Just for fun I checked the seating charts at some of the biggest theatres in San Antonio and less than an hour until the 6 pm showing tonight there are two seats reserved at the Santikos Palladium. I know it is Monday but still, two seats?

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I'm loving every second of this movie's failure.

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It's a movie that on every level deserves to fail, so it's great to see it fail.

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This isn't that. It has nothing to do with anybody's misfortune. When bad ideas get implemented, they need to fail so they don't grow and spread. Seeing bad things fail isn't schadenfreude. It's just a good thing that deserves to be celebrated.

It's at $67 million domestic so far, but if this week's box office follows the trend of the weekend, it likely tops out at maybe $73 million for the week. I think it tops $100 million in week 7 if it makes it that far. We'll see how much of a hit it takes with Minecraft coming out. Minecraft may bomb too though. The initial trailer was not well received.

Maybe for you. It's true schadenfreude for many of us. The same bad ideas have been being pushed by many of the same kinds of incompetent people in Hollywood for a long time.

Disney is PEPPERING Facebook with posts saying things like "#1 movie in the world!". Clearly they're having to resort to free social media marketing because they can't afford to throw more down the drain. Go woke, go broke. *****es!

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Disney is PEPPERING Facebook with posts saying things like "#1 movie in the world!". Clearly they're having to resort to free social media marketing because they can't afford to throw more down the drain. Go woke, go broke. *****es!

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They've been pushing that line on tv commercials too, so they're still spending plenty.

Popping back in only to underline, with a concrete example I just came across, of what I've been echoing for a while now, that "Hollywood" is just as sick of this **** as some of you are. I've been accused multiple times in this thread of arguing in the past that Hollywood isn't liberal when, in reality, what I've actually been saying is that A) "Hollywood" is not a monolith, B) there are hundreds of thousands of normal, hard working industry people in this town, many of whom are more middle-of-the-road than you might think, and C) even a number of actors/celebrities themselves have grown tired of the ultra woke crap (as expressed below). In other words, this is why I always bristle or push back when the same handful of folks here always stereotype in the most ridiculous ways, or wish this town would burn to the ground or whatever. You're not wrong that they are loud, vocal crazies at the top. What you're about is that everyone in this town shares their same values...

Seth Rogen drops many fascinating industry insights in this Variety interview about “The Studio,” but this one about fake progressivism in Hollywood may be my favorite pic.twitter.com/x43DhUgMg9

— Jace Serrano (@JaceSerrano) April 1, 2025

Lol... Seth Rogen is one of the biggest woke ******bags in Hollywood.

Yeah... Rogen is totally fine with progressivism crapping on other people, but when it starts to impact him it becomes something to parody and ridicule.

But to address TCCTS's point, Hollywood may not exactly be the ultra progressive circle jerk that some make it out to be, but it is certainly far more leftist and progressive compared to the rest of the country. Democratic voters in LA have outnumbered Republicans 2/1 for 35 years, and 3/1 at points in there. It's not a stretch to say that his calibration of what is centrist or normal is skewed leftward by living in a place that is overwhelmingly liberal and progressive. That's just basic availability bias. He may really think that Hollywood is just like everywhere else because he doesn't live everywhere else, just like so many people here overestimate his liberal LA is because they don't live there.

Good Lord, I don't live in some hermetically sealed bubble shut off from conservatives or the internet.

I have right-leaning friends out here, I lived in Texas for 25 years, I go back all the time, my family is all hardcore conservatives/has been in the oil business for generations, I talk to them and my conservative friends back home all the damn time, I read F16 not infrequently, etc.

Also, I never said that LA wasn't far more leftist and progressive compared to the rest of the country.

Of course it is.

Nor do I don't think that "Hollywood is just like everywhere else."

Again, I'm simply saying that "Hollywood" is ALSO more than just celebrities who spout nonsense on social media/in interviews or execs making sure ridiculous diversity quotas are met. And that, when wishing "Hollywood" would burn to the ground or fall off into the ocean or whatever, those wishes are also being directed at hundreds of thousands of Average Joes who simply work in this industry to support their families and don't share the far-left, ultra-woke views of the people they often share a set with.

It's like if I constantly posted on F16, calling everyone on the right racists, wishing Texas would be decimated by tornados. It's just weird, deranged overkill, that's all.

You also said this movie was going to make **** tons of money and even pegged it to make just under $500 million about two weeks ago while everyone that said it was going to bomb hard. It will struggle to maybe half that.

Maybe you live in a smaller ideological bubble than you think.

I haven't really contributed any serious thoughts to this thread because lord knows there's been enough already, lol. But I think there's a couple of things at play that might skew the general public's perception of "Hollywood".

For starters, in my experience Progressive people tend to be more vocal in general. No matter the workplace (Hollywood or your typical corporate office), Progressives are the "squeeky wheel" looking to get greased. They just absolutely must bring attention to their Cause de Jour. I see it in my workplace, where everyone else just wants to go about their work but the virtue-signaling Progressive employee just has to bring everyone's attention the new committee for such-and-such, or the new calendar date that's been set aside to celebrate the contributions of such-and-such group.

Then also consider the outsized attention our country pays to celebrities. They have such an outsized soapbox to shout from nowadays that it can seem like all you read about in the news is what's going on in Hollywood. And to make it worse, the higher level actors likely live such an insulated life surrounded by sychophants that they truly believe the whole world agrees with them.

So if you combine those factors, you end up with a minority group of extremely Progressive actors/singers insisting that their worldview must be shouted for all to hear, and unfortunately thanks to our media-driven celebrity obsession the voices of this minority group are amplified by orders of magnitude beyond what they should be.

So I can honestly believe that the majority of people building set pieces, performing stunts, or holding a mike boom are legit in "the center" or maybe "center-left" and just want to do their job. Unfortunately they get lumped in with the loudmouth actor who thinks they're smarter and more evolved because they can memorize lines. Kind of like my conservative educator wife who gets a bad rap because of the crazy crap by teacher's unions and lunatic liberal teachers.

It had better hope it has a nice second life in streaming, because if not it's going to lose 9 figures. Just the culmination of years and years of criminal laziness, myopia and a an almost comical bubble mentality at Disney.

They say they are changing, we will see, gonna take a lot to win back a whole lot of groups of people. No one will just assume a Disney movie is automatically worth going to see anymore.

Convenient how you left out the part where the "tons of money" prediction was from last AUGUST, before all the latest drama and Disney basically abandoned the movie. Or where I was CONTINUALLY saying in this thread that it had the CHANCE to make just under $500m IF reviews were good/it had legs. I didn't say it was going to succeed, I simply said there was still opportunity for it not to fail.

Never mind that I also even personally rooted for it to fail multiple times in this thread as a message to Disney, re: these dumb, soulless, live-action remakes.

But you guys of course only read/quote what you want to. Subtlety, nuance, and context clues have never been the strong suit of those constantly on the attack.

Very well said/articulated and my exact point.

I don't doubt that there are non-lefties in Hollywood, but the next time I see/read an interview with a right-leaning gaffer will be the first time.

Fact is, Hollywood is represented mostly by their most visible component, the actors. Some directors or producers might get some public facing time, but it's the actors that drive perceptions of Hollywood. They tend to be liberals. People have grown beyond weary of their constant advocating for political positions and policies that they know to not be good or reflective of the America they grew up in.

When's the last time you read an interview with a gaffer taking about politics?

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When's the last time you read an interview with a gaffer taking about politics?

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When was the last time you actually read a complete sentence?

… will be the first time means something, does it not?

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When's the last time you read an interview with a gaffer taking about politics?

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When was the last time you actually read a complete sentence?

… will be the first time means something, does it not?

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It doesnt if there wasn't a last time. Do you read many interviews with gaffers detailing their political views either way?

My point is that you have no clue what any of those people's politics are because they're not on the record talking about them. Your point about actors being far more visible is very valid, but that one is pure conjecture.

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Yeah... Rogen is totally fine with progressivism crapping on other people, but when it starts to impact him it becomes something to parody and ridicule.

But to address TCCTS's point, Hollywood may not exactly be the ultra progressive circle jerk that some make it out to be, but it is certainly far more leftist and progressive compared to the rest of the country. Democratic voters in LA have outnumbered Republicans 2/1 for 35 years, and 3/1 at points in there. It's not a stretch to say that his calibration of what is centrist or normal is skewed leftward by living in a place that is overwhelmingly liberal and progressive. That's just basic availability bias. He may really think that Hollywood is just like everywhere else because he doesn't live everywhere else, just like so many people here overestimate his liberal LA is because they don't live there.

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You guys keep burying the lead. is an ultra progressive circle jerk done at like double the speed or is there some sort of higher level geometry involved? Is it like duck duck goose with your pants down?

A guy that quit TexAgs, running interference for a guy that quit this thread.

Yet here we are.

Never change, Entertainment Board.

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fig96 said:

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When's the last time you read an interview with a gaffer taking about politics?

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When was the last time you actually read a complete sentence?

… will be the first time means something, does it not?

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It doesnt if there wasn't a last time. Do you read many interviews with gaffers detailing their political views either way?

My point is that you have no clue what any of those people's politics are because they're not on the record talking about them. Your point about actors being far more visible is very valid, but that one is pure conjecture.

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The point is that the next time there is such an interview will be the first time, simply because those are interviews that are never conducted. In a different context, the next time I see an A&M coach in baseball or men's basketball hoist a national championship trophy, it will be the first time since it has never happened.

No, I don't have a clue about any behind the scenes people or their politics, you are correct about that.

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Yeah... Rogen is totally fine with progressivism crapping on other people, but when it starts to impact him it becomes something to parody and ridicule.

But to address TCCTS's point, Hollywood may not exactly be the ultra progressive circle jerk that some make it out to be, but it is certainly far more leftist and progressive compared to the rest of the country. Democratic voters in LA have outnumbered Republicans 2/1 for 35 years, and 3/1 at points in there. It's not a stretch to say that his calibration of what is centrist or normal is skewed leftward by living in a place that is overwhelmingly liberal and progressive. That's just basic availability bias. He may really think that Hollywood is just like everywhere else because he doesn't live everywhere else, just like so many people here overestimate his liberal LA is because they don't live there.

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While LA and the west coast is certainly more liberal than much of the country, I always wonder where people live when I hear things like this.

The counties encompassing big cities in Texas voted from +5 to almost +40 Democrat in the 2024 election and most big cities in other states lean that way as well.

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Yeah... Rogen is totally fine with progressivism crapping on other people, but when it starts to impact him it becomes something to parody and ridicule.

But to address TCCTS's point, Hollywood may not exactly be the ultra progressive circle jerk that some make it out to be, but it is certainly far more leftist and progressive compared to the rest of the country. Democratic voters in LA have outnumbered Republicans 2/1 for 35 years, and 3/1 at points in there. It's not a stretch to say that his calibration of what is centrist or normal is skewed leftward by living in a place that is overwhelmingly liberal and progressive. That's just basic availability bias. He may really think that Hollywood is just like everywhere else because he doesn't live everywhere else, just like so many people here overestimate his liberal LA is because they don't live there.

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While LA and the west coast is certainly more liberal than much of the country, I always wonder where people live when I hear things like this.

The counties encompassing big cities in Texas voted from +5 to almost +40 Democrat in the 2024 election and most big cities in other states lean that way as well.

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We are slowly morphing into the Eloy and the Morlocks.

Finally, somebody gets it.

Also, Monday box office was only $1.3 million. That's a 45% drop WoW. $100 million domestic is probably the ceiling for this based on what we know so far. That could change, but current trends point to just about or maybe just over $100 million by week 7ish. I can't see it lasting super long with its current gross, though

*cough* bull**** *cough*

After Spilner brought up your earlier prediction about this being a huge box office for the spring and Snow White making a **** ton of money and asked if you wanted to change it, you responded:






And then this after going about how the movie wasn't as bad as everyone else thought it was because the initial positive reviews weren't all from Disney shills:

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Whereas Snow White has virtually no competition, save for Minecraft, for weeks and weeks and weeks, at a time when most family movies are currently over-performing. In other words, even if Snow White only does $50M this weekend, again, outside of Minecraft, it basically has a six-week runway until Thunderbolts*, and a NINE-WEEK runway until the next legit family blockbuster, Lilo & Stitch.

To be clear, as I said before, I think everything about this movie has been exhausting. I think it looks terrible, I think Gal Gadot is a bad actress, and I find Rachel Zegler to be increasingly annoying/entitled.

I'm not rooting for this movie to succeed.

My only point is, if it's is even halfway decent, because of how starved families are for family fare, and given how barren the family movie landscape is until summer, it's likely not going to be the bomb so many clearly want it to be - even if it doesn't have a massive opening weekend - and that it could, in fact, end up be a decent-sized hit.

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And only THEN you started to hedge and talk about word of mouth after agdoc days you probably overestimating the probability of success.

Seriously, can you not read?

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My only point is, if it's is even halfway decent, because of how starved families are for family fare, and given how barren the family movie landscape is until summer, it's likely not going to be the bomb so many clearly want it to be - even if it doesn't have a massive opening weekend - and that it could, in fact, end up be a decent-sized hit.

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"if," "likely," "could"

No where did I say it WILL. Also, this was days BEFORE the movie came out, when my statement was clearly contingent on possible good reviews to come, after that initial round, which the movie then went on to NOT receive, seeing as it's currently at 40% on RT, well below even "decent."

Two weeks ago, when that very first round of positive social media reactions hit, did I think it could perform better? Yes. Turns out it didn't, but I've been here every step of the way acknowledging as much, following/analyzing the numbers right alongside you guys.

JFC, man, we're starting to veer into "psychotic" territory with how obsessed some of you are over nitpicking this *****

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O/U $500M worldwide?

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I'll say just slightly under.

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No, "if," "likely," or, "could" to be found... Sounds a lot more like, "will" than, "might," to me, but maybe I'm just an idiot who can't read words that aren't there.

Right. And THEN came my post that you quoted, where I immediately clarified with contingencies.

Holy ****, dude, get some help. You're OBSESSED.

Perhaps I use the term "likely" wrong

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Right. And THEN came my post that you quoted, where I immediately clarified with contingencies.

Holy ****, dude, get some help. You're OBSESSED.

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Do you ever get tired of the histrionics?