*** UAP THREAD ***

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Just by adding something, the thread makes it's way back to the top. That in itself is important. Tim is a well spoken fella.

Most important topic ever on Texags.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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donkeykick90 said:

Thanks so much for your responses and you too Redstone. I was given his book "Birthright" by a friend. Read it all through. Very compelling case of the elder race and possible civalization prior to Adam and Eve with biblical support. Some of its stretched like Rehab being mars and how there was this massive battle long ago. His hermeneutics are okay but I'm not expert.

I agree when I hear him speak there's an arrogance to him.
I highly recommend listening to Blurry Creatures podcast where the talk about UAPs, aliens, nephilim, megaliths, other types of creatures from a biblical perspective. They've featured Heiser, Alberino, Joel Mudamalle, some ex UFO govt folks. Fun podcast with 80s vibes. I don't believe everything but it's a damn fun listen!

One of the hosts is Luke Rodger's, brother of Aaron Rodger's (NFL QB) and Jordan Rogders (SEC media guy)

I find myself increasingly open to this idea, and it's a big part of the Jason Jorjani interview I posted earlier. His theory on how such a civilization potentially came to be is pretty wild, but if you can accept the basic conceit of his theory, it weirdly makes the most sense.

Will also check out Blurry Creatures. I had no idea there was a third Rodgers brother!
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Can you please explain a little further with a short synopsis?
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He says that aliens probably exist, a spiritual world also (even as he's a firm atheist), tic tac Naval videos are SkunkWorks secret technology, and many of the encounters are of time traveling humans, including to far past of artifacts in stratums archeologists don't have clear answers for. He's an Iranian nationalist pagan, very smart and well read, but didn't reconcile some materialist contradictions in nearly 4 hours.
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So both extraterrestrials exist, and there is also a "spiritual" world that exists.

Do I these aliens work with or for or against the spiritual world?
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My views, which you articulated and I explained just above, are not his. I believe that a spiritual world (or worlds) exist, and even if only our material world….a deity is necessary, UNTIL it is proven materially that something can be generated by nothing.

While Jorjani does seem honest about his sources (ie elevator bunkers to underground facilities) and I enjoyed the interview, atheism unexplained was a major shortcoming. (Free will arguments are weak)
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Elizondo Catalyst: August Will Be Huge for UFO Disclosure
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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aggiebird02 said:

Can you please explain a little further with a short synopsis?

First of all, I fully admit that this sounds like a bat**** insane episode of Ancient Aliens, and I'm not at all going to do Jorjani's argument justice. That said, to expand on it a bit more, this is the basic gist of his (again, way, way out there) theory…

- Future-Earth humans, in order to flee some kind of civilization-ending threat or disaster, traveled back in time, more than 12,500 years ago, and settled on Antarctica.

- Most UAPs likely come from this civilization, and are able to bend space and time in such a way that they're essentially time machines.

- Prior to 12,500 years ago, Antartica wasn't as south as it is now, and thus had a more hospitable climate. The continent eventually shifted, though, due to some kind of cataclysmic crust/pole shift that may or may not tie into/explain the Younger Dryas Impact Theory (I admittedly didn't fully grasp this bit, or the order of potential events, so I'm almost assuredly off here).

- Antarctica was the perfect continent for a future civilization to hide on, so as to not overtly interact with the rest of humanity, seeing as it's so remote, surrounded on all sides by four oceans, and wasn't even discovered by modern man until the 1800s.

- Not to mention, most of present-day Antartica is off limits to the public, with strict no fly zones over the vast majority of it, and Jorjani argues this could be because "Atlantis" is buried underneath it, and to whatever degree is likely still in operation today.

- Ultimately, these Antarctica-dwelling future-humans, in some way, shape, or form, are limiting human potential, so as to keep a certain hierarchy, wherein they remain on top, and in the shadows.

Again…I FULLY realize how nuts this all sounds, and I'm not outright buying any of it. Rather, I'm simply saying that the way Jorjani presents his theory, with so much more context, and so many more facts and figures than I've presented here, along with his matter-of-fact demeanor, makes his theory far more compelling than it has any right to be.

That, and with more and more scholars seemingly subscribing to the idea of an elder race/pre-modern-man advanced civilization (for instance, though I know he has his detractors, see Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse series on Netflix), this is the only theory I've heard so far that would not only explain how such a civilization came to be, but why we haven't found any remains/evidence of it yet. Heck, it would even explain why "aliens" have so much interest in our nuclear capabilities, in that these "aliens" actually share the earth with us, and have a vested interest in it not being destroyed.
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Redstone said:

My views, which you articulated and I explained just above, are not his. I believe that a spiritual world (or worlds) exist, and even if only our material world….a deity is necessary, UNTIL it is proven materially that something can be generated by nothing.

While Jorjani does seem honest about his sources (ie elevator bunkers to underground facilities) and I enjoyed the interview, atheism unexplained was a major shortcoming. (Free will arguments are weak)

I could be wrong, but I don't remember hearing him specifically call it a "spiritual world." Or, if he did, I took it to simply mean another dimension/plane of existence. IMO, what he's arguing is that there is/could be an opposing, inter-dimensional civilization that's trying to free humanity from the influence of the Antartica-dwelling future humans (good gosh, I just cringed at what might be the nerdiest sentence I've ever typed). Not that they come from a "spiritual world" in the biblical sense.

And while I'm fully with you that something can't be generated by nothing, I don't necessarily believe that our material reality HAS to come from a "deity" in the traditional sense. In fact, there are all kinds of emerging studies having to do with the quantum world, theorizing that matter doesn't produce consciousness, but rather consciousness produces matter. And if so, consciousness would be the base/default of all existence, and outside of space and time, wouldn't require a beginning. It's simply what is, and what has always been. To that end, for all intents and purposes, "consciousness" and God would be essentially the same thing. It just depends on the lens one is looking through - religion or science.
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Fair enough. The interviewer should have pressed his view of the inter-dimensional / spiritual / metaphysical that was definitely in the interview. Another reason such openness is incompatible with atheism is related to First Cause - by what materialist evidence did such a reality evolve?
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If consciousness and God are essentially one and the same, consciousness can have "wants" just like a deity does, and to that end serve as the impetus/cause for creation in much the same way.

I wish I would have bookmarked it, but I once read an article that proposed that consciousness created life (and reality before it) in order to experience empathy/an "other." Basically, the theory was, consciousness is filtering itself through all of life, throughout the universe, and whenever something dies, that experience then returns to the source consciousness, outside of space and time, having gained a new perspective.

Sure, on one hand it sounds like new age mumbo jumbo. But on the other, it honestly makes more sense to me than a God creating man solely to love him back, and if we don't, he sends what ultimately amounts to the vast majority of his creations to hell, after their one, fleeting chance in this world, having had no choice to have been born/participate in the first place.

At least with the consciousness theory, we're all from the same source, and thus had agency in our existence, and we aren't punished for all eternity if we fail some arbitrary test.
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In Apostolic theology, primarily the mysticism and less scholastic thought of Orthodox, "consciousness" is God - a personal spirit that created humanity for the end of joining a Beatific Vision - full communion to the consciousness. Related to Plato's concept of forms and Forms, Love Itself created love. Important distinction - Spirit is active and personal.

The problem of evil is reconcilable and quite difficult - permitted to being greater good, or as a chastisement (to the end of choosing a turn to good / The Good). Although I would of course agree that, say, kid's cancer is impossible to comprehend. (If we wanted to get hardcore Catholic, could speculate its for the soul of the child, who may turn away as an adult)

Point is, IF such a spirit world with a creator exists, a personal one that cares and allows us to our wills, mostly, its logical to suggest ALL are given the opportunity of theosis to Logos.

For aliens, similar - possibly deformed by a fall, capable of redemption, with wills for evil and good, developing technologies, and in some capacity spiritual, as humans embody for decades.
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UAP Intrusions at Nuclear Sites: New Evidence and Coverups
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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Eventually, as more and more information comes to light and becomes more widely accepted, this reality will render many religions inert. Especially Islam, Judaism and Christianity. This is one of the motivations for the initial cover-up. Many will attempt to reconcile it with deeply ingrained religious notions, but at some point truth will become obvious IMO.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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Your repeated atheist lectures really detract from the substance of this thread. You are entitled to your own beliefs, but repeatedly pushing them here is disrespectful.
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Why experts think the Pentagon covers up UAP reports | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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Gone are the days where a book like this is either self-published or receives no fanfare/marketing whatsoever, and is only for the die-hards regardless. Instead, I love that this release is being taken seriously by such a massive publisher, and treated like a legit event/big deal...

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I wonder how much money Luis will make off that book
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Hopefully enough to be able to keep doing exactly what he's been doing, full-time.

If you're hinting at this being at all fishy or dishonorable in some way because he's making money off of it, again, I don't know how else these guys are supposed to keep pushing this subject forward if they can't support themselves and their families in the process.
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TCTTS said:

Hopefully enough to be able to keep doing exactly what he's been doing, full-time.

If you're hinting at this being at all fishy or dishonorable in some way because he's making money off of it, again, I don't know how else these guys are supposed to keep pushing this subject forward if they can't support themselves and their families in the process.


I haven't been keeping up with it outside of this thread, but is there supposed to be anything in it we haven't already heard from him?
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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I think a lot of it is expanding on and going into more detail about what he's already said, but then there are apparently new revelations as well, yes. Granted, it's not a full-on tell-all, and he still can't discuss classified information, obviously, but this isn't supposed to be a retread either.
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I have no problem with anyone making a buck.
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Did a UFO crash in Kingman? Leaked documents claim it did.

"Right now, we haven't gone that far back.We're dealing with the recovered UAP that landed in Kingman, AZ in the 50's. We now know the management structure and security control systems and ownership of the crash retrieval. We also know who recovers landed or crashed UAPs under what authorities. We also know that a still-highly classified memo by a Secretary of the USAF in the 1950's is still in effect to maintain the cover on UAPs."

~Chris Mellon, Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence in the Clinton administration. April 20, 2024
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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Recollections of the 1947 Roswell UFO incident: crash at Corona & the Plains of San Agustin event

Nice compilation of quite a few witness testimonies.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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Did Tim Burchett See a UFO? Jon Stewart Bombshell
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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JFK, UFOs and the Majestic 12 files | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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Everyone's favorite UAP watchdog congresswoman thirst trapping online. She fine though.

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Getting awful close...


Sea Speed
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Sheeeiit, we've been there.
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n/m; found it.
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Perhaps she is privy to too much? Each will process and handle it in their own unique way I would guess.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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There will be TWO UFO hearings in September?
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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