This made me laugh way too hard

jokershady said:

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wangus12 said:

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AustinAg2K said:

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jokershady said:

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I am trying to figure out the handshake at the end with Ned…are we to suggest that somehow Jean doing that big power thing at the end got his memories back?

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I feel like that might have been a bit of a plot hole. They made it clear that MJ has zero memory of Peter. I can see the handshake by itself being more of a muscle memory/instinct thing; however, Ned then seems to realize who Peter is. That's the part that seemed like a bit of a plot hole, not the handshake itself. I think it would have been better to just have them do the handshake and have Ned say something along the lines of, "That was weird. How did I know to do that?"

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Ned is really smart and I think he simply puts things together. He's always had this thing for Spider-man thanks to being saved a lot during high school. Then they're hanging out having a blast. MJ calls him Peter in front of her. Then he has this muscle memory reaction to the handshake and hearing the name. I think he is realizing in the moment that mainly 1) That this Peter is also Spider-man and 2) That they have some sort of strange connection (erased past)

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Came up with an idea on the way home with the kids.

At the end of NWH, when Peter, MJ, and Ned are saying their goodbyes, Ned and Peter do the handshake.

Now…the spell makes everyone forget Peter Parker, not Spider-Man. They even mention a few times in the movie MJ and Ned having multiple memories of being rescued by Spider-Man and not knowing who he is. But they know Spider-Man.

So Ned would still remember doing the handshake with Spider-Man at the end of NWH. Then, he learns Spider-Man's name in BND is Peter. Then you have them interacting being friendly and quoting things they both knew about in BND.

Combine all that and you get:

1. Ned hanging out with Spider-Man getting unknown nostalgic memories.
2. Ned learning Spider-Man's name is Peter.
3. Ned doing a band shake he remembers doing with Spider-Man and at the same time realizing that Spider-Man is Peter.

Don't know if that's the angle they're going with but that's the best I got.

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In NWH Ned also shows some proclivity towards having kind of power when he's able to create a portal. My thought was that he's got a hint of Strange's power in him that maybe left a sliver of a memory when Peter was wiped.

Yeah dude I think that fits. It would explain how Ned connected the dots I mentioned in my post because he hadn't seen Peter's face yet…and slowly put it all together as the handshake was taking place at the end….and MJ had already seen Peter's face and knew there was a history between them she just didn't know what exactly….

Also explains why she visited him (were lead to believe anyway) in the hospital and left that drawing of him there…totally forgot about that until I read your post and that fits too….

Think we're just led to believe that she was able to jump out of the helicopter through someone quickly coming to see what the hell had just happened…

Jump out of the helicopter and bounce into someone before she hit the ground?

jokershady said:

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Yeah dude I think that fits. It would explain how Ned connected the dots I mentioned in my post because he hadn't seen Peter's face yet…and slowly put it all together as the handshake was taking place at the end….and MJ had already seen Peter's face and knew there was a history between them she just didn't know what exactly….

Also explains why she visited him (were lead to believe anyway) in the hospital and left that drawing of him there…totally forgot about that until I read your post and that fits too….

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I assumed she visited Peter in the hospital because they had become friends, and because she read the letter and could tell in their little interaction that what he wrote was legit and they probably did love each other even if she didn't now (at least not yet).

I rewatched NWH, and when Ned and Peter do the handshake, Peter has the Spider-Man costume on except for the mask. So, he is half Spider-Man, half Peter. I think this might have helped Ned bridge the two worlds.

Re: the Hand, I think it was just the most dynamic he could make final goons without a load of exposition. It was like 1-2 lines, whereas a lineup of Scorpion, Tarantula, etc from the opening montage would have needed some legwork and foreshadowing. I'm one of the very few people that kinda like the Hand but it was probably as good a final fight as we could have gotten without a totally different movie.

Perhaps to put it more concisely: mafia goons would be way too easy/boring, named characters would take way too much work. So this got the job done at the very low expense of a few members of a criminal org. the Netflix shows already did to death.

Re: Jean… I wouldn't be surprised if the official stance of Marvel Studios is that Jean didn't kill a single person by the end of this film. Yes she drove a tank through town but I don't believe Spidey was bantering with Punisher while lives were actually being lost. This isn't Man of Steel.

The one exception is the dude who got hit by a car. I'd have to rewatch. But I bet the way Marvel excuses Jean walking away at the end is that nobody died and that dude had a full recovery, as implausible as it may seem. Otherwise, yeah, Jean kinda sucks.

They had to make her a convincing villain without being so villainous that you can't forgive her. If they go light on her, it's too predictable a 180. If they go too heavy, it tarnishes X-Men. So I'd bet money she didn't actually kill a single person.

Regarding the Hand, I thought the flight scene was bad ass. Also, they weren't all killed so they can always come back in some other movie. I feel like their time with Damage Control can be written off as being manipulated by Milchik and later they go back to being an evil crime ring.

Exactly, and that sets Charles up to be the moral compass with Erik on the other side.

I'm curious how they're going to approach him (Erik) in particular in this iteration, he needs some kind of serious trauma in his backstory.

So unless I missed it, don't think anyone's discussed the end credits scene…

Why was I hearing reports about people booing this? Pretty sure this confirms a rumorfrom Doomsday whichif you haven't heard the rumor on how Doomsday starts I strongly encourage you to:

1. Don't go searching for it
2. Don't read what I'm about to black out

Pretty sure this confirms the rumored beginning of an incursion with Toby McGuires Spider-Mans world coming in to earth 616s. That's why the spidey detector was showing an unknown Spider-Man from space. And if this is true, this also might confirms the rumor of Toby's death at the beginning of Doomsday. We'll see cause it's still a rumor….just like Jean Grey was….

rhutton125 said:

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You know, Jean in this movie is a good example of why mutants are more often feared than not. "What happens if you give a nuclear bomb to a pissed off teenager?" See: Spider-Man Brand New Day.

Also, several prominent X-Men actually come from villainous first appearances. Rogue was an Avengers villain at first, before she put Captain Marvel into a coma (oops) and then turned on her "mother" (Mystique) who was using her. Later she turns up at Xavier's doorstep looking for a clean start.

Emma Frost is, essentially, a dark Xavier with her own crew of misfit students. Just way less altruistic, until she eventually comes around and becomes an X-Man proper.

Gambit is a thief. Storm is a thief. Magneto is a terrorist. Wolverine is a mad dog. Whether they're introduced in X-Men or in some other avenue (maybe Storm in Black Panther 3..?), it doesn't take much to show how someone with "unearned" superpowers, with less than pure motives, might contribute to the idea that mutants as a whole are dangerous and can't be trusted.

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You guys are both correct and have solid points. I guess my issue comes down to why wouldn't the MCU use one of those many, many already-established examples instead of making a fundamental change in one of their S-tier good guys?

Oh well, I'll stop *****ing about it and just see how it falls out in the future movies. I do like the Emma Frost casting, and do like Calie Spaeny as an actress. What will be key for me is the Prof X and Magneto castings.

those Hand were young, low level grunts (as low level as a Ninja can be i guess). Definitely not the leadership that have been living for hundreds of years. They were told to work for Damage Control or be locked up forever. This is the first foreshadowing in the movie that DODC is not 100% honest with Peter (which you should already know from Homecoming, Ms Marvel, and Wonder Man, and also from the scenes of the prison fight in the trailer).

This is an interesting watch:

Except Spider-Man is Sony owned and they basically lease it out to Disney…Marvel only gets 25% of that spidey cash.

Think that's why it'll be a long shot to ever see Miles Morales in a MCU film…Sony doesn't want to share that and why should they?

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I wondered if these were referential when i watched the movie

jokershady said:

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Except Spider-Man is Sony owned and they basically lease it out to Disney…Marvel only gets 25% of that spidey cash.

Think that's why it'll be a long shot to ever see Miles Morales in a MCU film…Sony doesn't want to share that and why should they?

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Feige very recently said that they have plans for a live action Miles, not sure of the legal/contractual implications.

Yeah I'm pretty sure all the Spider-Man universe characters, including Miles or Venom or Vulture or whoever, are part of that Sony deal. (Kingpin is the exception.)

If Sony wants to transition to Miles, they can, but it won't be a way for Marvel to slip out of the arrangement or anything. It'd just be handing the reins down to the next generation, essentially. And frankly I'm in no rush for them to do that.

Question 1) how long is Holland planning (contracted) to play Peter Parker? A Holland retirement from the MCU is the perfect entryway for a Morales Spidey.

Question 2) if Marvel said, "Hey Sony, we also want to introduce Miles Morales into our live MCU, what do ya think?", do we think Sony would look at the box office returns of the Holland Spidey movies (dwarfing anything Sony has tried to do Spidey-related on their own) and say, "nah, we're good, you guys can't use him"? Sure, Marvel would love to get all of the Spidey revenue, but at this point just the percentage portion they get plus the interest that Spidey generates for the MCU is worth it even if Sony holds onto all Spidey-related rights forever.