Sarcastiquotes aren't really beneficial here.
I was pretty clear from the get-go what I meant by innovation - departing from the teaching of the Apostles. I said there is no innovation in the faith, because we hold the same beliefs they did, and we hold to the same teachings and traditions they deposited with us.
Explaining something is not innovation. You can explain something over and over again without saying anything new. You want to say that because new / innovative ways of talking about the faith happened, that there's change. That's simply not true, and it's moving the goalposts.
Faith is not dogma. This seems to be fairly straightforward. A person can believe something and be wholly incapable of expressing that belief. The explanation of a thing is not the thing itself.
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Synagogue worship only started during the first Diaspora. Prior to that all, all Jewish worship was Temple worship or the "praxis" of following the Torah laws. Not eating pork is as much worship as singing a hymn or reading a psalm. This is a consistent Jewish opinion from the oldest commentaries we have all the way until now. So if you don't believe that, then something changed and is new. Yes, Christianity changed from Judaism. But that didn't happen wholesale on Pentecost. Things continued to gradually change over a very long amount of time. We can easily see this by comparing places that changed more quickly with places that changed more slowly. But there was continued change in worship and dogma and praxis and liturgy and faith from the day of Pentecost and continuing for at least many decades. I'd argue it never stopped, but I'm not married to that point.
Worship and praxis are not the same thing. In scriptural terms, worship is fundamentally linked to sacrifice as well as bowing down and prostrating oneself. Praxis is the mode of living, and includes how, when, where you worship. Praxis is how you carry out what you believe. People worshipped God before circumcision. People worshipped God outside of Hebrew custom, practice, and the Law. Therefore worship of God is not the same thing as the entirety of the way the Hebrews lived. Their worship is not the same as their entire way of life, and customs. I am not really interested in how some unspecified Jewish people would say they worship. How does the Holy Scripture speak of these things? How has the Church taught these things?
If not eating pork is worship, then you can worship anywhere. But that's not how the Lord sees it (John 4:21) and thats not how the scriptures see it (2 Chron 32:12, or 2 Kings 18:22 - "you shall worship in Jerusalem" for example). The Law and Scriptures make a distinction between serving and worshipping (Deuteronomy 5:9, 8:19, Joshua 23:7, Judges 2:19 etc).
The world changed. You cannot be a Jew, today, the way the Jews in the first century were. I don't think it is too bold to say that Judaism as practiced by the Lord in His life here is fundamentally lost and gone, destroyed. It no longer exists, and no one practices that religion. It is impossible. What is practiced today is that synagogue worship you describe.
Now, I agree that details of practice or praxis, worship, and so on, these change. We use different languages, and therefore words, the specifics of the Liturgy evolved over time - multiple liturgies were edited and combined, new liturgies were written. Obviously our daily lives today are vastly different than even people a hundred years ago. But this is an empty kind of argument. The faith was passed down
once. The truth was passed down
once. Therefore the teaching of Christ, through the Apostles, abides. Either that or scripture is a lie.
I'm not arguing against a static ideal. That would be silly. At the risk of repeating myself, I'm arguing that we hold the same beliefs as the Apostles, and we hold to the same teachings and traditions they deposited with us.