American Primeval

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I binged it this weekend. It was great! I also loved that it was a limited series and reached its conclusion without needlessly dragging out the story.

If I had to pick one minor complaint, I wish they'd used a more contemporary soundtrack. However, I get that the electronic instruments and effects were useful for filling the soundscape with a sense of doom.
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is it weird that I converted to LDS over the weekend after watching?
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Loaded said:

I binged it this weekend. It was great! I also loved that it was a limited series and reached its conclusion without needlessly dragging out the story.

If I had to pick one minor complaint, I wish they'd used a more contemporary soundtrack. However, I get that the electronic instruments and effects were useful for filling the soundscape with a sense of doom.


Soundtrack didn't bother me, but I'm a big Explosions in the Sky fan. I think Berg has collaborated with them multiple times on his films/projects
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Welcome to the club!
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Were the Indians portrayed in an idealized, PC manner, or in a realistic manner?
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Buck Turgidson said:

Were the Indians portrayed in an idealized, PC manner, or in a realistic manner?


They were portrayed in a badass manner
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Just finished it about 10 mins ago. Great series! Definitely violent, so if you don't like that, it might be hard to get past.
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I'm not one to ever give much thought to a soundtrack but I was able to pick up the drawn out notes of "this land is my land… this land is your land…" over some impactful moments which I thought was really well done.
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Really enjoying this, but it's pretty violent and difficult to watch at times.
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Buck Turgidson said:

Were the Indians portrayed in an idealized, PC manner, or in a realistic manner?
There is a little bit of political correctness in their portrayal, but it's subtle. I wouldn't let it stop you from watching if the subject matter is interesting to you.
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Buck Turgidson said:

Were the Indians portrayed in an idealized, PC manner, or in a realistic manner?

Edited to remove spoilers. Pretty unrealistic depiction of treatment of white women captives.
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P.H. Dexippus said:

Buck Turgidson said:

Were the Indians portrayed in an idealized, PC manner, or in a realistic manner?

Edited to remove spoilers. Pretty unrealistic depiction of treatment of white women captives.


Was it though? Depends on the tribe…
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Peter Berg bought the farm pretty quick.

Also, it was hard to look past Raising Hope at times.

Loved this limited series and wish that there were more like it.
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Buck Turgidson said:

Were the Indians portrayed in an idealized, PC manner, or in a realistic manner?

realistic

except of course Red Feather and the Shoshonoe would never have just murdered a bunch of attractive white women without either taking them as slaves first
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LMCane said:

Buck Turgidson said:

Were the Indians portrayed in an idealized, PC manner, or in a realistic manner?

realistic

except of course Red Feather and the Shoshonoe would never have just murdered a bunch of attractive white women without either taking them as slaves first
prob true, although I'd argue only a couple were attractive
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Have two episodes left to watch. I would describe as brutal.
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Bluto said:

Just finished it about 10 mins ago. Great series! Definitely violent, so if you don't like that, it might be hard to get past.
I find your comment interesting, given

I couldn't watch more than 15 minutes or so. It gave me the vibe of some nihilistic Blood Meridian where every man in the past - every single one - was brutally violent. A woman traveling west alone (okay) arrives at a fort where she is surrounded by men who all look like they want to rape her. The next scene is of an Indian who is going to rape someone.

That was it for me. It was a vibe of the entirety of our past being depicted as brutally violent and devoid of all humanity and goodness.

I am not denying the terrifying and brutal nature of the frontier and Indian conflicts, it just appeared to me within the matter of minutes as I said above - a nihilistic Blood Meridian.
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AGinHI said:

Bluto said:

Just finished it about 10 mins ago. Great series! Definitely violent, so if you don't like that, it might be hard to get past.
I find your comment interesting, given

I couldn't watch more than 15 minutes or so. It gave me the vibe of some nihilistic Blood Meridian where every man in the past - every single one - was brutally violent. A woman traveling west alone (okay) arrives at a fort where she is surrounded by men who all look like they want to rape her. The next scene is of an Indian who is going to rape someone.

That was it for me. It was a vibe of the entirety of our past being depicted as brutally violent and devoid of all humanity and goodness.

I am not denying the terrifying and brutal nature of the frontier and Indian conflicts, it just appeared to me within the matter of minutes as I said above - a nihilistic Blood Meridian.


That's fair and also annoys me, but the enjoyment overtook the annoyance for me. But yes, it annoys me that it will feed the handmaid's tale men/christians/americans are evil crowd. The west was rough, but you could walk around most places without getting brutally murdered or raped in seconds for simply existing, especially when you were surrounded by people in your same peer group
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Show is brutal af. Good though. Gonna have to rewatch it because so many people look the same and I lose track of what's going on and who is who.
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RightWingConspirator said:

Welcome to the club!


BYU's gonna shock the nation and win it all next year I can feel it. For ZION…Let's flippin go!
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Thought it was great. If you can't handle Indian/ Morman violence then don't watch it.
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AGinHI said:

Bluto said:

Just finished it about 10 mins ago. Great series! Definitely violent, so if you don't like that, it might be hard to get past.
I find your comment interesting, given

I couldn't watch more than 15 minutes or so. It gave me the vibe of some nihilistic Blood Meridian where every man in the past - every single one - was brutally violent. A woman traveling west alone (okay) arrives at a fort where she is surrounded by men who all look like they want to rape her. The next scene is of an Indian who is going to rape someone.

That was it for me. It was a vibe of the entirety of our past being depicted as brutally violent and devoid of all humanity and goodness.

I am not denying the terrifying and brutal nature of the frontier and Indian conflicts, it just appeared to me within the matter of minutes as I said above - a nihilistic Blood Meridian.


It displays a lot of good in humanity as well imo. But yeah, if you only watch the first little bit, you'll never get to that. It's a great story beginning to end. Don't think my wife would want to watch it with me though. Even the eventual positive and "touching" parts are eventually followed by brutal violence.
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RightWingConspirator said:

Welcome to the club!


Removed post for tasteless humor
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Anytime a female character is asked to not go anywhere:
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saw a few minutes of an interview with Kitsch where he discussed in the first week he broke his foot and they had a boot on it and he would have sutlers come over and take him down off the horse every scene
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LMCane said:

saw a few minutes of an interview with Kitsch where he discussed in the first week he broke his foot and they had a boot on it and he would have sutlers come over and take him down off the horse every scene


Geez, possibly the worst type of film set for something like that. Maybe aside from a military action flick or something.

Dude is nails in pretty much every role imo. Seems like a pretty normal dude by Hollywood standards too.
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ExpressAg11 said:

Anytime a female character is asked to not go anywhere:

OMFG, THIS!

Every major female character on every show from Grays Anatomy to Lioness be like:

I have to disobey direct orders to meet my own needs despite mass casualties and severe consequences. My team gets shot up or the hospital blows up? Oh well, at least I had the moral high ground....
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I enjoyed it but one thing that I got tired of was the jumping around. I know this is nitpicky but one day they are in WY and the next they are in Southern Utah and vice versa. This supposedly takes place in a matter of weeks and I doubt you could travel that fast back then.
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BurnetAggie99 said:

RightWingConspirator said:

Funny. My expectation backed by countless other shows is that it will be an unrealistic and unfair portrayal of the LDS faith. Hope I'm wrong.


Between the Mountain Meadows Massacre & the Utah War (1857-1858), also known as the Utah Expedition,the Utah Campaign,the Mormon War or the Mormon Rebellion the LDS was pretty violent. The US Army had to be dispatched.


Honestly, they're lucky they didn't get treated like the Indians. That's what I would have done.
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AggieLumberjack said:

I enjoyed it but one thing that I got tired of was the jumping around. I know this is nitpicky but one day they are in WY and the next they are in Southern Utah and vice versa. This supposedly takes place in a matter of weeks and I doubt you could travel that fast back then.


I was curious about the geography as well. Salt Lake to Bridger isn't actually that far, so not as big of a deal when it came to Young and the Mormons going to Bridger. But the Meadows massacre was way at the SW side of the state so lots of stretching credulity when it came to anything involving that.

The bigger nitpick I had was the lack of solitude. They're in a very sparsely populated area in difficult terrain and everyone was always running into other people and groups. I felt like they could have captured the solitude and difficulty of the terrain better instead of just relying on the humans to impart the danger and harshness.

They also leaned into the noble savage stereotype a little too much. Not quite as much as you might expect from Hollywood standards, but still a borderline eye rolling amount.

All that said, it was still pretty good, and very good by NetFlix standards.

I'm curious how based in reality the Bridger stuff is. I thought he was the best character in the show, along with the cavalry captain.
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DTP02 said:

AggieLumberjack said:

I enjoyed it but one thing that I got tired of was the jumping around. I know this is nitpicky but one day they are in WY and the next they are in Southern Utah and vice versa. This supposedly takes place in a matter of weeks and I doubt you could travel that fast back then.


I was curious about the geography as well. Salt Lake to Bridger isn't actually that far, so not as big of a deal when it came to Young and the Mormons going to Bridger. But the Meadows massacre was way at the SW side of the state so lots of stretching credulity when it came to anything involving thaf.

The bigger nitpick I had was the lack of solitude. They're in a very sparsely populated area in difficult terrain and everyone was always running into other people and groups. I felt like they could have captured the solitude and difficulty of the terrain better instead of just relying on the humans to impart the danger and harshness.

They also leaned into the noble savage stereotype a little too much. Not quite as much as you might expect from Hollywood standards, but still a borderline eye rolling amount.

All that said, it was still pretty good, and very good by NetFlix standards.

I'm curious how based in reality the Bridger stuff is. I thought he was the best character in the show, along with the cavalry captain.
To be fair, if they were to ever make an accurate movie, it would be extremely slow, boring and unwatchable. The world's first accurate movie would be sure to tank. I hope they never even try to make one.

Agreed on the "noble savage" part, but that was kind of balanced by the "noble Army commander" role. Even had a "noble blood thirsty bandit" role.

I don't think America is ready for a truly accurate depiction of Native Americans either. "Hostiles" kind of portrayed this a little more than American Primeval. Would be hard to watch a movie where a bunch of maniacal indians gang rape a settler's wife and child in front of him and then burning them alive, while laughing and making him watch, before torturing him to death. Or tying an infant to the back of a horse and dragging it back and forth through thorny brush as the captive mother watched in terror.

All that said, I do believe that by the mid to late 1850's there were somewhat peaceful tribes that weren't out to kill everyone who was not part of their group.
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DTP02 said:



I'm curious how based in reality the Bridger stuff is. I thought he was the best character in the show, along with the cavalry captain.
Shea Whigham and Walton Goggins are two guys who will never be Hollywood superstar studs who absolutely murder everything they are in. Any genre...cast them, and they will more than carry their load. Two of my favorite actors.
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I don't know how much of the fort stuff was accurate but Bridger was a real person (one of the few in this series that was based on an actual person).
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ExpressAg11 said:

I don't know how much of the fort stuff was accurate but Bridger was a real person (one of the few in this series that was based on an actual person).


Yeah I know he was a real person and some of his story, but not anything about interactions with the Mormons and Fort Bridger.
 
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