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Look, no one is denying that Disney's overall quality has dipped. It absolutely has. What we're pushing back on is the dumbass "go woke go broke" narrative you and others are so desperate to push. In other words, a two-second lesbian kiss in Lightyear isn't the reason that movie did poorly at the box office, nor does it have anything to do with why 7000 people are being laid off.

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Genuinely curious as to how you KNOW this. I remember the fuss being raised before and immediately after the movie dropped. There are tens of millions of people who just don't want to show that to their kids. They'd rather have that discussion when they're a little older. The left is adamant about striking while they are young...from all angles.

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Seeing people of the same sex, or same gender, kissing isn't going to make kids gay. If you're fine with two opposites kissing, then you should be fine with this too. Sexuality, but not necessarily any expression of it, is deterministic.

Besides, everyone would be better off if there were more clear lines between child and adult entertainment. That would happen again if the MPAA let loose and let our auteurs/artists work more freely. Oh well.

I don't get the Lightyear hate. I watched it a couple times with my kid and thought it was good. My son loves it. Admittedly, I was playing on my phone for a bit, but that is pretty standard for me and kids shows.

I believe the point that many of us try to make is that companies, like Disney, seem to be focusing on DEI or pushing their agenda in lieu of making an effort in their content. This is the argument most on the center-left and center-right who are calling it out are making. Many in this realm are not saying that simply putting a gay in a movie makes it fail.

We are saying that when you shift your company's entire culture around pushing this agenda (Fact: Video of execs saying this. That's for Fig96's benefit) as your seemingly number one goal, then we believe your content is crappy because your focus wasn't on making it great.

If Jimbo were to announce that the team would be spending 2 hours a day in a new DEI class, and they were to go 6-6 next year, are you telling me you wouldn't think they had misaligned their goals as a football team? (Hell, they may be doing that... who knows?)

Granted, if I had kids, I also would not take them to movies and such that are normalizing or glorifying something that goes against the worldview I am trying to teach. There are many families out there that feel the same way, and it's a lot more than the loud people on twitter or TikTok. I don't see why this concept is so hard for others to understand or accept.

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What do you expect? You made a sensible point... and there is no response other than, "you could be right." However, cultists can't ever go against the cult.

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I literally just posted, with verifiable facts, how and why the phase 4 numbers for the MCU weren't even remotely "appalling," as you called them. You straight up ignored that post, then implied that I not only pull stuff out of my ass, but that I'm also part of a cult.

You seriously have to be one of the most disgruntled, delusional posters on this board, somehow up there with aTmAg now, which is saying something.

Don't really have time to read those at the moment but I'd argue that historically, animated scifi movies that fail tend to try to stay away from the things that make kids movies successful (simple stories, cutesy characters, etc) and almost be a middle ground between a kids movie and an adult scifi. The ones that succeed tell simple kid oriented stories set in a scifi setting.

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I don't get the Lightyear hate. I watched it a couple times with my kid and thought it was good. My son loves it. Admittedly, I was playing on my phone for a bit, but that is pretty standard for me and kids shows.

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I didn't watch and have no desire to watch Lightyear because some anime action flick isn't why I watch Pixar movies. I'm sure it's alright.

But I never heard anything about the 'gay stuff' until I saw it on Texags

I'm not here to get embroiled in the political crap. The other forum is for that.

But I will say I have both Disney+ and I love the movie theaters. We're in a fun season (finally) where I can take my kids to D&D, Shazam, Mario, GotG, Indiana Jones, etc and I bet this season leaves an impression. It reminds me when I saw Batman, Honey I shrunk the kids, and the Last Crusade the same summer. I love seasons like that.

All this to say I absolutely have pulled back from taking my kids to certain movies. I don't want politics in my entertainment. Just keep it simple and fun. That's what Top Gun did and Mario especially. Disney has absolutely made a mistake by being bullied into the politics forum. Doesn't matter what "side" they took. They should have stayed out of it and reaped the rewards.

Sure they aren't going broke anytime soon. My dollars won't be anything to them. But I think it was a net negative on their business to placate a few activists. Seems like a poorly thought out long term strategy.

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Milwaukees Best Light said:

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I don't get the Lightyear hate. I watched it a couple times with my kid and thought it was good. My son loves it. Admittedly, I was playing on my phone for a bit, but that is pretty standard for me and kids shows.

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I didn't watch and have no desire to watch Lightyear because some anime action flick isn't why I watch Pixar movies. I'm sure it's alright.

But I never heard anything about the 'gay stuff' until I saw it on Texags

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Most parents aren't nearly as up in arms nor as informed as a lot of people seem to think.

I will never forget seeing a row of first graders marching in to our showing of Watchmen…

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I'm not here to get embroiled in the political crap. The other forum is for that.

But I will say I have both Disney+ and I love the movie theaters. We're in a fun season (finally) where I can take my kids to D&D, Shazam, Mario, GotG, Indiana Jones, etc and I bet this season leaves an impression. It reminds me when I saw Batman, Honey I shrunk the kids, and the Last Crusade the same summer. I love seasons like that.

All this to say I absolutely have pulled back from taking my kids to certain movies. I don't want politics in my entertainment. Just keep it simple and fun. That's what Top Gun did and Mario especially. Disney has absolutely made a mistake by being bullied into the politics forum. Doesn't matter what "side" they took. They should have stayed out of it and reaped the rewards.

Sure they aren't going broke anytime soon. My dollars won't be anything to them. But I think it was a net negative on their business to placate a few activists. Seems like a poorly thought out long term strategy.

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Two women seen kissing for two seconds in a Buzz Lightyear movie isn't "politics." It's simply two people kissing, no different than a hetero couple kissing for two seconds in any other Disney movie. You're the one creating the drama by making a conscious decision to paint it as "politics," or something "bad"/"degenerate" that your kids don't need to see. For everyone else, it's completely innocuous, no one gives a sh*t, and they have no problem with their kids seeing it, because they know it's not going to turn their kids gay, no different than seeing a hetero couple kissing isn't going to turn a gay kid straight. At worst, kids will see that it's just as normal and as harmless as a comparable hetero display of affection, and if you don't want your kids thinking that, well, I don't know what to tell you.

All I know is that, 50 years from now, when people look back at these times, if we interchange the word "black" for "woke" or "politics" in all of these posts, the people endlessly complaining about this crap now are going to sound just as nuts as the people 50 years ago complaining about desegregation, interracial marriages, and a black and a white person kissing each other for the first time on Star Trek.

Have you ever thought that there might be more than a few people in this world with a different worldview than you?

You're welcome to see that as you want. That's your opinion. It's what most secularists say.

But in my faith, it's 100% playing politics and pushing an agenda.

This is where the activists can't even think straight. (And I'm not calling you one. Just my point overall). Pull the edge material out rather than pick a fight and alienate half of America. Profit even more

I completely understand that there are people with views different than mine. That's the base of my entire argument.

What I'm clearly stating is that I think those views are archaic, and will no doubt be viewed in 50 years with the same shock and disdain as the anti-black crowd from 50 years ago is viewed now.

Not wanting your kids to see two gay people kiss - while having no problem with them seeing two hetero people kiss - is not only hypocritical, it's a blatant tell that you have a moral or religious problem with homosexuality, which is exactly what I'm pushing against.

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You're welcome to see that as you want. That's your opinion. It's what most secularists say.

But in my faith, it's 100% playing politics and pushing an agenda.

This is where the activists can't even think straight. (And I'm not calling you one. Just my point overall). Pull the edge material out rather than pick a fight and alienate half of America. Profit even more

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But YOU'RE the one deciding, based on YOUR faith, that homosexuality is "edge material." In other words, you're wanting Disney to bend to your religious beliefs, which is not a rational or practical position.

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Most parents aren't nearly as up in arms nor as informed as a lot of people seem to think.

I will never forget seeing a row of first graders marching in to our showing of Watchmen…

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To be fair, if it goes from 2 second lesbian kiss to full brokeback mountain, somewhere down that line I ain't entering that theatre. Even if it's two women like Brie Larson and Emma Watson. Well, hmmm

Pretty sure most of the 'wokest' will understand.

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Most parents aren't nearly as up in arms nor as informed as a lot of people seem to think.

I will never forget seeing a row of first graders marching in to our showing of Watchmen…

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To be fair, if it goes from 2 second lesbian kiss to full brokeback mountain, somewhere down that line I ain't entering that theatre. Even if it's two women like Brie Larson and Emma Watson. Well, hmmm

Pretty sure most of the 'wokest' will understand.

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Brokeback Mountain is great even if it doesn't really come close to depicting a legitimate gay relationship of any sort, but yeah I get a straight guy not wanting to see gay sex scenes. You're limiting yourself if you won't even watch movies centered around lesbian relationships though. Just off the top of my head, Carol, Blue is the Warmest Color, and Mulholland Drive. Tar as well, though that's more about Lydia and her ego rather than her relationship.

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I completely understand that there are people with views different than mine. That's the base of my entire argument.

What I'm clearly stating is that I think those views are archaic, and will no doubt be viewed in 50 years with the same shock and disdain as the anti-black crowd from 50 years ago is viewed now.

Not wanting your kids to see two gay people kiss - while having no problem with them seeing two hetero people kiss - is not only hypocritical, it's a blatant tell that you have a moral or religious problem with homosexuality, which is exactly what I'm pushing against.

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Gonna be a way different perspective actually. Westernized countries in birth rate death spirals won't look back wishing they'd had more gays kissing in movies because it's 'normal'. They'll look back and wonder why they thought it was so important to show it to children when that's not where children come from.

Lol

Last post as I can see you're bent on a position.

My faith is not unlike many other popular ones in the world in many respects. It's odd that you're presenting it as something I expect Disney to accommodate. I don't. But I thought they would also be smart enough to add up the number of different demos that they've decided to alienate for the sake of loud activists. It's just bad business.

My Muslim friends took great issue with the stuff Disney has done as well. I have essentially non-religious friends that are still for traditional upbringing and this pissed them off. My kids are surrounded by Indian Hindus at school every day and they're shielded from even watching Dance Moms without Tiger Mom supervision. These are not fringe groups. The are a lot of demos Disney decided to tick off. And to gain what? This is my only point. From a purely capitalistic perspective, I think they've been foolish.

only Disney could be this stupid and have such amazing staying power their classic material plus Star Wars plus the Marvel stuff is hard to quit. That doesn't mean it still hasn't been a misstep strategically. Imo, it has been.

Birth rates? We can't even properly take care of the ppl we already have. And when automation takes half the jobs away in 50 years, we will have an even bigger problem

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I completely understand that there are people with views different than mine. That's the base of my entire argument.

What I'm clearly stating is that I think those views are archaic, and will no doubt be viewed in 50 years with the same shock and disdain as the anti-black crowd from 50 years ago is viewed now.

Not wanting your kids to see two gay people kiss - while having no problem with them seeing two hetero people kiss - is not only hypocritical, it's a blatant tell that you have a moral or religious problem with homosexuality, which is exactly what I'm pushing against.

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Gonna be a way different perspective actually. Westernized countries in birth rate death spirals won't look back wishing they'd had more gays kissing in movies because it's 'normal'. They'll look back and wonder why they thought it was so important to show it to children when that's not where children come from.

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Exactly how big do think the gay community is? No wonder you guys are so scared of them, you're somehow disillusioned to the point of thinking there's enough of them to cause "birth rate death spirals," on a global scale. Which is, in and of itself, objectively hilarious, if not beyond paranoid.

Either way, again... no one can *make* anyone gay. You either are or you aren't. Sure, there are edge cases, and certain people have their "phases," but by and large our sexual orientation is hardwired. It's not software that can be hacked by "groomers."

Western countries are in birth rate death spirals man. It isn't because of gays, although i guess an argument could be made that they have some non zero effect. He is saying that we won't wish we had more gays when the consequences of diminishing birth rates come to fruition, we will wish we were pushing nuclear family lifestyles on the youth. At least that is what I assume he is saying. That birth rates are declining in a LOT of westernized countries is an indisputable fact though.

TCTTS said:

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I completely understand that there are people with views different than mine. That's the base of my entire argument.

What I'm clearly stating is that I think those views are archaic, and will no doubt be viewed in 50 years with the same shock and disdain as the anti-black crowd from 50 years ago is viewed now.

Not wanting your kids to see two gay people kiss - while having no problem with them seeing two hetero people kiss - is not only hypocritical, it's a blatant tell that you have a moral or religious problem with homosexuality, which is exactly what I'm pushing against.

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Gonna be a way different perspective actually. Westernized countries in birth rate death spirals won't look back wishing they'd had more gays kissing in movies because it's 'normal'. They'll look back and wonder why they thought it was so important to show it to children when that's not where children come from.

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Exactly how big do think the gay community is? No wonder you guys are so scared of them, you're somehow disillusioned to the point of thinking there's enough of them to cause "birth rate death spirals," on a global scale. Which is, in and of itself, objectively hilarious, if not beyond paranoid.

Either way, again... no one can *make* anyone gay. You either are or you aren't. Sure, there are edge cases, and certain people have their "phases," but by and large our sexual orientation is hardwired. It's not software that can be hacked by "groomers."

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I just want to teach my kid about certain things at an appropriate age. It's one thing if it's in PG-13 movies and up, but I have a toddler and it's in so many shows meant for babies and toddlers, to a disproportionate degree, to where it really feels like an agenda to condition them (not to be gay necessarily).

I just miss the days when kids could keep their innocence a bit longer. I'd rather have a "daddy why are those men holding hands and kissing" conversation with a 10 year old than with a 3-4 year old.

Almost every couple presented on Sesame Street is not hetero. I am serious. Daniel Tiger often showcases two lesbian mother birds. I just think it's overcompensating to a large degree. It's not honest or reflective of reality.

Bluey seems like almost the only show that promotes a traditional nuclear family as a not so bad thing.

TCTTS said:

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I completely understand that there are people with views different than mine. That's the base of my entire argument.

What I'm clearly stating is that I think those views are archaic, and will no doubt be viewed in 50 years with the same shock and disdain as the anti-black crowd from 50 years ago is viewed now.

Not wanting your kids to see two gay people kiss - while having no problem with them seeing two hetero people kiss - is not only hypocritical, it's a blatant tell that you have a moral or religious problem with homosexuality, which is exactly what I'm pushing against.

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Gonna be a way different perspective actually. Westernized countries in birth rate death spirals won't look back wishing they'd had more gays kissing in movies because it's 'normal'. They'll look back and wonder why they thought it was so important to show it to children when that's not where children come from.

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Exactly how big do think the gay community is? No wonder you guys are so scared of them, you're somehow disillusioned to the point of thinking there's enough of them to cause "birth rate death spirals," on a global scale. Which is, in and of itself, objectively hilarious, if not beyond paranoid.

Either way, again... no one can *make* anyone gay. You either are or you aren't. Sure, there are edge cases, and certain people have their "phases," but by and large our sexual orientation is hardwired. It's not software that can be hacked by "groomers."

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That's actually not true, it's a mix of nature and nurture which is why they never found the gay gene they looked for decades ago. Also your ideas of attraction are dated and incomplete. Current research indicates most youths are attracted to…their phones (wish I was joking but the brain doesn't confuse your phone with a real woman despite the images you see). This is a deep dive for this forum though so I'll cut it off. If normalizing this behavior doesn't have any impact on kids, why portray it in the first place? Every kid has a mother and father and that's why hetero kissing isn't a big deal despite your outrage.

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Last post as I can see you're bent on a position.

My faith is not unlike many other popular ones in the world in many respects. It's odd that you're presenting it as something I expect Disney to accommodate. I don't. But I thought they would also be smart enough to add up the number of different demos that they've decided to alienate for the sake of loud activists. It's just bad business.

My Muslim friends took great issue with the stuff Disney has done as well. I have essentially non-religious friends that are still for traditional upbringing and this pissed them off. My kids are surrounded by Indian Hindus at school every day and they're shielded from even watching Dance Moms without Tiger Mom supervision. These are not fringe groups. The are a lot of demos Disney decided to tick off. And to gain what? This is my only point. From a purely capitalistic perspective, I think they've been foolish.

only Disney could be this stupid and have such amazing staying power their classic material plus Star Wars plus the Marvel stuff is hard to quit. That doesn't mean it still hasn't been a misstep strategically. Imo, it has been.

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I'm not denying a single thing you're saying. Many people of many religions - and even some secularists - are no doubt upset by depictions of gay people on screen. I'm sure they all feel as equally alienated too. Trust me, I hear as much on this board day after day after day.

Again... that's not what I'm arguing. My point is that your positions and your thoughts on the matter are only going to continue to become less and less popular, and thus more squarely found in a shrinking minority, as society inevitably marches toward a more tolerant future.

Boycott Disney all you want. Stop buying all the Bud Light for all I care. What I'm saying is that none of it is going to matter in the long run, and that your views will eventually go the way of those who were just as up in arms about black people achieving equal rights, then finding their way into more and more pop culture just the same. While Disney, and likely even Bud Light, will remain.

Also, you're just as "bent" on your position as I am on mine, so don't make it sound like I'm the only one being stubborn here.

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Western countries are in birth rate death spirals man. It isn't because of gays, although i guess an argument could be made that they have some non zero effect. He is saying that we won't wish we had more gays when the consequences of diminishing birth rates come to fruition, we will wish we were pushing nuclear family lifestyles on the youth. At least that is what I assume he is saying. That birth rates are declining in a LOT of westernized countries is an indisputable fact though.

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Exactly what I'm saying. It's set in opposition to the, 'Herp derp can you believe they were anti-gay / interracial marriage' trope. No one's going to care at all about the groups wanting innocence in children's shows.

Probably arrogant but idc anymore. Those who are offended by the presence of gay people in entertainment, specifically legitimate art forms in entertainment, have no taste. Gay men in particular dominate, have dominated, and always will dominate the art world because we understand difference better than anyone else, on average at least, from a young age.

If you actually talk to gay men, and to a lesser extent lesbians and trans people, then you'll find that we generally either don't care for or actively dislike increasing corporate attachments to Pride (note that I exclude "Bi" people for good reason). Pride, like the most sacred halls of gay life, is best when gate kept and geared towards adults. If any city wants a family-friendly (and inevitably corporate) Pride Parade, then so be it, but it'd be nice if there were more weekends or parades/performances only for adults.

Our cinematic culture would improve once again if nearly all movies were either clearly for adults or for children. Teens/adolescents can choose one or the other.

TCTTS said:

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Last post as I can see you're bent on a position.

My faith is not unlike many other popular ones in the world in many respects. It's odd that you're presenting it as something I expect Disney to accommodate. I don't. But I thought they would also be smart enough to add up the number of different demos that they've decided to alienate for the sake of loud activists. It's just bad business.

My Muslim friends took great issue with the stuff Disney has done as well. I have essentially non-religious friends that are still for traditional upbringing and this pissed them off. My kids are surrounded by Indian Hindus at school every day and they're shielded from even watching Dance Moms without Tiger Mom supervision. These are not fringe groups. The are a lot of demos Disney decided to tick off. And to gain what? This is my only point. From a purely capitalistic perspective, I think they've been foolish.

only Disney could be this stupid and have such amazing staying power their classic material plus Star Wars plus the Marvel stuff is hard to quit. That doesn't mean it still hasn't been a misstep strategically. Imo, it has been.

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I'm not denying a single thing you're saying. Many people of many religions - and even some secularists - are no doubt upset by depictions of gay people on screen. I'm sure they all feel as equally alienated too. Trust me, I hear as much on this board day after day after day.

Again... that's not what I'm arguing. My point is that your positions and your thoughts on the matter are only going to continue to become less and less popular, and thus more squarely found in a shrinking minority, as society inevitably marches toward a more tolerant future.

Boycott Disney all you want. Stop buying all the Bud Light for all I care. What I'm saying is that none of it is going to matter in the long run, and that your views will eventually go the way of those who were just as up in arms about black people achieving equal rights, then finding their way into more and more pop culture just the same. While Disney, and likely even Bud Light, will remain.

Also, you're just as "bent" on your position as I am on mine, so don't make it sound like I'm the only one being stubborn here.

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You're basically calling people who don't want their toddlers seeing disproportionate amounts of gay relationships on TV "intolerant". That's that Hollywood bubble like of thinking I think. This is all about children's movies and shows. Gays have always been depicted on screen and it's been no secret and most of us have enjoyed them in various shows and movies.

I lived Brendan Fraser's role as a gay man in "The Whale" and bawled my eyes out at a certain point because my sympathy overflowed for him. We're not the anti gay hicks you and the Hollywood elite and the Don Lemons of the world like to think we are.

My fav character in Southland was Officer John Cooper, a gay man…and Ron Swanson in Last of Us. We don't have problems with gays being portrayed in film and TV like you think.

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Western countries are in birth rate death spirals man. It isn't because of gays, although i guess an argument could be made that they have some non zero effect. He is saying that we won't wish we had more gays when the consequences of diminishing birth rates come to fruition, we will wish we were pushing nuclear family lifestyles on the youth. At least that is what I assume he is saying. That birth rates are declining in a LOT of westernized countries is an indisputable fact though.

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Again, get back to me in 15 years, after A.I. has taken over the world. And I don't mean of The Matrix/Terminator variety. The world is about to change in some very profound ways, to the point where current trends - socially, financially, politically, birth-rate-wise, etc - will likely be irrelevant in the face of what's to come. Whether the worst case scenario or the best. It doesn't really matter.

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Probably arrogant but idc anymore. Those who are offended by the presence of gay people in entertainment, specifically legitimate art forms in entertainment, have no taste. Gay men in particular dominate, have dominated, and always will dominate the art world because we understand difference better than anyone else, on average at least, from a young age.

If you actually talk to gay men, and to a lesser extent lesbians and trans people, then you'll find that we generally either don't care for or actively dislike increasing corporate attachments to Pride (note that I exclude "Bi" people for good reason). Pride, like the most sacred halls of gay life, is best when gate kept and geared towards adults. If any city wants a family-friendly (and inevitably corporate) Pride Parade, then so be it, but it'd be nice if there were more weekends or parades/performances only for adults.

Our cinematic culture would improve once again if nearly all movies were either clearly for adults or for children. Teens/adolescents can choose one or the other.

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Gays have been presented in entertainment for a long time, goodness, that's not what this is about. No one cares about that. I bet most of us love Elton John and would love to meet him. He was loved and accepted back in the 70's. This is about children.

Westen countries need to look at how they have destroyed the cost of living for the average person if they want to fix birth rates. I have zero facts to back this up but us being in an unsustainable financial situation across a large portion of the country has a huge part in declining growth rate. Cost of living is at an insane high so why would people be signing up to have kids when things are already so expensive.

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Western countries are in birth rate death spirals man. It isn't because of gays, although i guess an argument could be made that they have some non zero effect. He is saying that we won't wish we had more gays when the consequences of diminishing birth rates come to fruition, we will wish we were pushing nuclear family lifestyles on the youth. At least that is what I assume he is saying. That birth rates are declining in a LOT of westernized countries is an indisputable fact though.

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Again, get back to me in 15 years, after A.I. has taken over the world. And I don't mean of The Matrix/Terminator variety. The world is about to change in some very profound ways, to the point where current trends - socially, financially, politically, birth-rate-wise, etc - will likely be irrelevant in the face of what's to come. Whether the worst case scenario or the best. It doesn't really matter.

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This is one thing we agree on. I am hoping to be allowed to stay with my relative who has a thousand acres of self sustaining land with giant garden, endless hogs and other animals and running water in deep deep east Texas if and when we get to the point where life in civilization is completely unbearable.

Pretty sure poor people have the most kids.

Brittmoore Car Club said:

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TCTTS said:

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I completely understand that there are people with views different than mine. That's the base of my entire argument.

What I'm clearly stating is that I think those views are archaic, and will no doubt be viewed in 50 years with the same shock and disdain as the anti-black crowd from 50 years ago is viewed now.

Not wanting your kids to see two gay people kiss - while having no problem with them seeing two hetero people kiss - is not only hypocritical, it's a blatant tell that you have a moral or religious problem with homosexuality, which is exactly what I'm pushing against.

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Gonna be a way different perspective actually. Westernized countries in birth rate death spirals won't look back wishing they'd had more gays kissing in movies because it's 'normal'. They'll look back and wonder why they thought it was so important to show it to children when that's not where children come from.

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Exactly how big do think the gay community is? No wonder you guys are so scared of them, you're somehow disillusioned to the point of thinking there's enough of them to cause "birth rate death spirals," on a global scale. Which is, in and of itself, objectively hilarious, if not beyond paranoid.

Either way, again... no one can *make* anyone gay. You either are or you aren't. Sure, there are edge cases, and certain people have their "phases," but by and large our sexual orientation is hardwired. It's not software that can be hacked by "groomers."

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I just want to teach my kid about certain things at an appropriate age. It's one thing if it's in PG-13 movies and up, but I have a toddler and it's in so many shows meant for babies and toddlers, to a disproportionate degree, to where it really feels like an agenda to condition them (not to be gay necessarily).

I just miss the days when kids could keep their innocence a bit longer. I'd rather have a "daddy why are those men holding hands and kissing" conversation with a 10 year old than with a 3-4 year old.

Almost every couple presented on Sesame Street is not hetero. I am serious. Daniel Tiger often showcases two lesbian mother birds. I just think it's overcompensating to a large degree. It's not honest or reflective of reality.

Bluey seems like almost the only show that promotes a traditional nuclear family as a not so bad thing.

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Lightyear was rated PG (as that was what started this topic). That's not a film intended for a toddler.

In my experience kids pay far less attention to these things than certain adults do.

Likely both poor and dumb.

Thus the continued trend towards Idiocracy becoming reality.

I think you've reached the end. You are not going to convince them of anything. We are hearing the same leftist and anti-Christian talking points being spouted. The funny thing is they are pushing this at you, not because you have said anything about oppressing them or shutting them up, but simply because you say you will choose not to subject your kids to it. That is just so strange...

Apparently, being a Christian, and believing certain acts are sinful because it is literally listed as such in the bible, is akin to being a racist and thinking the different races shouldn't get married. You can't argue with that level of ignorance and foolishness.