Just a general notion -

It really helps the readability of the thread to respond directly (a little arrow with a link) instead of quoting large blocks of text. Please.

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Much of his interviews fits with the 4chan Imgur I post periodically. And we definitely have pilots on record talking about something slamming into oceans.

https://imgur.com/a/NXjWQaN

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You mean the one I posted first?

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I'm not sure if this link was posted on here. I know ufo's being built to spec by an undewater construction facility was at least mentioned in passing at some point. Anyways, I finally gave it a read and found it quite interesting.

4chan snapshat of the conversation - underwater construction facility

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tldr from reddit:

• UFOs are primarily unmanned drones
• UFOs are built to spec each time they are deployed
• UFOs are created by a mobile construction facility that hides in the ocean
• Construction facility destroys anything that comes close to it and will disappear for days when approached aggressively
• US believes the facility has been active on earth for at least 100 years or much longer (100 years would explain some of the early crashes, but 4000 years would explain some of the supernatural accounts from a long time ago)

There is much more information in the thread if anyone is interested.

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I do think it potentially provides some insight into why such matters might be kept confidential. If UFOs were simply arriving from other planets, it would be fascinating but might not present the same level of threat as the existence of an active base deploying UFOs for ongoing operations, with our apparent inability to intervene.

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To be fair, it looks like it was first posted byTKEAg04 on 8/1


I try not to give much credence to one story arc aligning with another, if you were to make something up, you would also want to ensure it aligned with what has been previously mentioned.

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...one of the most renowned scientists in the world, Dr. Garry Nolen...

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This is the sort of thing I was talking about earlier. They all know each other

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...one of the most renowned scientists in the world, Dr. Garry Nolen...

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This is the sort of thing I was talking about earlier. They all know each other

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umm, so that makes him not a renowned scientist???

https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/garry-nolan

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Dr. Nolan is the Rachford and Carlota A. Harris Professor in the Department of Pathology at Stanford University School of Medicine. He trained with Leonard Herzenberg (for his Ph.D.) and Nobelist Dr. David Baltimore (for postdoctoral work for the first cloning/characterization of NF-B p65/ RelA and the development of rapid retroviral production systems). He has published over 330 research articles and is the holder of 50 US patents, and has been honored as one of the top 25 inventors at Stanford University.

Dr. Nolan is the first recipient of the Teal Innovator Award (2012) from the Department of Defense (a $3.3 million grant for advanced studies in ovarian cancer), the first recipient of an FDA BAAA, for "Bio-agent protection" grant, $3million, from the FDA for a "Cross-Species Immune System Reference", and received the award for "Outstanding Research Achievement in 2011" from the Nature Publishing Group for his development of CyTOF applications in the immune system. Dr. Nolan has new efforts in the study of Ebola, having developed instrument platforms to deploy in the field in Africa to study Ebola samples safely with the need to transport them to overseas labs (funded by a new $3.5 million grant from the FDA) and another grant to study the effects of Zika and Ebola viruses on humans (also from the FDA).

Dr. Nolan is an outspoken proponent of translating public investment in basic research to serve the public welfare. Dr. Nolan was the founder of Rigel Inc. (NASDAQ: RIGL), and Nodality, Inc. (a diagnostics development company), BINA (a genomics computational infrastructure company sold to Roche Diagnostics), Founder of Apprise (sold to Roche Sequencing Solutions), co-Founder of Ionpath, co-Founder of Akoya, and serves on the Boards of Directors of several companies as well as consults for other biotechnology companies. DVS Sciences, on which he was Chair of the Scientific Advisory Board, recently sold to Fluidigm for $207 million dollars (2014) on an investment of $14 million. Dr. Nolan is a member of the Parker Institute for Cancer Immunotherapy at Stanford.

His areas of research include hematopoiesis, cancer and leukemia, autoimmunity and inflammation, and computational approaches for network and systems immunology. Dr. Nolan's recent efforts are focused on a single cell analysis advance using a mass spectrometry-flow cytometry hybrid device, the so- call "CyTOF" and the "Multiparameter Ion Beam Imager" (MIBI) developed by Dr. Mike Angelo in his lab (Dr. Angelo is now an Assistant Professor in the Dept of Pathology at Stanford). The approaches use an advanced ion plasma source to determine the levels of tagged reagents bound to cellsenabling a vast increase in the number of parameters that can be measured per celleither as flow cytometry devices (CyTOF) or imaging platforms for cancer (MIBI). Further efforts with another imaging platform termed CODEX (Akoya, Inc.) that inexpensively converts fluorescence scopes to high dimensional imaging platforms.

Dr. Nolan's efforts are to enable a deeper understanding not only of normal immune function, trauma, pathogen infection, and other inflammatory events but also detailed substructures of leukemias and solid cancers and their interactions with the immune systemwhich will enable wholly new understandings that will enable better management of disease and clinical outcomes.

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Being a renowned scientist, which I'm not disputing (sorry if it came across that way), has nothing to do with the fact that he runs in the same UFO crowds as everyone else, which should make people hesitate before believing his UFO claims at face value.

The rest of the stuff I've found, so far, hasn't really discussed anything about the damage to the brains he studied being caused by UAPs or similar. Only that they studied some brains, and found that over connected damage.

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Being a renowned scientist, which I'm not disputing (sorry if it came across that way), has nothing to do with the fact that he runs in the same UFO crowds as everyone else, which should make people hesitate before believing his UFO claims at face value.

The rest of the stuff I've found, so far, hasn't really discussed anything about the damage to the brains he studied being caused by UAPs or similar. Only that they studied some brains, and found that over connected damage.

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1. I assume most of us aren't taking them at face value. Do I think they are credible? Yes, and I do give them the benefit of the doubt, but it is still hearsay at this point.

2. I think it just as equally makes sense for them to know each other and have conversations if they are telling the truth. Given the claims each has made independently, I would actually be a little irritated if we learned they hadn't spoken.

3. What's not to like about this guy:

Dear Astrophysicist ⁦⁦@neiltyson⁩, ⁦@GarryPNolan⁩ from Stanford University has a message just for you regarding your position on the UAP phenomenon: pic.twitter.com/2Gxv4BOxDk

— James Fox (@jamescfox) January 30, 2024

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Being a renowned scientist, which I'm not disputing (sorry if it came across that way), has nothing to do with the fact that he runs in the same UFO crowds as everyone else, which should make people hesitate before believing his UFO claims at face value.

The rest of the stuff I've found, so far, hasn't really discussed anything about the damage to the brains he studied being caused by UAPs or similar. Only that they studied some brains, and found that over connected damage.

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Why, though? Nolen is a highly reputable scientist, one of the few so far willing to seriously study this subject, put his reputation on the line, etc. So when Grusch blew the whistle, of course Nolen wanted to talk to him, pick his brain, and vice versa, thus they became friends/colleagues.

What on earth about that should make anyone "hesitate"?

It's not like they knew each other prior to all this, or hatched some scheme together. They're two highly reputable individuals, from two different fields, who are not only both "believers," but have all kinds of experience dealing with this subject on an official level. So why wouldn't they join forces, so to speak?

Again, I'm all for coming at this with a critical eye, but this kind of rationale makes absolutely no sense to me.

So good.

I took it to mean he knew Grusch before he was a household name

Nolan has been to sites in NM with the approval of black box budget security state bigwigs.

I'm 99.9% sure they didn't know each before Grusch came forward. And when I say "came forward" I mean to the ICIG, not to the public, as Grusch and Nolen could have very well met in that year-or-so period of time between Grusch officially becoming a whistleblower and Grusch going public. Or, for all we know they could have met in June. Either way they weren't buddies or anything like that.

I have been trying to read more on some of the stuff TC posted earlier in response to me, and it lead me back to this part of one of the posts:

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As for our own "psionic abilities," one of the most renowned scientists in the world, Dr. Garry Nolen, was literally asked by our government to examine the brain "damage" of military personnel who claim to have come in contact with UFOs. This was a legit scientific study, backed by our own government, and what Nolen ultimately found was an "over-connection of neurons between the head of the caudate and the putamen" in a number of these individuals. Not only that, but many of their family members shared the same "over-connected" traits in their brains. So who's to say that some of these "higher functioning" individuals can't better connect, or better "speak" to some kind of reverse-engineered NHI tech that reads brainwaves in order to function? And considering this is likely an inherited trait, who's to say some lineages aren't stronger in this trait than others?

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May I ask what you mean by the term "higher functioning?"

Well, we can all play basketball, but you want NBA.
As embodied spirits, humans can inadvertently "tune in" to unseen realities and dimensions of consciousness, and can be trained to do so, and can have innate talents, ect. Or combos thereof. Can run in families, like LeBron and Bronny.

Abductees and NDE experiencers routinely report telepathic communication, across time and environment, often focused on the pineal.

Does the heart good to see folks begin to connect the dots. Not said lightly.

Crash vehicle recovery manual

Ryan Wood has done a boat-load of research into this document.

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I have been trying to read more on some of the stuff TC posted earlier in response to me, and it lead me back to this part of one of the posts:

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As for our own "psionic abilities," one of the most renowned scientists in the world, Dr. Garry Nolen, was literally asked by our government to examine the brain "damage" of military personnel who claim to have come in contact with UFOs. This was a legit scientific study, backed by our own government, and what Nolen ultimately found was an "over-connection of neurons between the head of the caudate and the putamen" in a number of these individuals. Not only that, but many of their family members shared the same "over-connected" traits in their brains. So who's to say that some of these "higher functioning" individuals can't better connect, or better "speak" to some kind of reverse-engineered NHI tech that reads brainwaves in order to function? And considering this is likely an inherited trait, who's to say some lineages aren't stronger in this trait than others?

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May I ask what you mean by the term "higher functioning?"

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The way Nolan describes it...

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"For a couple of these individuals we had MRIs from prior years. They had it before they had these incidents. It was pretty obvious, then, that this was something that people were born with. It's a goal sub-goal setting planning device, it's called the brain within the brain. It's an extraordinary thing. This area of the brain is involved (partly) in what we call intuition. For instance, Japanese chess players were measured as they made what would be construed as a brilliant decision that is not obvious for anybody to have made that kind of leap of intuition, this area of the brain lights up. We had found people who had this in spades. These are all so called high-functioning people. They're pilots who are making split second decisions, intelligence officers in the field, etc.

Everybody has this connectivity region in general, but let's say for the average person that the density level is 1x. Most of the people in the study had 5x to 10x and up to 15x, the normal density in this region. In this case we are speculating that density implies some sort of neuronal function."

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To be clear, I'm not making a direct correlation between these exact people in the study and those with so-called "psionic abilities." I'm merely saying that we're learning new things about the brain all the time, and that it's not that big of a leap to potentially go from "high-functioning" in the ways Nolan is discovering to - perhaps - expanded "psionic abilities" in these types of people. Especially when you consider the conversations about the nature of consciousness I mentioned earlier, the fact that the government seriously engaged in remote viewing studies for decades, etc.

I am not suggesting there are not people in it just for the money.

There is.

But money is not the only nor the primary reason for the increased attention. And the actual scale of the monetary gain is always grossly overstimated.

This is also not what JC actually earns.

— Lester Nare (@lesternare) January 31, 2024

Absolutely. I think that's the real money conversation that you are not having.

— Lester Nare (@lesternare) February 1, 2024

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The prevailing narrative that financial gain is the primary catalyst behind the surge in UAP/UFO discourse is not just oversimplified, it's completely untrue. This assertion, often perpetuated by journalists without evidence, paints a picture far removed from reality.

To put things into perspective, consider the entire UAP media landscape. How does its "market value" stack up against other sectors? The truth is, when you dissect the financial backbone of UAP-centric organizations, weighing their capital investment against actual profits, the numbers tell a different story. Surprisingly, one could argue that the monetary returns from dedicated UAP media endeavors pale in comparison to something as commonplace as dog sitting.

Let's take @JeremyCorbell for example since he was referenced directly in the @NYMag article. He is often cited as an exemplar of what the author calls the "American saucerism's profitable loop." Yet, a closer examination of his theoretical earnings quickly unravels that narrative.

Corbell, a "key influencer" in the UAP sphere, ostensibly has limited avenues for monetization:

- YouTube and Podcast Ads
- Merchandise Sales
- Streaming Revenue from films

Conspicuously absent from his portfolio are:

- News Appearance Fees
- Subscription Services like Patreon
- Brand Endorsements
(a rarity in this niche)
- Government Contracts
(he is not a technical SME)

Let's break down the numbers.

YouTube:
Assuming Corbell hits 1 million views monthly, a generous estimate given he's only hit that milestone 1 out of the last 12 months (source: YouTube), the math doesn't quite add up to a gold mine. With a 60% ad fill rate and an average $2 CPM, his net monthly YouTube revenue, after the platform's cut (45%), stands at a mere $660.

Podcasts:
Podcasts, albeit with a higher CPM of $4 due to engaged listeners, would only bump his earnings to $1,320 monthly, assuming similar audience numbers and platform cut to his YouTube channel.

Merchandise:
Corbell's merchandise, hosted on Extraordinary Beliefs, averaged 10.2k monthly visitors over the last three months, with only 8% (816 people/mo) from the US (source: Alexa Rankings). Even with an optimistic 1.5% conversion rate (e-commerce industry averages 1-2%) and a 60% cost to the print-on-demand service, the additional revenue is just $1,836 monthly.

Annual Total:
Cumulatively, these channels would yield Corbell an annual pre-tax income of approximately $45,792. This figure not only falls well short of the "lucrative" label but is also eclipsed by the salary of dog sitters I know personally.

The main unknown in this scenario is the film streaming revenue because we have no way to know how his deal is structured. Even if you added that into the equation, and it doubled his annualized earnings to $90k (again pre-tax), we're talking about earnings just slightly above the national median household income for the "biggest influencer in UAP".

"Wait, but what about all that UFO book money?"

The Authors Guild Survey in 2018 listed the median annual income for authors who reported based on book-related activities only at $6,080.

Jeremy has only released 1 book in 2007 with 4 reviews and ranked 2,996,038 on Amazon.

This fiscal snapshot, while focused on Corbell, reflects a broader trend within the UAP media segment. The notion of current UAP media as a "lucrative" venture crumbles under scrutiny, especially when juxtaposed with the earnings of mainstream media personalities like Tucker Carlson, who reportedly rakes in *millions* annually.

The takeaway here is profound yet straightforward: the driving force behind UAP discourse transcends mere monetary gain. It's a blend of genuine curiosity, a quest for understanding, and a passion for exploring the unknown. As we navigate through the sensationalism and skepticism that often cloud the UAP conversation, it's crucial to acknowledge the diverse motivations at play, many of which are far richer than any potential paycheck.

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We've Got Chilling Audio of Pilots and ATC Talking About UFOs Flying in Triangle Formations High Over Canada https://t.co/u1oHOP9qny pic.twitter.com/h4WSfhoRhS

— Barstool Sports (@barstoolsports) February 2, 2024

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I laughed

Good discussion here with Peter Levenda and Whitley Strieber:

Peter Levenda on the Sinister Forces Fighting UAP Disclosure

The Ultimate Ross Coulthart UFO Marathon-live via Project Unity

Good discussion here

If folks are going to opine on the ICIG finding Grusch’s urgent concern “credible and urgent,” they should probably read what that process looks like.

Pines breaks down the procedures below 👇 https://t.co/hDsA1P19yZ

— Daniel Miller (SiCcOp) (@SicCoP1) February 5, 2024

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Nolan says brain studies show that about one percent of people have structures in their brains that allow them to perceive things others cannot - a feature of intelligence that can be passed down in families. He has been tested, and he has it. This might account for some people being able to see UFOs, and others not.

Nolan predicts that we are a couple of years away from a major disclosure. And "it's pretty well known" that those who want to keep all this secret believe that it's demonic. Coulthart says that he has spoken to sources in the US Air Force who have warned him to stay away from this story, because these things are evil.

Nolan:
"To me, even if it is demonic, I want to understand what they're doing, and what their intent is"

Indeed, IF they are indeed "demonic" why doesn't the Pentagon simply say so? We are one nation under god after all...we can handle it.

But why would demons disable our nuclear tipped ICBM's?

Demonic is a "catch-all" term and the better term is elohim, or primarily a spiritual entity. (This does not exclude other materialist creations, as hominids are embodied spirits.)

Some elohims are fallen, and some are not. There are different functions - ie angel / messenger and satan / accuser.

Therefore, "demons" are potentially and partially accurate, depending.

They're "demonic" only if you're a religious/Christian person. If you're not, they're potentially some kind of "spiritual"/quantum/multi-dimensional entity we don't yet understand, who may or may not have nefarious intent. Or, rather, what we deem "nefarious" could simply be indifference to them.

Point is, "demonic" is in the eye of the beholder, and the reality is likely something so much more complex, that we might not yet even be capable of understanding.

Trying to define them based on our own limited understanding of existence, and peg them to our own religions and philosophies, is ultimately a fool's errand, IMO. Personally, in certain instances, I think their existence can help us make sense of our religion(s), but I'm not so sure our religions can make sense of them. And I don't understand why anyone would ever try to limit their perspective in that regard, as to what these things may or may not be.

Agree. Even in a religious context, angel / demon doesn't fully fit -

- God's council (Psalms 82)
- Princes of territories (Daniel 10)

The reality will cause much re-evaluation of just about everything. But it needed to happen.

Nolan is honest, a serious scientist, and an experiencer. So being "tuned in" if that exists is noteworthy here.

This is just for starters evidently.

For the Super Bowl, directed by/featuring Martin Scorsese...

"There was a historic hearing today on Capitol Hill in an unprecedented bi-partisan push for UFO transparency."

Yes, it's tongue in cheek overall, but I have to admit, a reference to the House Oversight Committee's UAP hearing, finally hitting the mainstream/zeitgeist in this way, feels like a small victory. I'll take what I can get.