What he wrote is the symbol of faith. I believe this, except since I'm orthodox we simply say that the holy spirit proceeds from the father. This represent my faith in a nutshell.
Ok, yes.k2aggie07 said:
What he wrote is the symbol of faith. I believe this, except since I'm orthodox we simply say that the holy spirit proceeds from the father. This represent my faith in a nutshell.
This is what seems disingenuous. As if there aren't plenty of ways to get yourself kicked out of the Catholic Church? (assuming you actually told your beliefs to a priest or whatever instead of bottling your disagreements up inside, or confessing that you and your wife decided to get an abortion)Quote:
Actually, the Catholic Church "allows" disagreement about many things.
Really, to be Catholic, all you really "must" believe is:
I believe it!Marco Esquandolas said:AstroAg17 said:
The Catholic Church doesn't allow disagreement about many things.
I can appreciate the argument that if one disagrees with an indisputable tenet of Catholicism, then one may not be considered a catholic, so it's reasonable that the church doesn't allow dissent. Still, there aren't really any options for those who simply don't agree with any one catholic teaching. There is no church for the guy who accepts everything but one thing, is there?
I think there are legions of those guys who just keep their disagreements to themselves just because it's easier.
And, does anyone actually believe what Dad-O just wrote? Doubt it.
You may lose access to sacraments for other things, but that doesn't make a person "no longer Catholic".Marco Esquandolas said:Ok, yes.k2aggie07 said:
What he wrote is the symbol of faith. I believe this, except since I'm orthodox we simply say that the holy spirit proceeds from the father. This represent my faith in a nutshell.This is what seems disingenuous. As if there aren't plenty of ways to get yourself kicked out of the Catholic Church? (assuming you actually told your beliefs to a priest or whatever instead of bottling your disagreements up inside, or confessing that you and your wife decided to get an abortion)Quote:
Actually, the Catholic Church "allows" disagreement about many things.
Really, to be Catholic, all you really "must" believe is:
The believing Catholic is to understand that the Church through Jesus Christ has the responsibility to impart faith and to teach its members. In this sense, Catholics understand that the Holy Spirit guides the Church in its teaching, even though it uses imperfect and wholly human messengers to do so. Even Jesus picked one bad apple out of the 12. The Catholic Church does allow for dissent. Not every Catholic agrees with all of the dogma of the Catholic Church. There is an entire section within the Catechism regarding the formation of conscience and the duty of the Catholic Christian to examine his or her own conscience, and it even outlines steps to be taken whenever one's own conscience, properly examined and formed and tested, is in contradiction to the formal teachings of the Catholic Church. It is easy for American Catholics to remember where to look for the teachings about the formation of conscience - sections 1776 - 1812. I love this pdf flip version of the Catechism, and I hope my poor interwebs skills don't ruin the link. CheersMarco Esquandolas said:Ok, yes.k2aggie07 said:
What he wrote is the symbol of faith. I believe this, except since I'm orthodox we simply say that the holy spirit proceeds from the father. This represent my faith in a nutshell.This is what seems disingenuous. As if there aren't plenty of ways to get yourself kicked out of the Catholic Church? (assuming you actually told your beliefs to a priest or whatever instead of bottling your disagreements up inside, or confessing that you and your wife decided to get an abortion)Quote:
Actually, the Catholic Church "allows" disagreement about many things.
Really, to be Catholic, all you really "must" believe is: