Macarthur said:
File5 said:
Macarthur said:
File5 said:
Macarthur said:
I find all of this some amazing mental gymnastics to twist a vengeful God (his own words) into an all loving God.
Again, God is okay with some little one's being killed but there's a blanket order against Abortion even though it's never mentioned....
I think the responses have done a great job of responding to both of your statements here, do you have anything more of substance?
No, they haven't. Kurt beat me to the punch on a couple of these reponses. They are incredibly inadequate, IMO.
Do I need to actually post a list of why I think God doesn't really value human life?
Sure, why not? Anything is better than just calling arguments mental gymnastics and restating points that we've already addressed. Conversation requires two people honestly engaging with reasoned, supported positions, if you don't do that then there's no point to put any time into it.
I find this a bit disingenuous. I mean, you've read the Bible. You know the kind of death and carnage I'm referencing. God was either directly involved or condoning it.
God is merciful, but still a judge. God despises governments using force, death, and subjugation as tools. The OT prophets show that nations can be judged by how they treat the immigrant, widow, and orphan. All ancient Jews knew of the phrase, The Day of Our Lord. Where God's justice physically defeated the enemies of the ancient Jews.
When Egypt was given plagues and the passover happened?: The Day of Our Lord
When Babylon sacked Israel: The Day of Our Lord.
When the Assyrians sacked Babylon: The Day of Our Lord.
God admits to using governments as bearers of judgement for other governments.
Here's the twist: Jesus's sacrifice on the cross is the Day of Our Lord, but instead of vanquishing a physical opponent who has sin in their heart, He goes straight for sin itself and defeats death. Jesus, as the embodiment of God spends his ministry constantly showing that the enemy is unseen, and raising a sword against humans only ensares you in death as well. This is why Jesus tells Peter to 'get behind me satan' when Jesus reveals he is going to die soon. Peter wants Jesus to ride out into battle, Jesus dying on the cross doesn't make sense. But Jesus sees the seed of sin in Peter here- Peter thinks physically defeating opponents is the objective.