i don't think there's the chance of not getting covid
So you believe everyone has had Covid?Zobel said:
i don't think there's the chance of not getting covid
I agree with that. But Covid now is not like Covid of 2020-21.Zobel said:
there are people who haven't, but the odds of staying that way approach zero as time goes on. the last numbers out are from april, and its estimated to be over 75% for kids.
Zobel said:
how does the risk of myocarditis for current covid compare to original strain and the vaccine? and severity of the myocarditis?
look, my kids got covid in the end of 2020, so i never worried about vaccines or whatever. it was no big deal. but i also think it strains credulity to imagine that the vaccine presents a higher risk than the disease. i don't think there is any evidence of that at all, social media and f16 claims notwithstanding.
Zobel said:
everyone is going to get covid eventually, so why bring up the case of no risk if you don't get it?
Zobel said:
how does the risk of myocarditis for current covid compare to original strain and the vaccine? and severity of the myocarditis?
look, my kids got covid in the end of 2020, so i never worried about vaccines or whatever. it was no big deal. but i also think it strains credulity to imagine that the vaccine presents a higher risk than the disease. i don't think there is any evidence of that at all, social media and f16 claims notwithstanding.
false dichotomy between this and vaccinationQuote:
If you really wanted to fight Covid, the most prevalent risk factor was obesity. Rather than lockdowns, if you banned sodas for 2 years, we probably would have saved more lives.
Zobel said:
what do you think the risk of serious complication / fatality of the vaccine is?false dichotomy between this and vaccinationQuote:
If you really wanted to fight Covid, the most prevalent risk factor was obesity. Rather than lockdowns, if you banned sodas for 2 years, we probably would have saved more lives.
Zobel said:
ok then its a non sequitur... whos arguing about obesity or lockdowns here or pretending that obesity is healthy?
not sure either. with omicron the risk was still heavily in favor of the vaccine when just looking at myocarditis, even for young people.Quote:
Not sure if the risk of myocarditis is the same now as it was with early Covid.
Zobel said:
my parents did the texas cares antibody study and managed to avoid covid until just a few months ago, so there is a possibility you haven't. but you also might be one of the lucky ones who got it and didn't know. only way to tell for sure is the antibody test.
they both were vaccinated but not boosted, and it knocked my dad on his tail for a few days. i think he was a little surprised by how rough it was.
ramblin_ag02 said:
I hospitalized a lot of people as young as their 30s during the delta and omicron waves. Some of them didn't survive. I have a lot of contacts at larger hospitals, and they had a fair number of people in their 20s get hospitalized as well. The alpha strain seemed to be only dangerous to the elderly in general, but that wasn't true by the time delta came along in May 2021.
Definitely agree that obesity is a major risk factor for COVID and everything else. I'm in primary care so I fight that battle multiple times daily. Not to get on a soap box, but when over half your society is overweight or obese, then it's a society problem not just a personal problem. Societal problems require societal solutions, but good luck with that nowadays
TheBonifaceOption said:ramblin_ag02 said:
I hospitalized a lot of people as young as their 30s during the delta and omicron waves. Some of them didn't survive. I have a lot of contacts at larger hospitals, and they had a fair number of people in their 20s get hospitalized as well. The alpha strain seemed to be only dangerous to the elderly in general, but that wasn't true by the time delta came along in May 2021.
Definitely agree that obesity is a major risk factor for COVID and everything else. I'm in primary care so I fight that battle multiple times daily. Not to get on a soap box, but when over half your society is overweight or obese, then it's a society problem not just a personal problem. Societal problems require societal solutions, but good luck with that nowadays
I would be interested to see a comparison analysis of IFR across countries, and then analyze it versus mean BMI of the countries.
Why don't we address obesity? Our economy is dependent demand. We demand big portions, big drinks, that results in increasing demand on medical treatment, increased demands on pharmaceuticals, increased demand for gyms, trainers, "health foods", healthy foods, gurus, music to listen to while on the hampster wheel. Demand demand demand. Consume consume consume.
I did not know that. Thanks very much for pointing it out.Quote:
Sausage in the US has sugar in it.
Here is my point. It shouldn't take an enormous amount of health literacy and access to healthcare in order to eat healthy. That should be the default. The problem is that all of the cheap, tasty, and easily accessible food is one small step up from poison. Health literacy and access to healthcare are secondary issues that are like buckets to bail water out of a sinking ship. Yes, buckets help, but they aren't going to fix the hole in the ship or stop it from sinking. Same way with healthcare. It helps, but it is neither the cause nor the solution.Sapper Redux said:
This is incomplete information, though, if you don't include the reality that unhealthy foods are significantly cheaper on average and much easier to find in poor areas that are food deserts. Obesity has a big class component and access to food, health literacy, and access to healthcare are big parts of the problem.