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"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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I refer to all this stuff as the Blurryverse. It includes skinwalkers, UFO's, UAP, Dogman, Bigfoot and the like. You can go down the rabbit hole real quick with this stuff but it's fascinating
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Indeed....

"I would do it [study UFOs], but before agreeing to do it, we must insist upon full access to discs (EXTRATERRESTRIAL vehicle) recovered. For instance, in the L.A. case, the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination." J. Edgar Hoover-Director of FBI

The security guard called and said, "Sir, there's a glowing red object hovering right outside the front gate. I've got all the men out here with their weapons drawn." We lost between 16-18 ICBMs (nuclear tipped Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles) at the same time UFOs were in the area… (A high-ranking Air Force officer) said, "Stop the investigation; do no more on this and do not write a final report. I heard that many of the guards that reported the incident were sent off to Vietnam." Captain Robert Salas, USAF, during a videotaped interview for the Disclosure program.

"A few insiders know the truth...and are studying the bodies that have been discovered." -Dr. Edgar Mitchell Apollo 14..the 6th NASA employee to walk on the Moon.

"Maximum security exists concerning the subject of UFOs." CIA Director, Allen Dulles, 1955.

"It's still classified above Top Secret." - Senator Barry Goldwater, 1975

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.

"We alone cannot take credit for our technological advances,we have had help from people of other worlds". Dr. Herman Oberth, father of rocketry and aeronautics - American Weekly 1954

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" -William Casey, CIA director, 1981

"Yes, there have been ET visitations. There have been crashed craft. There have been material and bodies recovered. There has been a certain amount of reverse engineering that has allowed some of these craft, or some components, to be duplicated. And there is some group of people that may or may not be associated with the government at this point that have this knowledge. They have been attempting to conceal this knowledge. People in high level government have very little, if any, valid information about this. It has been the subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and create confusion so the truth doesn't come out. " Edgar D. Mitchell, The Way of the Explorer: An Apollo Astronaut's Journey Through the Material and Mystical World

AFFIDAVIT (1) My name is Thomas Jefferson Dubose (2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX (3) I retired from the U.S. Air force in 1959 with the rank of Brigadier General. (4) In July 1947, I was stationed at Fort Worth Army Air Field [later Carswell Air Force Base] in Fort Worth, Texas. I served as Chief of Staff to Major General Roger Ramey, Commander, Eighth Air Force. I had the rank of Colonel. (5) In early July, I received a phone call from Maj. Gen. Clements McMullen, Deputy Commander, Strategic Air Command. He asked what we knew about the object which had been recovered outside Roswell, New Mexico, as reported in the press. I called Col. William Blanchard, Commander of the Roswell Army Air Field, and directed him to send the material in a sealed container to me at Fort Worth. I so informed Maj. Gen. McMullen. (6) After the plane from Roswell arrived with the material, I asked the Base Commander, Col. Al Clark, to take possession of the material and to personally transport it in a B-26 to Maj. Gen. McMullen in Washington, D.C. I notified Maj. Gen. McMullen, and he told me he would send the material by personal courier on his plane to Benjamin Chidlaw, Commanding General of the Air Material Command at Wright Field [later Wright Patterson AFB]. The entire operation was conducted under the strictest secrecy. (7) The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey's office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press. (8) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection. Signed: T. J. Dubose Date: 9/16/91 Signature witnessed by: Linda R. Split Notary Public, State of Florida.

"There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself. " Daniel Inouye Senate Select Committee on Secret Military Assistance to Iran and the Nicaraguan Opposition (Iran-Contra hearings) (1987)

"There is a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populace which is extremely unethical and immoral. We are most definitely not alone."- 36-year-old David Grusch has served in the Air Force for 14 years and is a decorated Afghanistan combat officer who had earlier worked with the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA).

"What concerns me is that there is no 'Oversight' from our elected officials on anything associated with our government possessing or working on craft that we believe are not from this world"Retired Navy Cmdr. David Fravor

"I recall the oversight committees asking about long-rumored UAP satellite data back in 2017 when I first brought the committees unclassified military UAP videos and worked with Lue Elizondo to make introductions to Navy aviators. The fact this data has still not been shared with the oversight committees is simply outrageous. AARO and the Administration cannot claim to be acting in good faith on the UAP issue while blatantly ignoring these lawful requests." ~Chris Mellon- former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence

REMOTE VIEWING data (a technique developed by our CIA and Stanford Research Institute for military espionage purposes) PER FARSIGHT INSTITUTE suggests...Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven...perhaps it was someone else? The Great Pyramid and other ancient sites and structures were not solely built by our kind.
Many other topics begin to make sense.. It has been said that after President Carter was finally briefed on the et reality, he was deeply upset. For several weeks..

MEANINGFUL, full-blown congressional hearings with power to subpoena must be held. The constitutionally illegal, EXTRATERRESTRIAL and associated TIME TRAVEL (This is the reality "they" really DON'T want disclosed) and SECRET SPACE PROGRAMS cover-ups must be exposed. Just what are the results from the decades of back-engineering recovered non-human materials and craft? Who has been footing the bill for that? The legal/moral sources... How can we truly believe anything our elected officials say? The longer an "official" disclosure is delayed...the more disruptive it could be. And that would be just a start. Our government has been gifted a golden opportunity here to prove their worth. To restore at least some measure of trust. The general public is waiting to be given permission to believe...to know.

No more dog and pony shows.










"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Shawn Ryan (youtube) put out a teaser for an interview with the current owner of Skinwalker Ranch and the research they have been "documenting" on History Channel (yes I put the documenting in quotes).

Lots of people are really interested in this. I find it very intriguing in a bigger type of picture mindset. Too many people over a lot of time have had some crazy experiences with this area. I have always tried to keep an open mind about UFO/UAP and this ties in with a lot of what people are experiencing. Take note they are calling it more and more "phenomenon" and not necessarily extra terrestrials. Should be an interesting interview to say the least.

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Folks are waking up..
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Dulles was a sinister figure, almost as bad as LBJ and his long-time neighbor Hoover.

I agree he was the main early organizer of the cover-up and compartmentalization.
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TCTTS said:





Ties in EXACTLY with what I posted earlier about who/what departments were maintaining the coverup.
Aztec1948
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Allen was a real......trooper. Bad medicine...

"Maximum security exists concerning the subject of UFOs."

Allen Dulles

Former President Truman, whose Administration established the C.I.A. in 1947 (soon after the vehicle crash in Roswell..), said in 1963 that by then he saw "something about the way the C.I.A. has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic positions, and I feel that we need to correct it."
And President Kennedy, as the enormity of the Bay of Pigs disaster came home to him, said to one of the highest officials of his Administration that he "wanted to splinter the C.I.A. in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds."


perhaps JFK will get the last laugh after all
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Aztec1948
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Yup, questions...so many questions.



Here is a former CIA official's take on the matter.

"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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The answer may lie in Peru!

https://www.themirror.com/news/world-news/terrified-peruvian-villagers-claim-under-50897
Aztec1948
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oragator said:

The answer may lie in Peru!

https://www.themirror.com/news/world-news/terrified-peruvian-villagers-claim-under-50897
What do we think about this? My first thought actually was somebody dressing up and just messing around with these poor folk. That was before I saw some of the audio/video clips. Being fully convinced that et has been interacting with us for a very long time opens up all sorts of possibilities. Perhaps this is part of one factions part in the disclosure process...who knows.

Be nice if someone could produce a body. Keep the Peruvian military away...

Something similar to this occurred in Brazil and we (our Air Force) gathered the bodies and flew them back stateside.

And these town folks appeared to be drop-dead serious:

"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Anyone sense an intense battle is taking place?

over a stinkin weather balloon....
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Here's the Intercept story

https://theintercept.com/2023/08/09/ufo-david-grusch-clearance/


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TCTTS said:





The tip could have just as easily come from a friend of Grusch's wife but the point remains that nothing revealed in the Intercept article automatically means Grusch is lying or his claims are bogus.
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Rocagnante said:

Here's the Intercept story

https://theintercept.com/2023/08/09/ufo-david-grusch-clearance/
Doesn't do him any favors but at this point, it's not about Grusch ... it's about whether there's anything verifiable in his congressional testimony.
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This is where we are at.
All over a stinkin weather balloon....

Or a mogul balloon.

Or a..




"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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What if Grusch is the hand of mystery and deception? His claims kind of read like bad sci-fi playing on tropes of the past 30 years (with a sprinkle of DaVinci Code thrown in for good measure). But what if that's the point….notice how no one is really talking about the Navy pilots anymore?

If say China somehow had a technological breakthrough and is making the drones these pilots have seen the past few years, then that would give them a huge advantage in a conflict.

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Rocagnante said:

What if Grusch is the hand of mystery and deception? His claims kind of read like bad sci-fi playing on tropes of the past 30 years (with a sprinkle of DaVinci Code thrown in for good measure). But what if that's the point….notice how no one is really talking about the Navy pilots anymore?

If say China somehow had a technological breakthrough and is making the drones these pilots have seen the past few years, then that would give them a huge advantage in a conflict.


Perhaps. Not if you've really looked into this subject though. The most likely conclusion IMO, is the most simple one. The deception is whoever is responsible for the untruths/cover-up that have been told about this reality for over 75 years. We are all waiting to be given permission to fully realize that truth.
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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That's the thing I really have looked into this which is why I don't put the probability at zero. It's just I think there are less sensational explanations that should be vetted first.

Which is more likely: advanced drones or the US being in possession of (and successfully hiding) football field sized spaceships? If the later is true then you'll still get there by starting with the former.
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Rocagnante said:

That's the thing I really have looked into this which is why I don't put the probability at zero. It's just I think there are less sensational explanations that should be vetted first.

Which is more likely: advanced drones or the US being in possession of (and successfully hiding) football field sized spaceships? If the later is true then you'll still get there by starting with the former.

SHIELD calls theirs the Helicarrier.

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Rocagnante said:

That's the thing I really have looked into this which is why I don't put the probability at zero. It's just I think there are less sensational explanations that should be vetted first.

Which is more likely: advanced drones or the US being in possession of (and successfully hiding) football field sized spaceships? If the later is true then you'll still get there by starting with the former.
Perhaps it's sensational because we have been told that since 1947? The data suggests et craft and vehicles are in great abundance. AND we have had some measure of success back-engineering them.

the plot thickens...over a wx balloon?

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.

"We alone cannot take credit for our technological advances,we have had help from people of other worlds". Dr. Herman Oberth, father of rocketry and aeronautics - American Weekly 1954

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" -William Casey, CIA director, 1981


"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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Did a double take to make certain they didn't get Vlad Putin on their podcast.
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TCTTS said:




Yikes…. That's a pretty smoky gun.
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I was a full bird colonel equivalent as well for the us govt (really captain as i was with the navy) and also had a top secret clearance but I of course was not in the same circles as this guy. The above in and of itself means absolutely nothing. If you let that sway you for him I reckon you should do the same for me, all other things being equal. Food for thought.
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TCTTS said:




Pretty low quality human to try and use PTSD as a "negative". As others have said I believe that will blow up in their collective faces.

Another thought if he got it through FOIA...those are notoriously slow...thinking that info was fast tracked by those trying the smear
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Got to give him credit for being as open as he can about his sources and making himself available to answer questions about his intent for the article.
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Most people in the govt bureaucracy are pretty low quality.
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Rocagnante said:

Got to give him credit for being as open as he can about his sources and making himself available to answer questions about his intent for the article.


I guess, but man, this dude is coming across as a trolling assh*le on social media. Just gleefully poking the bear, and doesn't seem to be a competent or ethical journalist at all.
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We are dealing with a scared cornered animal here. Good people have been "erased" to insure the cover-up of the reality continued.

hang tight..
"I have been told that we have recovered technology that did not originate on this".-Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence-Chris Mellon

“Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense.” Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.
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TCTTS said:

Rocagnante said:

Got to give him credit for being as open as he can about his sources and making himself available to answer questions about his intent for the article.


I guess, but man, this dude is coming across as a trolling assh*le on social media. Just gleefully poking the bear, and doesn't seem to be a competent or ethical journalist at all.


It confirms on record that some folks in DoD and intelligence community are against Grusch. Before it was just rumored to be occurring in the background, wasn't it? If Grusch was crazy why would they bother to be a source for the article.

I'm in agreement with you this is not having the effect the leaker wanted to discredit Grusch and could very well backfire on them.
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