yossarian?
Puffing the chest for something that's not even the mission of the church?Doc Daneeka said:
And they refined western democratic thought...
I live in Atlanta, in the heart of the Bible Belt. Most of the people around me and younger are going to the megachurches. They have great music, lots of great visual teachings, etc. The doctrine is especially easy, too - say the sinner's prayer and your in for all of eternity, don't say it and you're burning in hell.k2aggie07 said:
People aren't objecting to what you're saying. They're objecting to how you're saying it.
"Rah rah protestants are great" and "boo Catholics" make up like 1/3 of the threads on here.
Kool said:
This one is a good start. Actually, I would call it a great start.
https://mediaweb.saintleo.edu/courses/REL210RS/REL210RS_JointDeclaration.pdf
AstroAg17 said:
Mexicans are typically catholic
How about France? Mostly Catholic. A number of enlightenment thinkers came from France.Doc Daneeka said:
Spain and Portugal were Catholic... Do I need to list all the other Protestants or can we agree
That there are millions more Protestants...
AstroAg17 said:
I don't believe, but if I did, I think I'd have to be catholic. Their apologetics literature is unmatched in my experience. Maybe K2 could talk me into orthodoxy.
AstroAg17 said:
Why?
k2aggie07 said:
This is kind of like saying that philosophy is pathological because people write new papers explaining why previous papers are right and expanding on those ideas.
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I ain't skeered. New poster? Doc Daneeka. Not because he/she is a protestant triumphalist or ignorant of basic history, political philosophy, or theology... but because he/she is a troll and a liar in his/her own words.
This is a big boy board for people to be nice and discuss things with at least a little bit of thought and respect. It's not that hard.
If you want to troll people go to general or old rivalries. If you want to flame bait go to politics. If you want to unscrew the inscrutable over a beer, post her. Or gtfo.
k2aggie07 said:
Of course they should. God didn't make us automatons. Who argued otherwise?
Because the catholic church is a political organization.AstroAg17 said:
So along those lines, why shouldn't someone who feels they have a logical point of contention with a church teaching be able to explore it? Why should they have to ignore their own reason to remain consistent with the all-or-nothing approach of the church?
Actually, the Catholic Church "allows" disagreement about many things.AstroAg17 said:
The Catholic Church doesn't allow disagreement about many things.
I can appreciate the argument that if one disagrees with an indisputable tenet of Catholicism, then one may not be considered a catholic, so it's reasonable that the church doesn't allow dissent. Still, there aren't really any options for those who simply don't agree with any one catholic teaching. There is no church for the guy who accepts everything but one thing, is there?
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I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
AstroAg17 said:
The Catholic Church doesn't allow disagreement about many things.
I can appreciate the argument that if one disagrees with an indisputable tenet of Catholicism, then one may not be considered a catholic, so it's reasonable that the church doesn't allow dissent. Still, there aren't really any options for those who simply don't agree with any one catholic teaching. There is no church for the guy who accepts everything but one thing, is there?