I'll stop now, but it's telling that you're ignoring my question.

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I'm only ignoring you because I'm so easily sucked in. It's not healthy for me to spend hours debating an atheist on here. I came here to state that it's well within the Christian world view to end a mass shooters life. I addressed every point I felt needed to be.

You turned me off when you said I don't care what God thinks. I hope you find Jesus. God bless.

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I'm not trying to debate you on my atheism. You would lose.

I'm trying to ask you about a point you made to other Christians. You insinuated that Christians who aren't committed to the same stance as you on violence are weak. I am not the only person who's asked you about this. Several Christians have as well. I'm willing to bet it's still a point of confusion for those who have read that post. We don't need to get into the fact that I'm an atheist to discuss this. I'm really hoping you can clarify.

This needs no theological commitments whatsoever. Do you believe that those Christians who don't share your views on violence are weak?

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I clarified myself. You just didn't like it.

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I'm only ignoring you because I'm so easily sucked in. It's not healthy for me to spend hours debating an atheist on here. I came here to state that it's well within the Christian world view to end a mass shooters life. I addressed every point I felt needed to be.

You turned me off when you said I don't care what God thinks. I hope you find Jesus. God bless.

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I'm not trying to debate you on my atheism. You would lose.

I'm trying to ask you about a point you made to other Christians. You insinuated that Christians who aren't committed to the same stance as you on violence are weak. I am not the only person who's asked you about this. Several Christians have as well. I'm willing to bet it's still a point of confusion for those who have read that post. We don't need to get into the fact that I'm an atheist to discuss this. I'm really hoping you can clarify.

This needs no theological commitments whatsoever. Do you believe that those Christians who don't share your views on violence are weak?

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I clarified myself. You just didn't like it.

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Weak. Don't understand what's so frightening about addressing this directly, but it's up to you.

Your clarification made it sound like you think Christians who don't share your view on violence are weak. You're right, I don't like that, but that's not my objection. My objection is that you also called this a straw man. You either don't understand what a straw man is, or you're caught in a contradiction. Either or could be clarified very quickly by you addressing the topic directly. Yet you refuse to do so.

Weak.

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I'm only ignoring you because I'm so easily sucked in. It's not healthy for me to spend hours debating an atheist on here. I came here to state that it's well within the Christian world view to end a mass shooters life. I addressed every point I felt needed to be.

You turned me off when you said I don't care what God thinks. I hope you find Jesus. God bless.

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I'm not trying to debate you on my atheism. You would lose.

I'm trying to ask you about a point you made to other Christians. You insinuated that Christians who aren't committed to the same stance as you on violence are weak. I am not the only person who's asked you about this. Several Christians have as well. I'm willing to bet it's still a point of confusion for those who have read that post. We don't need to get into the fact that I'm an atheist to discuss this. I'm really hoping you can clarify.

This needs no theological commitments whatsoever. Do you believe that those Christians who don't share your views on violence are weak?

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I clarified myself. You just didn't like it.

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Weak. Don't understand what's so frightening about addressing this directly, but it's up to you.

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You're not being honest that's why. I directly answered.

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Not even close. I've never been. I despise Calvinism.

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I'm only ignoring you because I'm so easily sucked in. It's not healthy for me to spend hours debating an atheist on here. I came here to state that it's well within the Christian world view to end a mass shooters life. I addressed every point I felt needed to be.

You turned me off when you said I don't care what God thinks. I hope you find Jesus. God bless.

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I'm not trying to debate you on my atheism. You would lose.

I'm trying to ask you about a point you made to other Christians. You insinuated that Christians who aren't committed to the same stance as you on violence are weak. I am not the only person who's asked you about this. Several Christians have as well. I'm willing to bet it's still a point of confusion for those who have read that post. We don't need to get into the fact that I'm an atheist to discuss this. I'm really hoping you can clarify.

This needs no theological commitments whatsoever. Do you believe that those Christians who don't share your views on violence are weak?

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I clarified myself. You just didn't like it.

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You're not being honest that's why. I directly answered.

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See my edit. All of your clarifications made it sound like you indeed believe Christians who don't share your view on violence are weak. But you also called stating that a straw man. So either you don't understand the straw man, or you're caught in a contradiction.

Dude, in response to being a Baptist, you said "Not even close. I've never been. I despise Calvinism."

The implication is clear. You're not a Baptist because you despise Calvinism. You seem to be very sloppy in how you word things, then get touchy when people logically infer what you're implying.

Assumptions are what you did in assuming we were driven by our disagreement with you.

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Dude, in response to being a Baptist, you said "Not even close. I've never been. I despise Calvinism."

The implication is clear. You're not a Baptist because you despise Calvinism. You seem to be very sloppy in how you word things, then get touchy when people logically infer what you're implying.

Assumptions are what you did in assuming we were driven by our disagreement with you.

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No I implied nothing. You asked about my beliefs so I clarified.

You are just a nit picker.

There is a horrible culture on this site where people assume too much about people, jump to conclusions, and commit logical fallacies to win arguments. (We all have) The only thing you can gather from what I said is that I was never Baptist, and that I despise Calvinism. Anything else is you putting words in my mouth.

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I'm only ignoring you because I'm so easily sucked in. It's not healthy for me to spend hours debating an atheist on here. I came here to state that it's well within the Christian world view to end a mass shooters life. I addressed every point I felt needed to be.

You turned me off when you said I don't care what God thinks. I hope you find Jesus. God bless.

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Interesting that a percher would be more interested about making multiple posts defending his lust for stopping a mass murderer instead of proselytizing to an atheist.

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I'm only ignoring you because I'm so easily sucked in. It's not healthy for me to spend hours debating an atheist on here. I came here to state that it's well within the Christian world view to end a mass shooters life. I addressed every point I felt needed to be.

You turned me off when you said I don't care what God thinks. I hope you find Jesus. God bless.

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Interesting you chimed in to be passive aggressive, when the topic of the thread is mass shootings, and the atheist himself said he didn't want to discuss that topic. Even the disciples dusted off their feet when they were rejected.

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Who blue stars this? You made the link between Baptists and Calvinists, not us. There was no reason to bring up Calvinism at all...

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I don't think Jesus had in mind "Go lecture a group of people you don't hang around with or get to know at all about how you're right and their wrong...and then get in little pissing matches about semantics and storm off" when he inspired this.

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I'm only ignoring you because I'm so easily sucked in. It's not healthy for me to spend hours debating an atheist on here. I came here to state that it's well within the Christian world view to end a mass shooters life. I addressed every point I felt needed to be.

You turned me off when you said I don't care what God thinks. I hope you find Jesus. God bless.

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I simply stated that we don't need to discuss atheism in order for you to answer the question: do you believe that Christians who do not share your views on violence are weak? From the best I can gather, you do believe they are weak. If that's the case, then hopefully you've learned what a straw man is at this point, and you realize now that what Zobel did was not a straw man, as he (seemingly) accurately described your viewpoint. I never said I was unwilling to discuss the topic of atheism, theism, or even to be proselytized to. It's a forum on religion and philosophy. Feel free to discuss it. I'll probably even join the discussion. It'll probably make me feel euphoric.

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I don't think Jesus had in mind "Go lecture a group of people you don't hang around with or get to know at all about how you're right and their wrong...and then get in little pissing matches about semantics and storm off" when he inspired this.

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I see no mischaracterization.

Everyone here who is against guns in the house or keeping them for self defense lives in a bubble created by their wealth. Where all the impoliteness, desperateness, and violent tendencies of man are kept away. And while it's okay to live in a bubble, understand that bubbles get popped all the time. I've never understood not having any protection-period.

Do I think I'm going to get run up by a gang? No. But I also know that I can be a target anytime and I owe it to my family to protect them.

We are literally mirroring back to you the attitudes and actions you take. You claim to be blunt, but you seem unable to accept it when we are being blunt back at you.

it's not that I don't like you. I don't know you, so I can't like or not like you. But I haven't liked how you've approached this community as a fellow believer and someone in ministry. You come in, cause dust ups with various frequent posters here, get all bent out of shape when we disagree and then blame us like you've just done. I doesn't seem like you really use this as a sounding board. this is why I don't consider it a mischaracterization. I can see how you wouldn't like it, but again...being blunt like you are being blunt.

You are absolutely welcome to engage and here and be part of this community. As a pastor, I would have thought you'd like to weigh in all the various theological topics here. There's literally a conversation about Heb 6/apostasy going on elsewhere. But you don't. The ONLY thing we know about you theologically is how you hate Calvinism. It's perfectly ok to post on the topics you care about...but if all you care about is guns and gays, well, then the regulars here will think certain things about you. Can you blame them?