Well, I guess there are some dumb people. Not to say I didn't do my share of dumb things when I was a chief.

Things have evolved since you were on campus, even. They don't play around anymore.

bonfire burns on the 24th. 1st cut is 9/20

thanks and gig em

Jayci, if you don't mind me asking, if you have participated in bonfire, why are you so strongly against it? I'm just interested to know why you feel such anger towards participants if you were once one of them.

I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just interested.

Doesn't sound like she's against it, maybe just a little critical of participants actions. I think everyone will agree people in bonfire tend to be just a little more rambunctious...er...Redass...than your usual Ag

Absolutely not against it at all and I'm sorry if I've come across that way. I was in leadership for 2 years, and particpated for a total of 4 and just got burned out with the attitudes from the people that I dealt with. Friendly rivalries are the best. When personal property is destroyed it just doesn't seem like our peers know when to draw the line anymore. Looking back, I can see that I really overstepped my boundaries because I was in leadership. Now, looking back, I regret the attitude that I had and really don't appreciate the way that I was treated by the people I had been essentially working for. It's the people that have put a bad taste in my mouth, not the tradition. The lack of humility among the leadership is astounding.

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I like the way you think, Fitch.

And Jayci, I'm sorry for getting the wrong impression. I'm too New Army, what do I know?

Nah, your just defending your organization. That's what you're supposed to do! I was that way too. If you're not passionate about it, then why waste your time, right?

Jayci, they were trying to bust me on hazing charges. I was walking back from the Chicken (okay, it may not have been in a straight line, but I was walking), and the freshmen were doing some self led calisthenics in front of the dorm. I waved and went on in.

Later than night, I had planned to hold an event off campus (not an illegal event or an event where anything illegal would happen) and due to lower turnout than expected, it was cancelled.

Next thing I know, I'm being written up for hazing and they're trying to throw me out of the dorm. They had nothing on me, and even though there was no proof of anything, they still put in my file about planning to hold an event off campus that never happened. With reslife/scrs, you are guilty until proven innocent, and if you are somehow proven innocent, there must have been an error, and you're really still guilty.

You know me Jayci, I'm not one of "those crazies", but at the time, I was known as the largest proponent of SB in crocker (for that matter, I was also the dorm president), so I had a target on me.



As for crazy people in dorms, I think they're there regardless of bonfire involvement. A particular guy I knew in crocker didn't do anything with SB, but he sure would get drunk and throw his chair down the stairwell. Idiots will be idiots, and zealots will be zealots. Unfortunately, most groups/organizations have them, and others, (Moses) have more than their fair share.

Oh, and just to be fair, there's a reason DG is a girl's dorm, and it has nothing to do with off-campus bonfire.

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That wasn't the point of my original post though. The point was that there is this mentality that "everyone is out to get me" among students in regard to bonfire and that's not the case. As NoAC said, they probably couldn't give a crap about when burn is scheduled. It was just a lighthearted speculation from 00; he was just pointing out the abnormality, probably without serious intent. Think beyond bonfire.

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There is no doubt in my mind (contrary to popular belief) that the university cares about when burn is scheduled. They may not go to the effort some think they do to schedule events to conflict but never the less...
TAMU gives a big damn as to what this "little" organization is doing with 1000+ of their students. And oh my gosh, how ever do they do it? They completely carry out an event of this magnitude and they don’t even need the University’s help, that’s impossible though their just stupid college kids right?

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Moses destroyed their own dorm. One of the recent Crocker chiefs threw a chair and shattered an FHK glass door. Those are just two things that I can think of off the top of my head. They weren't discriminated against because they were involved in Bonfire, they were discriminated because they were trouble makers.

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Yeah and only kids involved in Bonfire had anything to do with it? Bull. And I agree they probably weren’t discriminated against because they were in Bonfire, but I bet the words “those damn bonfire kids again” came out of somebody’s mouth.

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Absolutely not against it at all and I'm sorry if I've come across that way. I was in leadership for 2 years, and particpated for a total of 4 and just got burned out with the attitudes from the people that I dealt with. Friendly rivalries are the best. When personal property is destroyed it just doesn't seem like our peers know when to draw the line anymore. Looking back, I can see that I really overstepped my boundaries because I was in leadership. Now, looking back, I regret the attitude that I had and really don't appreciate the way that I was treated by the people I had been essentially working for. It's the people that have put a bad taste in my mouth, not the tradition. The lack of humility among the leadership is astounding.

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I recall hearing something about a parking lot in that second year. Enough said. Don’t be so quick to only point the finger at others for their wrong doings.

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If those are the kind of people you want to associate yourself with,"XXX" sorority doesn't want to associate themselves with you.

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And oh my gosh, how ever do they do it? They completely carry out an event of this magnitude and they don’t even need the University’s help, that’s impossible though their just stupid college kids right?

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I don't understand what you're getting at with this statement. I understand that it's sarcasm, I just don't know what point you're trying to make.

And I certainly can point my finger at the bad attitudes that leadership holds. I'm sure I had a cocky attitude, but really I was a legend in my own mind. Nobody gives a crap about some green pot in bonfire, nor do they give a crap about some red/brown pot. You bust your rear for two years, and you're done. You learn a lot of useful things and you are vital to the building of bonfire and to a successful burn, but in the end, you're no better than anybody else, and that is not the attitude that a lot of the leadership holds these days. They're just a bunch of jerks running around with inflated egos that treat each other like ****.

And if you're trying to bring up why I was removed from my green pot position, I am not embarrassed by it. I stood by my actions and took the blame when I could have kept my mouth shut and they would have never known any difference. So, if you are challenging my integrity then you are going to lose. I spoke up, took the blame and faced the consequences like a mature adult. Of course, the actions I let happen were ridiculous and taken too far and I should have stopped them, but hindsight is 20/20, and that's exactly what Kevin said to me as he took my pot, which was what I deserved. The liability that Student Bonfire faces is already so great, and for a person of upper leadership to stand by and watch four guys try to take Walton's fish jacket from one kid was completely irresponsible. There is no tolerance for that kind of thing, ESPECIALLY among leaders, and I deserved what I got. Now what were you saying? How does this relate to the topic? I don't recall destroying dorm property or being discriminated against for my actions, Pro. Like I said, I overstepped my boundaries too.

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it depends on the year, for the most part.

I have always had one heck of a time trying to understand why some of the folks participating in SB do what they do...

There is some strange resistance to letting go of the things people know are just stupid, and unfortunately, it's pretty easy to talk a freshman or sophomore out of their own better judgement.

The dorm/orginization rivalries are fine/fun to a point... that point comes when the two groups no longer have any respect for the other. That is when personal property always seems to come into the ordeal.

Somehow, it seems, the consequences and repercussions of an individual's actions escapes him/her for just long enough to get into trouble.

There needs to be a way that yellows/butts are held more accountable for the actions of their crew, and in a perfect world, the leadership positions of Bonfire would feel less like a babysitting job.

Maybe, one day, somebody will compile a video of logging & construction site accidents. I truely believe this would cut down on a few of the annoyances that come around every year.

Jayci, while I never knew (and still don't really) the complete details of your story, I don't completely believe it was in your job description to be on the lookout for playground fights...but you also weren't really supposed to watch them either :-\

you know how different my attitude was toward the various roles that everyone played.

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Jayci, while I never knew (and still don't really) the complete details of your story, I don't completely believe it was in your job description to be on the lookout for playground fights...but you also weren't really supposed to watch them either :-\

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No, I definitely was in the wrong with the whole situation, and I knew it going into it that I probably shouldn't be involved, but it was a lighthearted thing that just went too far--as most things tend to. Thankfully in the end, everything was all right, but I still deserved what I got!

Plus, I had a whole helluva lot more fun my junior year, anyway, when all of the browns, reds, and greens got along just fine

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yeah... the walton kid that got hurt that year during the whole fish jacket deal loves student bonfire and if you talk to him, he would back it up for hours. great kid with a big heart i would say.

I have noticed that rivalries are a tad bit more than "friendly", it has become very vehement, and zealots are abound.

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I don't understand what you're getting at with this statement. I understand that it's sarcasm, I just don't know what point you're trying to make.

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This comment wasn’t really directed at anyone specific, more of general scarcasim, and probably a little off topic.. Allot of folks seem to think that the university doesn’t give a crap what SB does. Personally I’m of the opinion when the “renegade” fire first started the university figured it would last a year or two and then go away. Then all of a sudden its still around, their raising money, putting together a large event without much help, and actually growing. I’m not of the impression they are scheduling games and going to change them to interfere with bonfire, but my overall point was they do care, and maybe not the university as a hole, but yes certain people within will do anything within their power to stop it.

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And I certainly can point my finger at the bad attitudes that leadership holds. I'm sure I had a cocky attitude, but really I was a legend in my own mind. Nobody gives a crap about some green pot in bonfire, nor do they give a crap about some red/brown pot. You bust your rear for two years, and you're done. You learn a lot of useful things and you are vital to the building of bonfire and to a successful burn, but in the end, you're no better than anybody else, and that is not the attitude that a lot of the leadership holds these days. They're just a bunch of jerks running around with inflated egos that treat each other like ****.

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I don’t understand where exactly your coming from on this. Sounds like you need to put a little more pride into your work. You may not be a legend in anybodies mind, but take pride. I also wouldn’t say no body gives a crap about any of the leadership. I personally respect them, seems like there is allot of hard work that goes into that position. I could be wrong but it seemed like the reds/browns I knew worked year round, round the clock to make sure the fire got built. I think that makes them better than the average meat out there. Also, in what way are they all jerks treating each other like ****? It seemed like last years reds/browns were a tight group? Again maybe you had some insider knowledge I didn’t?

As for the jacket incident, I like TR don’t know the full details of what went on that night. I did however hear you were involved and got fired. My point wasn’t to point the finger at you, my point was yes everybody makes stupid mistakes once in a while, and whose right is it to point fingers, not mine for sure.

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Very true.

I know there is an MSC scheduler of events. Every building on campus has one (usually the proctor of the building).

I would think that A&M has a master scheduler (the camps during the summer, the NSC, fish camp, etc etc). I would think that it would not be all that hard to include SB. Especially if attracts 5k+ people (or more). That would put it up at one of the more populous events that A&M holds (after sporting events, I would take it).

I think this is more of an attempt to sidetrack SB than anything. If you can't legally throw them out, via participating in "off campus" activites, then you try other methods if you want them gone. An analogy would be ants. If one method doesn't work, do you stop? You clean the kitchen, but they still are there (remove people from the dorms). You try a "mild" chemical (threaten to kick you out of school if you participate, knowing they can't do that).

They are just trying to come up with more and more "deadly" poisons to kill it. Bowen thought putting the memorial on the site (and turning it into a drainage ditch) would be enough. Never underestimate the power of a bored college kid.

~egon

As a fish this last year, I dont have the knowledge that some people do on bonfire. But some of the leadership was egotistical at times, I know of a few incidents that I wont go into detail about. Bonfire has become political, which is really ****ing gay, we're out they're to BTHO bonfire not ****ing argue over **** and bring up things of the past. SB is a great organization, but politics are a big part of it, and it pisses me off, but there really isnt anything i can do about it other than make sure I help make my crew big, and redass and apart of something bigger than themselves, because in the end I just want to btho bonfire. Some people it seems may not have that same view as me, but it sure as hell would be nice if people did.

Oddly enough Bonfire is alone in the fact that politicking has a presence.

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This makes the rest of your post a little more understandable.

Give him a break...he is a dumb fish.

this looks to be like the kind of thread I should make an appearance on, so hi!

I haven't read everything, but I'm seeing a lot of the same ol same ol. A lot of the die hards, if you will, still appear to feel like because you take part in bonfire, the university has a target on your back and would love nothing more than to thwart your every move.

I've always been a proponent of seeking inward solutions to problems or understanding of why people perceive me the way they do. Not all bonfire folk, but I've noticed most, tend to think that people are "out to get them" instead of looking at the facts and seeing that maybe some of the behavior attributed to bonfire folks are disruptive to the campus community as a whole.

That is all.

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Haha agreed, no offense bud but you were a fish. You're suposed to think the leadership are all ***holes. If you didn't they weren't doing their jobs. You earn respect around the woods and stack by working hard.


Welcome back Square! Question me this, should oncamus folks be blamed for the stuff they do because they are a part of Bonfire or because they are idiots that just happen to be a small part of bonfire? Are all bonfire folks idiots that cause problems oncampus? Are all idiots on campus that cause problems bonfire folk?

Would you like me to question you all of those questions or would you prefer that I answer you all of those questions?

Not all bonfire people do stupid things. Not all stupid things done on campus can be connected to bonfire. Nice try. But when a group of bonfire people get together/live together/destroy their dorm/destroy other people's dorm/act like 7 year olds in Sbisa, then yes, it is fair to say that "those bonfire people are acting like idiots and making bonfire as an organization look bad".

square1, so why judge bonfire based off of these idiots?

should we also judge texas a&m as a university off idiots as well?

should we judge the football team because a few mistakes some idiots make?

should we judge any sporting team?

if you love something and is passionate about an organization, group, or just something you enjoy... will you judge it off what you like most about it or what some idiots do?

and sbisa, i guess we should all sit down and start sippin tea and be all polite now.

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why bring unnecessary criticism and unfavorable attention to a fledgling organization?

A&M is big enough has been around long enough to not be the product of a few fools. However, bonfire does not have enough social credit and clout to endure a few dumbasses say...trashing a dorm, making a mess of the dining hall, saying "we don't care what the judge thinks, we're gonna do whatever we want", breaking kids jaws, or separating people's shoulders.

You see the difference?

bonfire has been around for quite a long time.

If only there was a saying about a few ruining things for the masses....

Oh, right. A few spoiled apples ruined the whole bunch? A few jackasses running rampant through campus who wear a bonfire shirt (or participate in it) ruins the reputation of everyone? Who would have thought...

I know I did my fair share of destructive things. Personally, nothing too bad. Might have sprayed some stuff on Walton, or placed a deer in Moses...or help dump a barrel of pee/fish/dead animals, but...most of that was due to dorms, not bonfire.

A lot of the time, it takes just a split second for you to think. Would I want this to happen to me? It is one thing to "borrow" something. It is another to advocate wantant destruction.

~egon

the whole shoulder dislocation was an accident. and those who were involved got disciplined for it

jaw breaking? if i am thinking what you are talking about. that person was also dropped from position. i am not too sure what you are talking about though.

plus, with or without the organization Student Bonfire... the dorms that act "rowdy" will continue to do so. they are the few who continues to be old army and practice the same traditions that was put in place before them. props to crocker, walton, fhk, hart, dunn, mcinnis, lechner, legett, neeley, schumacher, moore, sbk, and oc hogs. props to those who are left of hotard and moses. appelt, mosher, and aston will get reborn in the near future... appelt might already have.

egon you make a great point...

the so called destruction isnt because of bonfire... it is because of dorms.

Student Bonfire doesn't promote hatred upon each other.

just keeping your same ol' song.

You recognize that people view you as immature and destructive. You acknowledge that the things you do are immature and destructive. You realize that you do this on behalf of your dorm, but also with the people you're in bonfire with, and then claim that bonfire has no role in this whatsoever.

Like I've said, it is not sufficient to say that bonfire people are destructive, but when bonfire people do destructive and reckelss things, it reflects poorly on the organization, is this not accurate?

And walton, student bonfire =/= bonfire in my opinion and in several other peoples' opinon. It may to you, but not to all.

And even if the "shoulder dislocation thing" was an accident, it still happened on your watch and reflects upon you. Same with the jaw breaking incident. It doesn't spare you that you "dealt with it".

Here's something to consider...tell me how all of you feel about Fish Camp.

Welcome to the convo Terry. I had almost gotten use to having Bonfire conversations without the random crappings. Please take a moment to read the rest of the thread, before you go crapping on it in your typical fashion.


Bringing in points of shoulder separation or broken jaws is a very agenda drive angle. If someone defends it, then they look like they are promoting recklessness and lawlessness. Simple fact of the matter is, crap happens every day when playing around goes to far. This isn't limited to Bonfire folks. It's not limited to college kids. It happens everywhere. Does that mean we condone/encourage it? No. But does it mean that that particular group of people, regardless of their associations, are bad/reckless/lawless/pick your own adjective? No.

I recently saw a blog posting from a former student that I thought fitting, especially with how some of you think on the immaturity of acts in dining halls. Enjoy