WES2006AG said:

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This thread turned out exactly how everyone thought it would. Can't wait for the somewhat near future when people can stop pushing their religious superstitions on the rest of us. Young people increasingly don't care about your "faith" and that is going to make this country a better place.

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Yeah, much much better place. Suicide, depression, drug addiction...all on the rise, and very likely to continue. Blue secular cities much much worse off than just a handful of yrs ago. Screw that, the 80's and 90's was the "better place". The youth will never even get a slight taste of that. I would hate to be born now...compared to what I was fortunate enough to experience.

You think peoples' "faith" is responsible for all of this? Once we just become entirely atheistic/secular, we will reach that shining place on the hill...LOL

The most jaw dropping atrocities have been carried out in secular countries where religion is virtually nonexistent. Talking about tens and hundreds of millions of people being killed and/or persecuted

WES2006AG said:

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This thread turned out exactly how everyone thought it would. Can't wait for the somewhat near future when people can stop pushing their religious superstitions on the rest of us. Young people increasingly don't care about your "faith" and that is going to make this country a better place.

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Spoken like someone who has absolutely zero concept of history and it's applications.

So much ignorance masked in self-assurance and passive-aggressiveness.

Kudos.

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WES2006AG said:

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This thread turned out exactly how everyone thought it would. Can't wait for the somewhat near future when people can stop pushing their religious superstitions on the rest of us. Young people increasingly don't care about your "faith" and that is going to make this country a better place.

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Spoken like someone who has absolutely zero concept of history and it's applications.

So much ignorance masked in self-assurance and passive-aggressiveness.

Kudos.

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Skyrocketing suicide, depression, addiction rates, decaying cities, along with plummeting marriage and birth rates are all hallmark indicators of a magnificent civilization on the rise! More gay/trans content for babies and toddlers and throwing away bibles and just listening to purple haired leftists with pierced septums on how to run the country is the proper way forward.

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I always love when childless libs (usually from self-affirming and virtue signaling bubbles, like Brooklyn/Hollywood etc.) tell people they are crazy/bigoted for not wanting to have conversations with their 3-4 year olds over why two men just kissed on screen. Same people would be pretty vocal if there was a modern Disney animation with overtly Christian themes...or even subtle.

If a gay person's value or sense of self-worth hinges on presence of gay lifestyles and activity being portrayed in Rated G film and TV, they have much bigger issues that should probably be addressed by a professional.

Sorry, to tens of millions of people, Aladdin kissing Genie is just not the same as Aladdin kissing Jasmine. I know you cannot even begin to wrap your conditioned minds around this. Tens of millions of "slackjawed hate filled bigots" lol. But a bunch of hipsters in Brooklyn and Hollywood on your side share your sentiment. I am sure they are right and the masses are wrong...like always.

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I hesitate to dive into this, but I do love how you stereotype anyone with a different opinion than you as a "lib", "hipster", etc.

Most people sit in the middle and not on your hyper partisan f16 driven side.

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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I always love when childless libs (usually from self-affirming and virtue signaling bubbles, like Brooklyn/Hollywood etc.) tell people they are crazy/bigoted for not wanting to have conversations with their 3-4 year olds over why two men just kissed on screen. Same people would be pretty vocal if there was a modern Disney animation with overtly Christian themes...or even subtle.

If a gay person's value or sense of self-worth hinges on presence of gay lifestyles and activity being portrayed in Rated G film and TV, they have much bigger issues that should probably be addressed by a professional.

Sorry, to tens of millions of people, Aladdin kissing Genie is just not the same as Aladdin kissing Jasmine. I know you cannot even begin to wrap your conditioned minds around this. Tens of millions of "slackjawed hate filled bigots" lol. But a bunch of hipsters in Brooklyn and Hollywood on your side share your sentiment. I am sure they are right and the masses are wrong...like always.

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I hesitate to dive into this, but I do love how you stereotype anyone with a different opinion than you as a "lib", "hipster", etc.

Most people sit in the middle and not on your hyper partisan f16 driven side.

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I am sorry, if someone can't even comprehend how or why anyone might not want their 3 yr old to see dudes or chicks kissing on their child programming, they're a lib to me. Not being open minded enough to grasp that type of concept, and thinking that type of position makes someone dumb, or bigoted, or a puritan who wants to force Christianity on others...is a pretty good indicator. Can't help it.

I would say most parents in this country, at least outside of the staunchly blue coastal cities, would prefer NOT to have gays kissing in programming for babies/toddlers actually, if given the choice. We are talking tens of millions of people. Not just a relative few fringe hyper partisan internet posters.

Brittmoore Car Club said:

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fig96 said:

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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I always love when childless libs (usually from self-affirming and virtue signaling bubbles, like Brooklyn/Hollywood etc.) tell people they are crazy/bigoted for not wanting to have conversations with their 3-4 year olds over why two men just kissed on screen. Same people would be pretty vocal if there was a modern Disney animation with overtly Christian themes...or even subtle.

If a gay person's value or sense of self-worth hinges on presence of gay lifestyles and activity being portrayed in Rated G film and TV, they have much bigger issues that should probably be addressed by a professional.

Sorry, to tens of millions of people, Aladdin kissing Genie is just not the same as Aladdin kissing Jasmine. I know you cannot even begin to wrap your conditioned minds around this. Tens of millions of "slackjawed hate filled bigots" lol. But a bunch of hipsters in Brooklyn and Hollywood on your side share your sentiment. I am sure they are right and the masses are wrong...like always.

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I hesitate to dive into this, but I do love how you stereotype anyone with a different opinion than you as a "lib", "hipster", etc.

Most people sit in the middle and not on your hyper partisan f16 driven side.

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I am sorry, if someone can't even comprehend how or why anyone might not want their 3 yr old to see dudes or chicks kissing on their child programming, they're a lib to me. Not being open minded enough to grasp that type of concept, and thinking that type of position makes someone dumb, or bigoted, or a puritan who wants to force Christianity on others...is a pretty good indicator. Can't help it.

I would say most parents in this country, at least outside of the staunchly blue coastal cities, would prefer NOT to have gays kissing in programming for babies/toddlers actually, if given the choice. We are talking tens of millions of people. Not just a relative few fringe hyper partisan internet posters.

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The main topic we've been discussing is a PG rated animated sci-fi movie, but we're all definitely pushing to have 3 year olds watch dudes making out.

Brittmoore Car Club said:

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I always love when childless libs (usually from self-affirming and virtue signaling bubbles, like Brooklyn/Hollywood etc.) tell people they are crazy/bigoted for not wanting to have conversations with their 3-4 year olds over why two men just kissed on screen. Same people would be pretty vocal if there was a modern Disney animation with overtly Christian themes...or even subtle.

If a gay person's value or sense of self-worth hinges on presence of gay lifestyles and activity being portrayed in Rated G film and TV, they have much bigger issues that should probably be addressed by a professional.

Sorry, to tens of millions of people, Aladdin kissing Genie is just not the same as Aladdin kissing Jasmine. I know you cannot even begin to wrap your conditioned minds around this. Tens of millions of "slackjawed hate filled bigots" lol. But a bunch of hipsters in Brooklyn and Hollywood on your side share your sentiment. I am sure they are right and the masses are wrong...like always.

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If you're responding to me, which you obviously are but are too afraid to directly speak your mind, then you just proved my point about the reconstruction or refutation of parents' (or guardians') relationships.

If you actually talk to gay people in real life, then you'd find that none of us care about ideology in kids' movies as long as it's not homophobic. I doubt any of them are, and I don't care enough to actually watch them. Speaking for myself, my sense of self-worth as a gay guy, apart from any of my other traits and realities, as influenced by film has been limited to films like Maurice. You know, those made for adults (and teens who choose to join the adult world in this vein).

Right, obviously it's not the same. Gay relationships are definitively different from most straight relationships, but none of us care to make that explicitly known, so I won't get into that. Also, I sincerely doubt that my upbringing would have been any smoother had I seen two guys kiss in one these types of movies, so again, this kiss doesn't make the movie better (from what I've read/heard of it against my will). This larger conversation is about those who are deeply against this and those who don't understand why. Every time I read anything related to this, which I typically hate doing but sometimes get sucked in, I mostly hope that none of your kids turn out to be gay. Not that you'd love them any less, but their lives will undoubtedly be more difficult than necessary because they never could have known that until they're older.

Capybara said:

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Gay relationships are definitively different from most straight relationships

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https://texags.com/forums/12/topics/3372561/last#last

A man's wife plans to leave them because she realized she is gay. In the same thread, there are claims that human body can't differentiate between straight/gay sexual satisfaction. TexAgs knows things

fig96 said:

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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fig96 said:

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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I always love when childless libs (usually from self-affirming and virtue signaling bubbles, like Brooklyn/Hollywood etc.) tell people they are crazy/bigoted for not wanting to have conversations with their 3-4 year olds over why two men just kissed on screen. Same people would be pretty vocal if there was a modern Disney animation with overtly Christian themes...or even subtle.

If a gay person's value or sense of self-worth hinges on presence of gay lifestyles and activity being portrayed in Rated G film and TV, they have much bigger issues that should probably be addressed by a professional.

Sorry, to tens of millions of people, Aladdin kissing Genie is just not the same as Aladdin kissing Jasmine. I know you cannot even begin to wrap your conditioned minds around this. Tens of millions of "slackjawed hate filled bigots" lol. But a bunch of hipsters in Brooklyn and Hollywood on your side share your sentiment. I am sure they are right and the masses are wrong...like always.

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I hesitate to dive into this, but I do love how you stereotype anyone with a different opinion than you as a "lib", "hipster", etc.

Most people sit in the middle and not on your hyper partisan f16 driven side.

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I am sorry, if someone can't even comprehend how or why anyone might not want their 3 yr old to see dudes or chicks kissing on their child programming, they're a lib to me. Not being open minded enough to grasp that type of concept, and thinking that type of position makes someone dumb, or bigoted, or a puritan who wants to force Christianity on others...is a pretty good indicator. Can't help it.

I would say most parents in this country, at least outside of the staunchly blue coastal cities, would prefer NOT to have gays kissing in programming for babies/toddlers actually, if given the choice. We are talking tens of millions of people. Not just a relative few fringe hyper partisan internet posters.

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The main topic we've been discussing is a PG rated animated sci-fi movie, but we're all definitely pushing to have 3 year olds watch dudes making out.

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From your (admittedly) Christian perspective, what other sin would you devote this much time defending?

Capybara said:

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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I always love when childless libs (usually from self-affirming and virtue signaling bubbles, like Brooklyn/Hollywood etc.) tell people they are crazy/bigoted for not wanting to have conversations with their 3-4 year olds over why two men just kissed on screen. Same people would be pretty vocal if there was a modern Disney animation with overtly Christian themes...or even subtle.

If a gay person's value or sense of self-worth hinges on presence of gay lifestyles and activity being portrayed in Rated G film and TV, they have much bigger issues that should probably be addressed by a professional.

Sorry, to tens of millions of people, Aladdin kissing Genie is just not the same as Aladdin kissing Jasmine. I know you cannot even begin to wrap your conditioned minds around this. Tens of millions of "slackjawed hate filled bigots" lol. But a bunch of hipsters in Brooklyn and Hollywood on your side share your sentiment. I am sure they are right and the masses are wrong...like always.

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If you're responding to me, which you obviously are but are too afraid to directly speak your mind, then you just proved my point about the reconstruction or refutation of parents' (or guardians') relationships.

If you actually talk to gay people in real life, then you'd find that none of us care about ideology in kids' movies as long as it's not homophobic. I doubt any of them are, and I don't care enough to actually watch them. Speaking for myself, my sense of self-worth as a gay guy, apart from any of my other traits and realities, as influenced by film has been limited to films like Maurice. You know, those made for adults (and teens who choose to join the adult world in this vein).

Right, obviously it's not the same. Gay relationships are definitively different from most straight relationships, but none of us care to make that explicitly known, so I won't get into that. Also, I sincerely doubt that my upbringing would have been any smoother had I seen two guys kiss in one these types of movies, so again, this kiss doesn't make the movie better (from what I've read/heard of it against my will). This larger conversation is about those who are deeply against this and those who don't understand why. Every time I read anything related to this, which I typically hate doing but sometimes get sucked in, I mostly hope that none of your kids turn out to be gay. Not that you'd love them any less, but their lives will undoubtedly be more difficult than necessary because they never could have known that until they're older.

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Very few people are bothered by gay people. Most here have gay friends/coworkers/acquaintances/etc.

The only issue is the gay movement's focus on children. You guys can continue to obfuscate and build straw men all you want. You are on the wrong side of this argument whether you know it or not.

Disneyland After Dark: Pride Nite | Disneyland Resort (go.com)

This seemed relevant to this thread

Personally, I think there's quite a bit overreaction to how much homosexuality is actually in these movies, but perception doesn't always equal reality, especially in a hyper political world like we live in today. Half the people in this country are conservative, a large portion of those will choose to not let their kids see movies where these characters are present. You can blame lack of quality, Covid, or whatever, but Minions, Puss and Boots, Sonic 2 and The Bad Guys all made more money than Lightyear in 2022, a movie from a franchise that has absolutely banked in the past. I don't believe the lack of box office success had anything to do with the quality. As soon as it came out that there was a "gay kiss", it was doomed, whether you think it was an overreaction by those people choosing to not see it doesn't matter when it comes to dollars being made.

Ghost of Bisbee said:

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Capybara said:

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Gay relationships are definitively different from most straight relationships

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https://texags.com/forums/12/topics/3372561/last#last

A man's wife plans to leave them because she realized she is gay. In the same thread, there are claims that human body can't differentiate between straight/gay sexual satisfaction. TexAgs knows things

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Maybe I'll read that in full later, but it's much more common for women to switch between relationships with men and other women. Who knows if she will like someone else in there alluded to, but it very well could happen.

Realistically, there are no "ex gay men". Sure, there have been men and always will be men who "left the gay world", typically in their 20s, to be with a woman. What you'll find is their gay desires never cease, and they only ever did this (whether or not they realize it) to have kids. Take Anthony Perkins for example. I'm not going to describe his entire story, but he "left the gay world" to marry a woman and have kids in his late thirties iirc. Of course he'd die from AIDS, but let's be real, he didn't get it from a blood transfusion or a dirty needle.

What you'll also find if you read more about this is that there are certain men who so badly need validation that they can easily swap between the sexes (and genders). Of course they'll probably never be happy, but for some it gets simpler as they age. That, and some guys start going down endlessly transgressive rabbit holes of sex. You want to keep those guys at arm's length. Then there are those who are part of modern day Caligula scenes in which you probably stop differentiating between bodies as long as they're fit. With all of these people (there aren't many but they hide for good reason), they're just after pure sex and are typically very boring.

The most fortunate among us know just what and whom we want and are able to be in relationships accordingly. This has veered way off topic lol, but that's what everyone really wanted, no?

Beast of Burden said:

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Capybara said:

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Brittmoore Car Club said:

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I always love when childless libs (usually from self-affirming and virtue signaling bubbles, like Brooklyn/Hollywood etc.) tell people they are crazy/bigoted for not wanting to have conversations with their 3-4 year olds over why two men just kissed on screen. Same people would be pretty vocal if there was a modern Disney animation with overtly Christian themes...or even subtle.

If a gay person's value or sense of self-worth hinges on presence of gay lifestyles and activity being portrayed in Rated G film and TV, they have much bigger issues that should probably be addressed by a professional.

Sorry, to tens of millions of people, Aladdin kissing Genie is just not the same as Aladdin kissing Jasmine. I know you cannot even begin to wrap your conditioned minds around this. Tens of millions of "slackjawed hate filled bigots" lol. But a bunch of hipsters in Brooklyn and Hollywood on your side share your sentiment. I am sure they are right and the masses are wrong...like always.

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If you're responding to me, which you obviously are but are too afraid to directly speak your mind, then you just proved my point about the reconstruction or refutation of parents' (or guardians') relationships.

If you actually talk to gay people in real life, then you'd find that none of us care about ideology in kids' movies as long as it's not homophobic. I doubt any of them are, and I don't care enough to actually watch them. Speaking for myself, my sense of self-worth as a gay guy, apart from any of my other traits and realities, as influenced by film has been limited to films like Maurice. You know, those made for adults (and teens who choose to join the adult world in this vein).

Right, obviously it's not the same. Gay relationships are definitively different from most straight relationships, but none of us care to make that explicitly known, so I won't get into that. Also, I sincerely doubt that my upbringing would have been any smoother had I seen two guys kiss in one these types of movies, so again, this kiss doesn't make the movie better (from what I've read/heard of it against my will). This larger conversation is about those who are deeply against this and those who don't understand why. Every time I read anything related to this, which I typically hate doing but sometimes get sucked in, I mostly hope that none of your kids turn out to be gay. Not that you'd love them any less, but their lives will undoubtedly be more difficult than necessary because they never could have known that until they're older.

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Very few people are bothered by gay people. Most here have gay friends/coworkers/acquaintances/etc.

The only issue is the gay movement's focus on children. You guys can continue to obfuscate and build straw men all you want. You are on the wrong side of this argument whether you know it or not.

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When have I ever said, explicitly or implicitly, that many people are bothered by the existence of gay people?

What is the gay movement? How does it focus on children? For that matter, what is this argument? That you don't want your kids to see gay people kissing? Be direct in your assertions.

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

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Capybara said:

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Gay relationships are definitively different from most straight relationships

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https://texags.com/forums/12/topics/3372561/last#last

A man's wife plans to leave them because she realized she is gay. In the same thread, there are claims that human body can't differentiate between straight/gay sexual satisfaction. TexAgs knows things

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Maybe I'll read that in full later, but it's much more common for women to switch between relationships with men and other women. Who knows if she will like someone else in there alluded to, but it very well could happen.

Realistically, there are no "ex gay men". Sure, there have been men and always will be men who "left the gay world", typically in their 20s, to be with a woman. What you'll find is their gay desires never cease, and they only ever did this (whether or not they realize it) to have kids. Take Anthony Perkins for example. I'm not going to describe his entire story, but he "left the gay world" to marry a woman and have kids in his late thirties iirc. Of course he'd die from AIDS, but let's be real, he didn't get it from a blood transfusion or a dirty needle.

What you'll also find if you read more about this is that there are certain men who so badly need validation that they can easily swap between the sexes (and genders). Of course they'll probably never be happy, but for some it gets simpler as they age. That, and some guys start going down endlessly transgressive rabbit holes of sex. You want to keep those guys at arm's length. Then there are those who are part of modern day Caligula scenes in which you probably stop differentiating between bodies as long as they're fit. With all of these people (there aren't many but they hide for good reason), they're just after pure sex and are typically very boring.

The most fortunate among us know just what and whom we want and are able to be in relationships accordingly. This has veered way off topic lol, but that's what everyone really wanted, no?

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Apparently in that thread, people can't differentiate butts of different sexes

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What is the gay movement? How does it focus on children?

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Seriously?

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Look, no one is denying that Disney's overall quality has dipped. It absolutely has. What we're pushing back on is the dumbass "go woke go broke" narrative you and others are so desperate to push. In other words, a two-second lesbian kiss in Lightyear isn't the reason that movie did poorly at the box office, nor does it have anything to do with why 7000 people are being laid off.

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I agree with you on that one. We haven't seen that movie because we aren't interested in the story. How are you going to make an animated movie based off of another animated movie? The movie just doesn't make sense in the overall Toy Story world and we were quite happy with the back story on Buzz already, so why mess with that?

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I don't believe the lack of box office success had anything to do with the quality. As soon as it came out that there was a "gay kiss", it was doomed, whether you think it was an overreaction by those people choosing to not see it doesn't matter when it comes to dollars being made.

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It is so hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact that people really believe this to be true.

I couldn't have told you there was a "gay kiss" in Lightyear.

95% of the country's population couldn't either.

I find it much more likely the movie wasn't successful because it singled out one character out an entire cast of lovable characters and tried to center the entire film around it. I'd go see The Simpsons movie. I wouldn't go see 'Lisa'.

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I don't believe the lack of box office success had anything to do with the quality. As soon as it came out that there was a "gay kiss", it was doomed, whether you think it was an overreaction by those people choosing to not see it doesn't matter when it comes to dollars being made.

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It is so hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact that people really believe this to be true.

I couldn't have told you there was a "gay kiss" in Lightyear.

95% of the country's population couldn't either.

I find it much more likely the movie wasn't successful because it singled out one character out an entire cast of lovable characters and tried to center the entire film around it. I'd go see The Simpsons movie. I wouldn't go see 'Lisa'.

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Buzz doesn't not equal Lisa, more like Homer or Bart. Also, It's not about what percentage of the country knows about it. It's about what percentage of the people that would go see this knows about it, and my guess is way more than 5%. You're underestimating how many people pay attention to these things and how much the right loves to hate Disney.

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If you actually talk to gay people in real life, then you'd find that none of us care about ideology in kids' movies as long as it's not homophobic. I doubt any of them are, and I don't care enough to actually watch them. Speaking for myself, my sense of self-worth as a gay guy, apart from any of my other traits and realities, as influenced by film has been limited to films like Maurice. You know, those made for adults (and teens who choose to join the adult world in this vein).

Right, obviously it's not the same. Gay relationships are definitively different from most straight relationships, but none of us care to make that explicitly known, so I won't get into that. Also, I sincerely doubt that my upbringing would have been any smoother had I seen two guys kiss in one these types of movies, so again, this kiss doesn't make the movie better (from what I've read/heard of it against my will). This larger conversation is about those who are deeply against this and those who don't understand why. Every time I read anything related to this, which I typically hate doing but sometimes get sucked in, I mostly hope that none of your kids turn out to be gay. Not that you'd love them any less, but their lives will undoubtedly be more difficult than necessary because they never could have known that until they're older.

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You may not care, but others do. The issue most often isn't that there's something gay in a film. It is the filmmaker's, often stated, intent to influence perception, and when done in children's movies, to influence children's perception, through exposure and normalization.

As an extension, there are plenty of parents who would have no problem if their child was gay, but they also do not want educators attempting to influence or confuse them in furtherance of their own social or political agendas. Engaging in something like gender affirmation can be equivalent to brain washing, and when educators and administrators want to be able to engage in such activity without consulting or nothing parents, it is extremely disturbing. It is even more so when activist teachers engage in promotion within their classrooms. There's no reason for classrooms to have pride flags and pride activities. The effective message to students, and often very young ones at that, is that of you're not LGBTQ, you're not special. If you're gay or trans, then you're different and special and brave. It should come as no surprise that with the rise of such messaging in classrooms we've seen a rise in self-identification as LGBTQ in the youngest generation, as 20% of Gen Z identifies as LGBTQ. For many parents, it isn't that they don't want their kids to be gay, it is that they do not want them confused and influenced because someone else valued their social cause above their children's well-being.

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Capybara said:

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

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Capybara said:

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Gay relationships are definitively different from most straight relationships

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https://texags.com/forums/12/topics/3372561/last#last

A man's wife plans to leave them because she realized she is gay. In the same thread, there are claims that human body can't differentiate between straight/gay sexual satisfaction. TexAgs knows things

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Maybe I'll read that in full later, but it's much more common for women to switch between relationships with men and other women. Who knows if she will like someone else in there alluded to, but it very well could happen.

Realistically, there are no "ex gay men". Sure, there have been men and always will be men who "left the gay world", typically in their 20s, to be with a woman. What you'll find is their gay desires never cease, and they only ever did this (whether or not they realize it) to have kids. Take Anthony Perkins for example. I'm not going to describe his entire story, but he "left the gay world" to marry a woman and have kids in his late thirties iirc. Of course he'd die from AIDS, but let's be real, he didn't get it from a blood transfusion or a dirty needle.

What you'll also find if you read more about this is that there are certain men who so badly need validation that they can easily swap between the sexes (and genders). Of course they'll probably never be happy, but for some it gets simpler as they age. That, and some guys start going down endlessly transgressive rabbit holes of sex. You want to keep those guys at arm's length. Then there are those who are part of modern day Caligula scenes in which you probably stop differentiating between bodies as long as they're fit. With all of these people (there aren't many but they hide for good reason), they're just after pure sex and are typically very boring.

The most fortunate among us know just what and whom we want and are able to be in relationships accordingly. This has veered way off topic lol, but that's what everyone really wanted, no?

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Apparently in that thread, people can't differentiate butts of different sexes

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Oh lol. I guess I'll read through it but talking about sex on the internet or even in person gets old very quickly. Just have it. I regret getting so far into this because nobody really cares that much. Working is better than this.

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Capybara said:

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If you actually talk to gay people in real life, then you'd find that none of us care about ideology in kids' movies as long as it's not homophobic. I doubt any of them are, and I don't care enough to actually watch them. Speaking for myself, my sense of self-worth as a gay guy, apart from any of my other traits and realities, as influenced by film has been limited to films like Maurice. You know, those made for adults (and teens who choose to join the adult world in this vein).

Right, obviously it's not the same. Gay relationships are definitively different from most straight relationships, but none of us care to make that explicitly known, so I won't get into that. Also, I sincerely doubt that my upbringing would have been any smoother had I seen two guys kiss in one these types of movies, so again, this kiss doesn't make the movie better (from what I've read/heard of it against my will). This larger conversation is about those who are deeply against this and those who don't understand why. Every time I read anything related to this, which I typically hate doing but sometimes get sucked in, I mostly hope that none of your kids turn out to be gay. Not that you'd love them any less, but their lives will undoubtedly be more difficult than necessary because they never could have known that until they're older.

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You may not care, but others do. The issue most often isn't that there's something gay in a film. It is the filmmaker's, often stated, intent to influence perception, and when done in children's movies, to influence children's perception, through exposure and normalization.

As an extension, there are plenty of parents who would have no problem if their child was gay, but they also do not want educators attempting to influence or confuse them in furtherance of their own social or political agendas. Engaging in something like gender affirmation can be equivalent to brain washing, and when educators and administrators want to be able to engage in such activity without consulting or nothing parents, it is extremely disturbing. It is even more so when activist teachers engage in promotion within their classrooms. There's no reason for classrooms to have pride flags and pride activities. The effective message to students, and often very young ones at that, is that of you're not LGBTQ, you're not special. If you're gay or trans, then you're different and special and brave. It should come as no surprise that with the rise of such messaging in classrooms we've seen a rise in self-identification as LGBTQ in the youngest generation, as 20% of Gen Z identifies as LGBTQ. For many parents, it isn't that they don't want their kids to be gay, it is that they do not want them confused and influenced because someone else valued their social cause above their children's well-being.

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I need to go back and look at that poll, but iirc (unsurprisingly) the brunt of that 20% consists of bi girls, 95% of whom will never be in a relationship with anyone but a guy.

As for the rest of it, I really don't care all that much. Not that it doesn't matter, but I have too much else going on to bother. Just saying that is further proof that the internet shouldn't matter as much as any of us think because you can literally just say I don't care and move on with nothing in your life changing. This is all fake.

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I don't believe the lack of box office success had anything to do with the quality. As soon as it came out that there was a "gay kiss", it was doomed, whether you think it was an overreaction by those people choosing to not see it doesn't matter when it comes to dollars being made.

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It is so hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact that people really believe this to be true.

I couldn't have told you there was a "gay kiss" in Lightyear.

95% of the country's population couldn't either.

I find it much more likely the movie wasn't successful because it singled out one character out an entire cast of lovable characters and tried to center the entire film around it. I'd go see The Simpsons movie. I wouldn't go see 'Lisa'.

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Buzz doesn't not equal Lisa, more like Homer or Bart. Also, It's not about what percentage of the country knows about it. It's about what percentage of the people that would go see this knows about it, and my guess is way more than 5%. You're underestimating how many people pay attention to these things and how much the right loves to hate Disney.

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I think it's more that people have their echo chambers and assume if that echo chamber is talking about a topic then it's a hot topic around the world.

I could be completely wrong on this - but it's absolutely ludicrous to me that someone would believe that 10% of a movie-going population knew there was a gay kiss in Lightyear -- much less decided not to go see the movie because of it. Half the movie-going population probably couldn't even name our Vice President, but you think they are really following whatever political flavor-of-the-week is being discussed?

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I don't believe the lack of box office success had anything to do with the quality. As soon as it came out that there was a "gay kiss", it was doomed, whether you think it was an overreaction by those people choosing to not see it doesn't matter when it comes to dollars being made.

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It is so hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact that people really believe this to be true.

I couldn't have told you there was a "gay kiss" in Lightyear.

95% of the country's population couldn't either.

I find it much more likely the movie wasn't successful because it singled out one character out an entire cast of lovable characters and tried to center the entire film around it. I'd go see The Simpsons movie. I wouldn't go see 'Lisa'.

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Buzz doesn't not equal Lisa, more like Homer or Bart. Also, It's not about what percentage of the country knows about it. It's about what percentage of the people that would go see this knows about it, and my guess is way more than 5%. You're underestimating how many people pay attention to these things and how much the right loves to hate Disney.

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I think it's more that people have their echo chambers and assume if that echo chamber is talking about a topic then it's a hot topic around the world.

I could be completely wrong on this - but it's absolutely ludicrous to me that someone would believe that 10% of a movie-going population knew there was a gay kiss in Lightyear -- much less decided not to go see the movie because of it. Half the movie-going population probably couldn't even name our Vice President, but you think they are really following whatever political flavor-of-the-week is being discussed?

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Politics in his country have become an echo chamber. There's a reason Tucker Carlson has the highest rated new program in history. I teach 7th and 8th grade in a fairly conservative part of Missouri. I'll hear them say the same exact things I read on TexAgs. They're definitely not reading TexAgs and they're probably not watching Fox News, but what they are doing is parroting things their parents say. This stuff spreads like crazy on social media. Again, I think you are underestimating how many people pay attention to this, especially conservative parents with young kids.

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I could be completely wrong on this - but it's absolutely ludicrous to me that someone would believe that 10% of a movie-going population knew there was a gay kiss in Lightyear

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I believe you are completely wrong.

You are looking at the population as a whole, and ignoring the fact that many parents care deeply about what movies and television shows they allow their children to see. So they seek out information to make those decisions.

Also, someone in an earlier post mentioned something like "when it came out there was a gay kiss." It doesn't just "come out" -- Disney and the actors involved in "Lightyear," including Chris Evans, proudly promoted the fact that there were gay characters in pre-release press appearances and on social media. They saw that as a huge plus for the movie, which shows a lack of understanding about prospective audiences.

Then, when the movie bombed, they blamed the audience, which Disney has done before with recent flops.

These are unforced errors all related to not being in touch with the ticket-buying public for children's animated movies.

I'll just say this. I don't want gay activity depicted in childrens' shows/movies for the same reason I don't want swingers presenting their lifestyle on the same shows..even subtly. Or polygamists. Love is love, I get it, none of us care if two women want to be together, if couples swap spouses, or if some dude has multiple partners. But that doesn't mean we have to be perfectly happy about this stuff forcing its way onto Disney and PBS and the like.

Don't tell me two dudes being together is somehow morally superior to swingers in open relationships (Y'all don't even believe in sexual morals, and that is fine), or that the latter is "yucky" and out of bounds for children, but the former is totally normal and acceptable and must be presented at every opportunity.

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Personally, I think there's quite a bit overreaction to how much homosexuality is actually in these movies, but perception doesn't always equal reality, especially in a hyper political world like we live in today. Half the people in this country are conservative, a large portion of those will choose to not let their kids see movies where these characters are present. You can blame lack of quality, Covid, or whatever, but Minions, Puss and Boots, Sonic 2 and The Bad Guys all made more money than Lightyear in 2022, a movie from a franchise that has absolutely banked in the past. I don't believe the lack of box office success had anything to do with the quality. As soon as it came out that there was a "gay kiss", it was doomed, whether you think it was an overreaction by those people choosing to not see it doesn't matter when it comes to dollars being made.

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Somewhat similarly, remember the gay creator of "Bros" being simultaneously enraged and baffled that straight dudes weren't flocking to theaters in groups to see the movie, whose trailer depicted a "straight man" getting a BJ from another man, while yet another man watched? You're homophobic if you don't want to see a highly sexed up comedy about loose gay men with your buddies. Several gay dudes even made this argument on F16 and here I believe.

I really think a lot of people just ferment so much over time in their own little self-reinforcing group think bubbles that they completely lose touch with average Americans and can't possibly understand why everyone else doesn't see the world exactly the way they do.

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I always love when childless libs (usually from self-affirming and virtue signaling bubbles, like Brooklyn/Hollywood etc.) tell people they are crazy/bigoted for not wanting to have conversations with their 3-4 year olds over why two men just kissed on screen. Same people would be pretty vocal if there was a modern Disney animation with overtly Christian themes...or even subtle.

If a gay person's value or sense of self-worth hinges on presence of gay lifestyles and activity being portrayed in Rated G film and TV, they have much bigger issues that should probably be addressed by a professional.

Sorry, to tens of millions of people, Aladdin kissing Genie is just not the same as Aladdin kissing Jasmine. I know you cannot even begin to wrap your conditioned minds around this. Tens of millions of "slackjawed hate filled bigots" lol. But a bunch of hipsters in Brooklyn and Hollywood on your side share your sentiment. I am sure they are right and the masses are wrong...like always.

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I hesitate to dive into this, but I do love how you stereotype anyone with a different opinion than you as a "lib", "hipster", etc.

Most people sit in the middle and not on your hyper partisan f16 driven side.

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I am sorry, if someone can't even comprehend how or why anyone might not want their 3 yr old to see dudes or chicks kissing on their child programming, they're a lib to me. Not being open minded enough to grasp that type of concept, and thinking that type of position makes someone dumb, or bigoted, or a puritan who wants to force Christianity on others...is a pretty good indicator. Can't help it.

I would say most parents in this country, at least outside of the staunchly blue coastal cities, would prefer NOT to have gays kissing in programming for babies/toddlers actually, if given the choice. We are talking tens of millions of people. Not just a relative few fringe hyper partisan internet posters.

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The main topic we've been discussing is a PG rated animated sci-fi movie, but we're all definitely pushing to have 3 year olds watch dudes making out.

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From your (admittedly) Christian perspective, what other sin would you devote this much time defending?

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I don't consider it to be sin, or even if I'm wrong not nearly worth the effort put towards it by western Christianity. You'd think issues like divorce, adultery, materialism, or other sins discussed exponentially more in the Bible (and by Jesus in particular) that affect Christians far more directly would be a better use of the time and effort.

And to honest I've defended homosexuality fairly minimally in this thread, if that's something someone has an issue with I differ but it is what it is. I just don't think a very benign display of affection is a big deal in a PG rated film.

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I really think a lot of people just ferment so much over time in their own little self-reinforcing group think bubbles that they completely lose touch with average Americans and can't possibly understand why everyone else doesn't see the world exactly the way they do.

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You do see the elephant sized flaw in this argument?

aw, hell. I was straight when I started reading this thread. I think around page 4 I became gay.

Drats...

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aw, hell. I was straight when I started reading this thread. I think around page 4 I became gay.

Drats...

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All good, want to bring some toddlers to a drag brunch tomorrow?

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I really think a lot of people just ferment so much over time in their own little self-reinforcing group think bubbles that they completely lose touch with average Americans and can't possibly understand why everyone else doesn't see the world exactly the way they do.

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You do see the elephant sized flaw in this argument?

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No I do not. Not at all. I also don't want swingers injecting swinger relationships on my child's shows...is that such a crime? Of course not, because you don't see swingers as a "protected victim class" so it's not bigoted if I want to shield my children from that to a certain degree. I am in-line with decades...no, centuries...of traditional norms and standards. The Hollywood hipsters who think gay and non-binary teachers should discuss their lifestyles with 2nd graders behind parents backs are the ones who have been conditioned by their bubbles.

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Yikes. You'd be wrong.

It's not any greater than any other sin but you certainly don't get to pick and choose.

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I also don't see anyone advocating for the other sins you mentioned in your post.