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It looks like my son and I may be able to head that way this week.
It looks like my son and I may be able to head that way this week.
Jaydoug said:
Wife and I and daughters went to St. George on Sunday. My 4th Orthodox service so I've figured out the pattern and can follow along now.
It's just as you've said, I've spent my Protestant life measuring Sunday by what I've personally got our or didn't get out of the service: Sermon and music.
I've come to see the Orthodox service as what we should be giving instead of getting. Worship, prayer, etc.
It is not entertaining. At all, at this point for me. But its Ancient and good. Refreshing really, that no matter how our culture or political landscape shifts, the liturgy will be unchanged as it has been for 1600 years. That's appealing to me.
AgLiving06 said:Jaydoug said:
Wife and I and daughters went to St. George on Sunday. My 4th Orthodox service so I've figured out the pattern and can follow along now.
It's just as you've said, I've spent my Protestant life measuring Sunday by what I've personally got our or didn't get out of the service: Sermon and music.
I've come to see the Orthodox service as what we should be giving instead of getting. Worship, prayer, etc.
It is not entertaining. At all, at this point for me. But its Ancient and good. Refreshing really, that no matter how our culture or political landscape shifts, the liturgy will be unchanged as it has been for 1600 years. That's appealing to me.
It's interesting, I went to an Orthodox Church for two weeks in a row and then back to the Lutheran Church last week.
When the "band" started with their opening song, my first though was "wow I forgot how out of place this felt."
At this point, I'm somewhere "east of the LCMS" and "west of the Orthodox" and I don't know what that makes me right now.
I think so, hence the "unchanged" liturgy of the Orthodox service.dermdoc said:
I have a feeling that the first churches were much like Orthodox services.
swimmerbabe11 said:
I don't know where you live/go to church. Try an LCMS church from this lutheranliturgy.org site
(If you tell me where you live, I can probably direct you)
If your area doesn't have an LCMS church that is confessional/traditional, you might check out the WELS churches or AALC. Also, a good Eastern oriented Lutheran pastor is Jordan Cooper. His books and podcasts are pretty great. Christification was really amazing. If you live in Houston, you should check out my church (and I'd lend you the book!)
Captain Pablo said:
Try this... buddy of mine forwarded it to me
Just started reading it today
I too am very curious.
https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/assets/uploads/books/18403/Kallistos%20Ware%20The%20Orthodox%20Way.pdf
AgLiving06 said:Captain Pablo said:
Try this... buddy of mine forwarded it to me
Just started reading it today
I too am very curious.
https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/assets/uploads/books/18403/Kallistos%20Ware%20The%20Orthodox%20Way.pdf
Have you read "The Orthodox Church" by Kallistos Ware as well?
That gives you the fundamentals of the Orthodox Church where as this delves more into the Mysteries of the Church.
k2aggie07 said:
Thanks man. I'm glad you found it useful.
I think the biggest or key difference as you said between Eastern faiths (Buddhism/Hinduism) and orthodoxy is in how the individual relates to the eternal. If the self is an illusion and we sink into this cosmic oneness we all "become God" by losing ourselves. On the other hand, the bedrock of Christianity is the idea that the only -real- thing we know about God is that He has persons, the Trinity. So our personhood is because of His, and when we're saved our personhood is realized in perfection, not lost.
I think the western idea of personhood, the self, and personality were heavily influenced by Trimitarian identity because of this.
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An interesting study for protestants or Roman Catholics is to try to grasp the teachings about the nature of reality posed in Hinduism and Buddhism. The basic teaching that the world is an illusion, and that we are all One Thing will likely blow your mind. It is very foreign to the western way of thought.
Indeed he is. Because of him, I've grown very intrigued with the Orthodox. It becomes even more attractive as this board hasn't been much more than a "Catholic vs Protestant" pissing match the past few weeks.Aggiefan#1 said:
Thumbs up for K2. Great ambassador of our faith.
His knowledge has caused me to look at my own study habits (mostly natural and historical studies) and devote much more time to theology and the Church Fathers.
Aggiefan#1 said:
As Orthodox Christians we are instructed to exhibit a Christlike humility. "Pissing matches" are not an option.
Aggiefan#1 said:
As Orthodox Christians we are instructed to exhibit a Christlike humility. "Pissing matches" are not an option.
Besides we don't have much to get into arguments about. Protestants and Roman Catholics are much more similar in nature than either are to us.
We have just been doing our thing for almost two millennia and don't plan on changing it.
Aggiefan#1 said:
Besides we don't have much to get into arguments about. Protestants and Roman Catholics are much more similar in nature than either are to us.
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