots of hatred for Gods people here but I am not surprised.
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 9:56p, 10/8/23
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Quote it
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 10:43p, 10/8/23
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SirDippinDots said:
Lots of hatred for Gods people here but I am not surprised.
Bro, that's not it.
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3:47a, 10/9/23
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How does advocating for genocide not result in a ban?
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In reply to craigernaught • 4:32a, 10/9/23
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How does advocating for genocide not result in a ban?


The scripture says drive them out otherwise they will be a thorn in your side.

I did not write it. Driving them out doesn't say genocide. That is your interpretation which I don't think is correct.

Edit: in fact to say I am advocating genocide is an outright lie. I did not say it and the scripture doesn't say it. Why don't you go try and get the Bible banned?
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 4:54a, 10/9/23
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It's very clear that you don't know what genocide is. It's very clear that you don't know the story from which you are quoting. It's very clear that you don't understand what it would take to "drive out non-Jews from the land". It's very clear that you're arguing in bad faith.

It's also very, very clear that you don't know what you're talking about.
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5:00a, 10/9/23
Let me be clear the only people I have seen advocating genocide are Hamas and Hezbollah.

But I do see a willful misinterpretation of scripture equating driving them out as genocide and then another lie saying I am advocating genocide.

I see posts how Israel are not God's people.

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6:54a, 10/9/23
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The modern nation state of Israel is not the Israel of the scriptures.

And the NT teaches that not all who are (born) of Israel are Israel and that those who came to Christ are the people of God, just as those in the OT were who followed the Word.
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In reply to Zobel • 7:05a, 10/9/23
Zobel said:
The modern nation state of Israel is not the Israel of the scriptures.

And the NT teaches that not all who are (born) of Israel are Israel and that those who came to Christ are the people of God, just as those in the OT were who followed the Word.


You are free to have your opinion.
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 7:09a, 10/9/23
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Of course I am, and i don't need your permission. Go somewhere else with your ethnic cleansing nonsense, and quit twisting the scriptures to support it.
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In reply to Zobel • 7:20a, 10/9/23
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Of course I am, and i don't need your permission. Go somewhere else with your ethnic cleansing nonsense, and quit twisting the scriptures to support it.


So driving someone out is ethnic cleansing. You are wrong and intellectually dishonest.

IMO driving someone out would equate up to and including forced relocation. It is you that is full of nonsense.

Go ahead and just take that out of your Bible. Plenty of left wing theologians already trying to subvert Gods word.
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In reply to craigernaught • 7:35a, 10/9/23
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It's very clear that you don't know what genocide is. It's very clear that you don't know the story from which you are quoting. It's very clear that you don't understand what it would take to "drive out non-Jews from the land". It's very clear that you're arguing in bad faith.

It's also very, very clear that you don't know what you're talking about.


By the land do you mean the land that God promised Israel or do you mean some place else?
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7:39a, 10/9/23
I must say some of the posters here are not very welcoming to others coming into what they perceive as their sandbox.

In addition some posters keep saying lies like I am advocating genocide by quoting scripture that I did not write and then twisting the scripture into genocide when scripture clearly does not say that and then making me the author.

Quite the angry mob some of you come across as. I hope you are a bit nicer away from the internet.
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 7:42a, 10/9/23
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If the people you're driving out are a particular ethnicity or are being replaced by a particular ethnicity, yeah, that's ethnic cleansing.

I have no issue with the passage in numbers. It doesn't apply to this situation at all. I already gave you scripture to support my point.

Quit acting like a victim. Advocating for ethnic cleansing and genocide by implication isn't an acceptable point of view. Twisting the scriptures to support it is offensive.
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 8:22a, 10/9/23
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Quite the angry mob some of you come across as. I hope you are a bit nicer away from the internet.
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 8:26a, 10/9/23
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SirDippinDots said:
craigernaught said:
It's very clear that you don't know what genocide is. It's very clear that you don't know the story from which you are quoting. It's very clear that you don't understand what it would take to "drive out non-Jews from the land". It's very clear that you're arguing in bad faith.

It's also very, very clear that you don't know what you're talking about.


By the land do you mean the land that God promised Israel or do you mean some place else?

Dude, that's what you wrote:
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drive out the non Jews that dwelled in the land.

Why don't you just tell us what "the land" refers to?

What are it's boundaries? Does that only include the boundaries of the modern state, or would it include the land promised to Abram in Genesis 15:18-21:
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On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, 'To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates, the land of the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girga****es, and the Jebusites.'

Or does it include something else? Do you even know what you're saying?
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 8:28a, 10/9/23
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I must say some of the posters here are not very welcoming to others coming into what they perceive as their sandbox.

Dear Victim,

I'm very sorry that people are being unwelcoming to you while you are advocating genocide. It must be really tough to go through that.
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In reply to Zobel • 9:37a, 10/9/23
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Zobel said:
The modern nation state of Israel is not the Israel of the scriptures.

And the NT teaches that not all who are (born) of Israel are Israel and that those who came to Christ are the people of God, just as those in the OT were who followed the Word.


The second most prophesied event in scripture (after Yeshua Himself) is the destruction of the nation of Israel and the restoration of the nation of Israel, which has mostly recently occurred in 1948; the exact number of years Abraham was born after Adam. To dismiss this prophetic fulfillment as inconsequential is willfully dismissive of the power of scripture and antisemitic.
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In reply to SirDippinDots • 9:43a, 10/9/23
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SirDippinDots said:
I must say some of the posters here are not very welcoming to others coming into what they perceive as their sandbox.

In addition some posters keep saying lies like I am advocating genocide by quoting scripture that I did not write and then twisting the scripture into genocide when scripture clearly does not say that and then making me the author.

Quite the angry mob some of you come across as. I hope you are a bit nicer away from the internet.
Nah. We're not angry. We're repulsed by your position. You're not unwelcome. You're just wrong.
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In reply to Win At Life • 9:46a, 10/9/23
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The modern idea of nation is not found in the scriptures at all. Complete anachronism.
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